Maybe it’s the Jalen Hurts effect on this years crop of qbs? Ya love to see (other teams foolishly try) it!

25 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

GMs have to calm down.

Willis benefitted from the insane Josh Allen performance in last year's playoffs.

I said at the time, Allen was suddenly being drastically overrated and he has always been inconsistent, and worse- has always made stupid plays in big games that cost his team. People laughed. And then Allen took a step back and looked like how I said he always looked. He has had one amazing year.

Willis was not a legit QB prospect. He generated 1st round buzz which was absolutely ridiculous. And still got over-drafted.

We are now over a year removed from the Allen performance. And now another non-QB athlete is getting 1st round buzz to play QB in the NFL. This is idiotic.

They need to stop chasing fads and think with their heads. Anyone thinking Richardson is a 1st round QB prospect has no business scouting players in the NFL. There is no talent or knowledge involved. Its not even an evaluation. Its a complete projection based on nothing but athleticism. Anyone can do that (and look stupid). It doesnt take a trained scout to do it. And if a trained scout is doing it he should be fired.

Yup. Fields was miles ahead in terms of development and he still struggled mightily this year. His elite athleticism carried them to a whopping 3 wins. Richardson is the type of QB you take a flyer on and hope he can start by the end of his rookie contract.

31 minutes ago, bitbased said:

Yup. Fields was miles ahead in terms of development and he still struggled mightily this year. His elite athleticism carried them to a whopping 3 wins. Richardson is the type of QB you take a flyer on and hope he can start by the end of his rookie contract.

Let’s be realistic.  What kind of player quality did the Bears surround Fields with?

With the damn near miraculous development of Allen and Hurts as elite passers, there is legitimate optimism in the league that QB coaching has reached the point where a raw prospect can be developed by leaps and bounds.

I personally am skeptical. Even though Hurts and Allen both developed within a year or two between them, I think they are outliers. With that said, if a team can develop Richardson in the same mold as them, then the coaching in the league really has taken a quantum leap, and then taking a raw high ceiling QB becomes the new norm.

I see Bobo didn't with out. But he was 6'4" with 10" hands. This mits show up on tape. It's impossible for him to not catch the ball. 

Without many/any? blue chippers at WR in this draft I'm still aboard the Demus train.

 

4.57 isn't horrible at his size,  and after injury I really suspect he is capable of better.  He's a fast long strider on tape, running away from guys as a deep threat.

6'3" with long arms and 10/34 " hands.

When you lack blue chip prospects,  take the guy with prototype size and attributes and injury history.  He has major boom potential in mid-late rounds.

Mingo is really intriguing. Hard not to make AJ Brown comparison. 

If you want to be a tough physical team like the 9ers another WR in that mold along with some big RBs added makes us not only a dangerous offense but one that really bullies you. 

The kind of team that beats you this week,  and causes you to lose next week as well. 

Dorian Thompson-Robinson has the best ball velocity.  62mph.

Levi's got how for his 59. Richardson hit 60.

8 hours ago, TEW said:

I brought up the possibility of taking him at 30 during the season. Obviously that’s not happening now, but if some Uber athlete QB is available outside the top 20 I’d be really tempted.

dorian thompson-robinson ucla.   1.51 10 split. Hurts had a 1.60 10 split, so better electric than Hurts.  https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dorian-thompson-robinson/32005448-4f74-4868-ca39-079204531939 

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Let’s be realistic.  What kind of player quality did the Bears surround Fields with?

I mean, that's kind of the reasoning behind not taking Richardson high. Any of the QB needy teams in the Top 10 are likely to be a poor destination for him.

3 hours ago, TEW said:

The jumping drills measure explosive movement and lower body power. It’s hugely important for a guy who will undoubtedly be doing a lot of running.

6’4” is preferable to 6’6” as a QB. 6’5” is basically the hard cutoff — after that there are almost no successful QBs.

And Jones was most certainly not close to the prospect Richardson is. Richardson has elite arm strength and the ability to throw with velocity on the run and from awkward positions. Jones flat out didn’t have an NFL caliber arm. Jones had the same sub 60% completion rate as a 22 year old with 3 years starting and 755 attempts and as Richardson had as a 21 year old with 215 attempts and 1 year starting.

Jones was maxed out as an QB and just didn’t have the arm talent or potential to make it in the NFL as a QB. Richardson is one of the highest upside players in the history of the QB position.

You may not think Richardson will develop, and that’s certainly a possibility, but there is a reason zero NFL teams viewed Jones as a QB prospect and Richardson is universally looked at as one of the highest potential prospects at QB to ever enter the draft.

I assume Richardson will go at 1 overall.

3 hours ago, Utebird said:

Justin Herbert is 6'6", nick foles super bowl MVP 6'6" im not buying that 6'4" is preferable to 6'6" I'd say there are far more QBs under 6'6" than there are qbs 6'6" and over.

I dont remember much about Matt Jones he dominated in college but yeah he had a scattershot arm, I wouldn't say he lacked arm strength not a cannon but not a noodle biggest thing I remember about him is he had a substance abuse problem that basically ended his career.

Richardson may be a great athlete but if he cant improve his processing and accuracy none of that matters.

Malik Willis last year was supposed to be this great athlete at QB who had a cannon arm, dude gets in the NFL and can't complete a pass, he was awful and now Titans could possibly draft another QB in the first.

Tom Brady was a horrible athlete, he showed up to the combine wearing like docker shorts and Skechers but the dude can read a defense and deliver accurate passes on time.

I dont care if Richardson ran a 4.1 and had a 48 inch vertical and can throw the ball 100 yards on his stomach, if he can't figure out how to read a pro D and accurately deliver passes on time he won't succeed, in college he didn't show he could do those.

Nick Foles is 6’5” not 6’6”. Literally measured 6050 at the combine.

https://draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=78428&DraftYear=2012

Yes, there are far more QBs who are 6’4” than 6’6”. There is a reason for that. QBs are among the highest paid pro athletes in the world. If taller meant better we’d see more 6’6” QBs. Instead they end up playing on the OL and DL.

Matt Jones was literally a sub 60% passer. He had a very weak arm. And he was a sub 60% passer after 3 straight years starting. He just wasn’t an NFL caliber QB. Didn’t have the arm. It’s that simple.

Richardson on the other hand has a howitzer and he actually flashes accuracy and touch which Jones never did. Richardson has terrible mechanics. He needs work. Everyone understands this.

But he’s in another dimension from Jones as far as his QB potential. His potential as a prospect is akin to Mike Vick or Cam Newton. It’s among the highest ever. That doesn’t guarantee he won’t bust, but again, there is a reason he’s a sure fire first round pick and Jones was forced to switch positions before the combine. It’s not just because of his combine either. He does some incredible things on the football field. The dude busts of 40+ yard TD runs and can launch bombs. The bet is that you can coach him up to be more consistent. 

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

I assume Richardson will go at 1 overall.

I’m not sure if he goes #1, but he’s a lock in the top half of the first round. Won’t shock me if he does go #1 though.

3 hours ago, Allhaildawk said:

Understood, I’m not giving up on him in fact I tend to lean towards his potential in the right circumstance. But there is potential that he’s an epic bust 

Yeah, definitely a lot of risk. But he does have a pretty solid floor with his athleticism.

3 hours ago, Utebird said:

Yup.

He's got way too much potential to not get drafted fairly high.

Malik willis went 3rd round and Richardson is a far better prospect and better athlete.

I could see teams being wary of him though,  look at a guy like fields as well at least was a better passer in college than Richardson.

Maybe fields puts it together like hurts if so he could be a scary QB but I'm not sure about fields, he has more arm talent than hurts but it's just so difficult to project how a guy will turn out 

I wrote hurts off after the Tampa playoff loss he proved me and alot of people wrong and I think alot of GMs will look at Richardson and think they can get a hurts rather than a Malik Willis.

The way I would look at Richardson is that I wouldn’t trade up for him, but if he drops to me and I like his interviews/background checks, then I’d take him.

I don’t want to mortgage multiple firsts in him and potentially cripple a team for half a decade, but if he drops into my lap and the background stuff checks out I don’t know how you pass on that kind of upside.

1 hour ago, bitbased said:

I mean, that's kind of the reasoning behind not taking Richardson high. Any of the QB needy teams in the Top 10 are likely to be a poor destination for him.

That’s actually part of the beauty of taking him. Everyone understands that he’s not going to start right away, so you’re going to have 2 off seasons (2023 and 2024) to put an offense around him.

14 minutes ago, TEW said:

Yeah, definitely a lot of risk. But he does have a pretty solid floor with his athleticism.

I think a lot will come down to his work ethic and ability to take responsibility for his own development. If I was confident he was a first in last out guy, drive to succeed, etc. it might be some comfort. 

5 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

With the damn near miraculous development of Allen and Hurts as elite passers, there is legitimate optimism in the league that QB coaching has reached the point where a raw prospect can be developed by leaps and bounds.

I personally am skeptical. Even though Hurts and Allen both developed within a year or two between them, I think they are outliers. With that said, if a team can develop Richardson in the same mold as them, then the coaching in the league really has taken a quantum leap, and then taking a raw high ceiling QB becomes the new norm.

My gut feeling is that offenses have evolved to fit different skillsets of qbs, so it’s no longer crucial to look for one type of qb. The 49ers clearly have an offense any qb can run, and it's not like they are the only team who can run it. 

I have to say... I know the SB was 3 weeks ago now but I still feel flat about it. I still can't quite get excited about football even with the combine this weekend. 

37 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I have to say... I know the SB was 3 weeks ago now but I still feel flat about it. I still can't quite get excited about football even with the combine this weekend. 

I don't think I'll get excited again until Game 1 of the '23 season.  And even then, I'm going in with the thought that the Eagles will be a competitive team, probably a playoff team yet realistically, this is a year to clear out dead cap space and '24 is going to be when we go after the Super Bowl again.  Too many new faces this year on the coaching staff and players.

5 hours ago, TEW said:

Nick Foles is 6’5” not 6’6”. Literally measured 6050 at the combine.

https://draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=78428&DraftYear=2012

Yes, there are far more QBs who are 6’4” than 6’6”. There is a reason for that. QBs are among the highest paid pro athletes in the world. If taller meant better we’d see more 6’6” QBs. Instead they end up playing on the OL and DL.

Matt Jones was literally a sub 60% passer. He had a very weak arm. And he was a sub 60% passer after 3 straight years starting. He just wasn’t an NFL caliber QB. Didn’t have the arm. It’s that simple.

Richardson on the other hand has a howitzer and he actually flashes accuracy and touch which Jones never did. Richardson has terrible mechanics. He needs work. Everyone understands this.

But he’s in another dimension from Jones as far as his QB potential. His potential as a prospect is akin to Mike Vick or Cam Newton. It’s among the highest ever. That doesn’t guarantee he won’t bust, but again, there is a reason he’s a sure fire first round pick and Jones was forced to switch positions before the combine. It’s not just because of his combine either. He does some incredible things on the football field. The dude busts of 40+ yard TD runs and can launch bombs. The bet is that you can coach him up to be more consistent. 

Big hyperbole. Yowsa.

5 hours ago, TEW said:

Yeah, definitely a lot of risk. But he does have a pretty solid floor with his athleticism.

A strong arm doesn't mean he has potential as a QB.

6 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

I assume Richardson will go at 1 overall.

CJ Stroud is the best QB in this draft. People need to stop watching the combine and jump players up just based off of it. Watch the film, the dude might be athletic but is light years away from a CJ Stroud, Bryce Young and Will Levis for being a starting QB in this league. 

Will he go top 10? More then likely yes, should he go top 10? No

 

7 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Without many/any? blue chippers at WR in this draft I'm still aboard the Demus train.

 

4.57 isn't horrible at his size,  and after injury I really suspect he is capable of better.  He's a fast long strider on tape, running away from guys as a deep threat.

6'3" with long arms and 10/34 " hands.

When you lack blue chip prospects,  take the guy with prototype size and attributes and injury history.  He has major boom potential in mid-late rounds.

Agreed, too many look at the 40 time and put that as the top metric in a WR. Some of the best WRs in the league ran in the 4.4-4.5 range. Give me a great route runner with great hands all day long over speed. Now if that player has my metrics and has the speed, its a bonus.

8 hours ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

Maybe it’s the Jalen Hurts effect on this years crop of qbs? Ya love to see (other teams foolishly try) it!

I love Jalen's leadership and work ethic. I like this running option but he has a long ways to go still. However, It took Howie getting 2 stud WRs for Hurts to improve which makes sense for any QB unless your name is Mahomes. I would say the Jalen Hurts effect has a lot of asterisks next to it. Any team that uses Hurts as an example for someone like Richardson might not have a job in the next 2 years. Will they have 2 stud WRs, a stud TE, very good running game, one of the top OL in the league? Lets not forget the talent on the D side of the field we had this year. Now Im sure everyone will say I bashing Hurts, no I give him a lot of credit this year. But lets be honest the team around played a major role in his success which might not be the case in the next few years. 

Now the top 3 QBs you could take that chance on but like Hurts you need that full team around them. Its still why I never agree to giving a QB the kind of money they are getting. You take away the ability to build that team around them like we did this year.