The TE group overall looked good during drills 

 

 

23 minutes ago, TEW said:

Wentz doesn’t have near the physical tools, and he had double the number of pass attempts to develop.

Non sequitor much?

 

36 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Would you pass on tebow?

Tebow or Hurts? Weren't you the guy saying they were the same player a few months ago? How did that work out? 

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Halaby & Lurie junior 

12 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Tebow or Hurts? Weren't you the guy saying they were the same player a few months ago? How did that work out? 

I would have passed on hurts too

yall will see how you overrate him

35 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Wrong. Not better than Matt Jones.

Jones was over 6'6'' 242lbs and ran 4.38

Richardson is two inches shorter, and ran a 4.43. 

 

Jones matched Richardson's 10 yard split of 1.53

 

Jones had a 39.5'' vert. Richardson had 40.5

Jones had 123'' BJ. Richardson had 129.

Richardson is slightly better at jumping, which doesnt really help a QB.

Richardson did not do any agility drills. Jones had a 4.20 20 yard shuttle.

 

Matt Jones was a better college QB. Richardson needs to change positions.

The jumping drills measure explosive movement and lower body power. It’s hugely important for a guy who will undoubtedly be doing a lot of running.

6’4” is preferable to 6’6” as a QB. 6’5” is basically the hard cutoff — after that there are almost no successful QBs.

And Jones was most certainly not close to the prospect Richardson is. Richardson has elite arm strength and the ability to throw with velocity on the run and from awkward positions. Jones flat out didn’t have an NFL caliber arm. Jones had the same sub 60% completion rate as a 22 year old with 3 years starting and 755 attempts and as Richardson had as a 21 year old with 215 attempts and 1 year starting.

Jones was maxed out as an QB and just didn’t have the arm talent or potential to make it in the NFL as a QB. Richardson is one of the highest upside players in the history of the QB position.

You may not think Richardson will develop, and that’s certainly a possibility, but there is a reason zero NFL teams viewed Jones as a QB prospect and Richardson is universally looked at as one of the highest potential prospects at QB to ever enter the draft.

24 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Non sequitor much?

 

LOL meant Hurts.

My two favorite TEs

 

24 minutes ago, TEW said:

The jumping drills measure explosive movement and lower body power. It’s hugely important for a guy who will undoubtedly be doing a lot of running.

6’4” is preferable to 6’6” as a QB. 6’5” is basically the hard cutoff — after that there are almost no successful QBs.

And Jones was most certainly not close to the prospect Richardson is. Richardson has elite arm strength and the ability to throw with velocity on the run and from awkward positions. Jones flat out didn’t have an NFL caliber arm. Jones had the same sub 60% completion rate as a 22 year old with 3 years starting and 755 attempts and as Richardson had as a 21 year old with 215 attempts and 1 year starting.

Jones was maxed out as an QB and just didn’t have the arm talent or potential to make it in the NFL as a QB. Richardson is one of the highest upside players in the history of the QB position.

You may not think Richardson will develop, and that’s certainly a possibility, but there is a reason zero NFL teams viewed Jones as a QB prospect and Richardson is universally looked at as one of the highest potential prospects at QB to ever enter the draft.

Gross exaggeration given his tape.

physical rarity no doubt. Qb not ao mucb

29 minutes ago, TEW said:

The jumping drills measure explosive movement and lower body power. It’s hugely important for a guy who will undoubtedly be doing a lot of running.

6’4” is preferable to 6’6” as a QB. 6’5” is basically the hard cutoff — after that there are almost no successful QBs.

And Jones was most certainly not close to the prospect Richardson is. Richardson has elite arm strength and the ability to throw with velocity on the run and from awkward positions. Jones flat out didn’t have an NFL caliber arm. Jones had the same sub 60% completion rate as a 22 year old with 3 years starting and 755 attempts and as Richardson had as a 21 year old with 215 attempts and 1 year starting.

Jones was maxed out as an QB and just didn’t have the arm talent or potential to make it in the NFL as a QB. Richardson is one of the highest upside players in the history of the QB position.

You may not think Richardson will develop, and that’s certainly a possibility, but there is a reason zero NFL teams viewed Jones as a QB prospect and Richardson is universally looked at as one of the highest potential prospects at QB to ever enter the draft.

Justin Herbert is 6'6", nick foles super bowl MVP 6'6" im not buying that 6'4" is preferable to 6'6" I'd say there are far more QBs under 6'6" than there are qbs 6'6" and over.

I dont remember much about Matt Jones he dominated in college but yeah he had a scattershot arm, I wouldn't say he lacked arm strength not a cannon but not a noodle biggest thing I remember about him is he had a substance abuse problem that basically ended his career.

Richardson may be a great athlete but if he cant improve his processing and accuracy none of that matters.

Malik Willis last year was supposed to be this great athlete at QB who had a cannon arm, dude gets in the NFL and can't complete a pass, he was awful and now Titans could possibly draft another QB in the first.

Tom Brady was a horrible athlete, he showed up to the combine wearing like docker shorts and Skechers but the dude can read a defense and deliver accurate passes on time.

I dont care if Richardson ran a 4.1 and had a 48 inch vertical and can throw the ball 100 yards on his stomach, if he can't figure out how to read a pro D and accurately deliver passes on time he won't succeed, in college he didn't show he could do those.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Richardson is undraftable at QB. 

How does his workout compare to Matt Jones from back in the day? Seems like back when NFL GMs had some sense theyd be converting Richardson to WR.

Undraftable? In this era of NFL football? No way. 

31 minutes ago, TEW said:

The jumping drills measure explosive movement and lower body power. It’s hugely important for a guy who will undoubtedly be doing a lot of running.

6’4” is preferable to 6’6” as a QB. 6’5” is basically the hard cutoff — after that there are almost no successful QBs.

And Jones was most certainly not close to the prospect Richardson is. Richardson has elite arm strength and the ability to throw with velocity on the run and from awkward positions. Jones flat out didn’t have an NFL caliber arm. Jones had the same sub 60% completion rate as a 22 year old with 3 years starting and 755 attempts and as Richardson had as a 21 year old with 215 attempts and 1 year starting.

Jones was maxed out as an QB and just didn’t have the arm talent or potential to make it in the NFL as a QB. Richardson is one of the highest upside players in the history of the QB position.

You may not think Richardson will develop, and that’s certainly a possibility, but there is a reason zero NFL teams viewed Jones as a QB prospect and Richardson is universally looked at as one of the highest potential prospects at QB to ever enter the draft.

Richardson is not a QB prospect. He should switch positions.

Jones' workout was as good if not better.

2 hours ago, TEW said:

It’s such a projection. One thing to keep in mind is that Richardson has only played 22 games.

Hurts started more games halfway through his sophomore year, and only had a completion rate of about 61% at that point in his career. And that was playing with Alabama’s talent.

Understood, I’m not giving up on him in fact I tend to lean towards his potential in the right circumstance. But there is potential that he’s an epic bust 

5 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Undraftable? In this era of NFL football? No way. 

If you are keeping him at QB, he is an undraftable QB whos physical talent may be worth rolling the dice on in the 6th round while you hope he develops on your practice squad 3 years down the line.

 

Mingo was a  WO he impressed 

39 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I would have passed on hurts too

yall will see how you overrate him

I ask again who is the qb we should go after? 😂😂

Werent you in on the Zach Wilson train

10 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Understood, I’m not giving up on him in fact I tend to lean towards his potential in the right circumstance. But there is potential that he’s an epic bust 

Yup.

He's got way too much potential to not get drafted fairly high.

Malik willis went 3rd round and Richardson is a far better prospect and better athlete.

I could see teams being wary of him though,  look at a guy like fields as well at least was a better passer in college than Richardson.

Maybe fields puts it together like hurts if so he could be a scary QB but I'm not sure about fields, he has more arm talent than hurts but it's just so difficult to project how a guy will turn out 

I wrote hurts off after the Tampa playoff loss he proved me and alot of people wrong and I think alot of GMs will look at Richardson and think they can get a hurts rather than a Malik Willis.

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup.

He's got way too much potential to not get drafted fairly high.

Malik willis went 3rd round and Richardson is a far better prospect and better athlete.

I could see teams being wary of him though, fields at least was a better passer in college than Richardson.

Maybe fields puts it together like hurts if so he could be a scary QB but I'm not sure about fields, he has more arm talent than hurts but it's just so difficult to project how a guy will turn out 

I wrote hurts off after the Tampa playoff loss he proved me and alot of people wrong and I think alot of GMs will look at Richardson and think they can get a hurts rather than a Malik Willis.

Hes a Willis.

Hurts looked good in college.

Willis occasionally looked ok but was plagued with terrible decision making and you knew he didnt have the head for the NFL.

Richardson hasnt been close to looking good as a QB ever.

This was another JustBombs from today. Can we have a Gonzalez, Foskey round 1?

 

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Hes a Willis.

Hurts looked good in college.

Willis occasionally looked ok but was plagued with terrible decision making and you knew he didnt have the head for the NFL.

Richardson hasnt been close to looking good as a QB ever.

Yup, I was reading comments from Florida fans and they couldn't wait for him to leave, as they were just so tired of him.

The dude once went a whole half without completing a pass.

Having said that Gms get enamored with physical ability and thinking they can be the guy that takes this raw Cjay and makes it into something special 

Willis went 3rd round, I think Richardson having better size ,better athlete , better competition will go 2nd round though I wouldn't be surprised if he goes 1st nor would I be surprised if he went in the 5th.

He was just a dreadful passer in college more often than not. Career 54 completion % 🤢

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

This was another JustBombs from today. Can we have a Gonzalez, Foskey round 1?

 

I’ve been pushing for both for a while now

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, I was reading comments from Florida fans and they couldn't wait for him to leave, as they were just so tired of him.

The dude once went a whole half without completing a pass.

Having said that Gms get enamored with physical ability and thinking they can be the guy that takes this raw Cjay and makes it into something special 

Willis went 3rd round, I think Richardson having better size ,better athlete , better competition will go 2nd round though I wouldn't be surprised if he goes 1st nor would I be surprised if he went in the 5th.

He was just a dreadful passer in college more often than not.

GMs have to calm down.

Willis benefitted from the insane Josh Allen performance in last year's playoffs.

I said at the time, Allen was suddenly being drastically overrated and he has always been inconsistent, and worse- has always made stupid plays in big games that cost his team. People laughed. And then Allen took a step back and looked like how I said he always looked. He has had one amazing year.

Willis was not a legit QB prospect. He generated 1st round buzz which was absolutely ridiculous. And still got over-drafted.

We are now over a year removed from the Allen performance. And now another non-QB athlete is getting 1st round buzz to play QB in the NFL. This is idiotic.

They need to stop chasing fads and think with their heads. Anyone thinking Richardson is a 1st round QB prospect has no business scouting players in the NFL. There is no talent or knowledge involved. Its not even an evaluation. Its a complete projection based on nothing but athleticism. Anyone can do that (and look stupid). It doesnt take a trained scout to do it. And if a trained scout is doing it he should be fired.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

GMs have to calm down.

Willis benefitted from the insane Josh Allen performance in last year's playoffs.

I said at the time, Allen was suddenly being drastically overrated and he has always been inconsistent, and worse- has always made stupid plays in big games that cost his team. People laughed. And then Allen took a step back and looked like how I said he always looked. He has had one amazing year.

Willis was not a legit QB prospect. He generated 1st round buzz which was absolutely ridiculous. And still got over-drafted.

We are now over a year removed from the Allen performance. And now another non-QB athlete is getting 1st round buzz to play QB in the NFL. This is idiotic.

They need to stop chasing fads and think with their heads. Anyone thinking Richardson is a 1st round QB prospect has no business scouting players in the NFL. There is no talent or knowledge involved. Its not even an evaluation. Its a complete projection based on nothing but athleticism. Anyone can do that (and look stupid). It doesnt take a trained scout to do it. And if a trained scout is doing it he should be fired.

Yup.

I was shocked when people started making mocks with Richardson In the top ten and I thought did I miss something, did this dude somehow figure out how to play QB between the time the season ended and the combine🤔

As for josh Allen he was pretty inconsistent in college and inaccurate I was surprised he was drafted in the 1st but one could do a lot worse than josh Allen as a QB.