16 hours ago, RLC said:

Getting 4 QBs solidified in the top 10 is great for us. 
One of Skonronski/Anderson/Carter/Gonzalez/Wilson/Witherspoon will be there at 10. 

Carter, Anderson and Wilson would be a slam dunk. Im still not sold on Gonzo or Witherspoon in the top 10. I don't see either as NFL ready as the last two years draft classes at CB that went in the top 10. Since this class is deep at CB, If the first three are not there I see Howie trading back. 

16 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

Not sure about Carter anymore. He could drop out with his situation. Hopefully one OT can go, at least. 

We can only hope. Carter anywhere near 7-10 would be a dream situation for Howie to make a move to get him. He is the best player in this draft. Landing him would have me seeing the spooky ghost. 

The real question that impacts the entire draft is if there will be a player the Eagles like so much that forces them to draft him at #10.

Safe to say they aren’t trading UP from 10…and will almost certainly be looking for a lopsided deal to trade down.

If one of those qbs makes it to 10, maybe that presents that lopsided deal.  
 

So the real question is what players would force you, or force Howie, to actually use that pick at 10….

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The real question that impacts the entire draft is if there will be a player the Eagles like so much that forces them to draft him at #10.

Safe to say they aren’t trading UP from 10…and will almost certainly be looking for a lopsided deal to trade down.

If one of those qbs makes it to 10, maybe that presents that lopsided deal.  
 

So the real question is what players would force you, or force Howie, to actually use that pick at 10….

None, there are no players that are MUST have players at 10. This team needs young talent to fill holes, be it a starter or a reserve role that is being vacated by someone who is now starting.  If Dean is now a starter, someone has to fill his 75% of ST snaps played.  If Davis is starting, they need DT3/4 and so on.  This team needs volume and talent.

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The real question that impacts the entire draft is if there will be a player the Eagles like so much that forces them to draft him at #10.

Safe to say they aren’t trading UP from 10…and will almost certainly be looking for a lopsided deal to trade down.

If one of those qbs makes it to 10, maybe that presents that lopsided deal.  
 

So the real question is what players would force you, or force Howie, to actually use that pick at 10….

Well isn't that always the case each draft? Just like you always see a player go in the top 10 that makes you say "really"? 

Problem is it takes two to tango for a trade. As I said If Carter, Anderson or Wilson are not there then I see Howie trying to trade back. Question is will there be a buyer at the price Howie will want? A lot of teams on alert after seeing what happened to teams that have jumped up and pay the price. Most did not have success from doing it. I will say Howie is the best at talking teams into those deals though. 

22 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

So the real question is what players would force you, or force Howie, to actually use that pick at 10….

Gonzalez without question. 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Gonzalez without question. 

He's an impressive player but is one Christian Gonzalez better than a Kelee RIngo, Deonte Banks, Julius Brents, Emmanuel Forbes, Riley Moss or several other tier 2 CB plus a few more draft picks to help build the team?

Assuming there's a trade partner, you could trade down from 10, get those mid round picks, and still draft a Van Ness, Kancey, Nolan Smith in the teens and then get that CB either at 30 or in the 2nd plus the extra picks. 

29 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The real question that impacts the entire draft is if there will be a player the Eagles like so much that forces them to draft him at #10.

Safe to say they aren’t trading UP from 10…and will almost certainly be looking for a lopsided deal to trade down.

If one of those qbs makes it to 10, maybe that presents that lopsided deal.  
 

So the real question is what players would force you, or force Howie, to actually use that pick at 10….

 

I don't see why it would be safe to say they aren't trading up at all.  If QBs make a player they love drop into a trade up range then I definitely see a scenario where the Eagles move up a few picks to get someone. Likewise I absolutely see a scenario of them staying at 10.  The least likely scenario to me is a trade back from 10 and that only happens if there isn't a run on Qbs prior to their pick.

It's the 30th pick I don't see them using at all to actually draft a player there.  Whether it's used as a package in their trade up at 10 or they stay at 10 and use that 30th pick to trade down and pick up more picks.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He's an impressive player but is one Christian Gonzalez better than a Kelee RIngo, Deonte Banks, Julius Brents, Emmanuel Forbes, Riley Moss or several other tier 2 CB plus a few more draft picks to help build the team?

Assuming there's a trade partner, you could trade down from 10, get those mid round picks, and still draft a Van Ness, Kancey, Nolan Smith in the teens and then get that CB either at 30 or in the 2nd plus the extra picks. 

Normally you post a lot of moronic comments. I will say this is one of the times you make sense. 

On defense we need top end talent and not necessarily depth.  If we do move back from 10, which would probably disappoint me anyway, I hope its only a few spots.

 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

That is a lot of OL and RBs

With Anthony Richardson having such a great combine and showing how great of an athlete he is, why didn’t any of that translate on the field at Florida? It’s not like he was at some tier 2 college, he was at a big time program in the SEC. Some are comparing him to Josh Allen or Mike Vick, both didn’t play at big college programs or have the amount of talent that Florida has. Only 3 games Florida played last year did they have more passing attempts than throws. Richardson might be an incredible athlete, but why has that not translated to the field? And why would it translate better in the NFL?

6 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

With Anthony Richardson having such a great combine and showing how great of an athlete he is, why didn’t any of that translate on the field at Florida? It’s not like he was at some tier 2 college, he was at a big time program in the SEC. Some are comparing him to Josh Allen or Mike Vick, both didn’t play at big college programs or have the amount of talent that Florida has. Only 3 games Florida played last year did they have more passing attempts than throws. Richardson might be an incredible athlete, but why has that not translated to the field? And why would it translate better in the NFL?

Those comparing him to Vick is a joke. Allen maybe but took Bills to get Allen a lot of help on the field talent wise and a top OC. Cam Newton would be another comp and I always felt he was not good. But you are 100% correct, the combine doesn't move the needle for me on Richardson. Too many times these combine champions under achieve. Richardson has a high chance see being next on that list. 

11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

On defense we need top end talent and not necessarily depth.  If we do move back from 10, which would probably disappoint me anyway, I hope its only a few spots.

 

I don't see it.  Howie doesn't move back when he's that high up in the draft.  He stays or tries to move up.  You only move back if they are out of the range of guys they have e on their board as first round talent.  

People talking about needing volume not quality, but that's clearly what they are aiming to do next year with the comp picks They are going for.  Now is taking advantage of having this 10th overall pick to use it to get a blue chip talent either at 10 or trading up from 10.  Rest of the spots (like special teams replacement for Dean? Really?) Will be done the same way Howie always builds out the rest of a roster with cheap one year deals on under the radar guys.

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I didn't realize there were 2 Byron Youngs

 

20 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I don't see why it would be safe to say they aren't trading up at all.  If QBs make a player they love drop into a trade up range then I definitely see a scenario where the Eagles move up a few picks to get someone. Likewise I absolutely see a scenario of them staying at 10.  The least likely scenario to me is a trade back from 10 and that only happens if there isn't a run on Qbs prior to their pick.

It's the 30th pick I don't see them using at all to actually draft a player there.  Whether it's used as a package in their trade up at 10 or they stay at 10 and use that 30th pick to trade down and pick up more picks.

There’s a massive gap in draft resources the Eagles have. They have pick 94 then don’t pick again until 221. Howie is almost guaranteed to trade down rather than up.  Only 4 picks before 221 and the amount of holes they need to fill on defense is far more than that, plus the limited cap space to plug with FAs.

Unless there is a blue chip player (Anderson, Carter, Gonzalez) that fell to 10, I see them more likely to trade back into the teens and pick up a few more picks for this year. I don’t see a scenario where they trade up from 10. 

 

 

We generally draft defensive players that have minimal impact in rounds 1 and 2.

If there is a player (not saying Gonzalez is or isn't that player) who is about BPA, at a position of need, and is a better prospect than an also great prospect at the same position...take the better prospect and forget about the pocket change draft picks.  Let's not risk a first round disappointment by getting cute.

29 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He's an impressive player but is one Christian Gonzalez better than a Kelee RIngo, Deonte Banks, Julius Brents, Emmanuel Forbes, Riley Moss or several other tier 2 CB plus a few more draft picks to help build the team?

Assuming there's a trade partner, you could trade down from 10, get those mid round picks, and still draft a Van Ness, Kancey, Nolan Smith in the teens and then get that CB either at 30 or in the 2nd plus the extra picks. 

Gonzalez is the only truly elite CB in this class IMO. We have a glaring hole at CB2. Our CB1 is over 30. Gonzalez can transform the long-term outlook of our secondary.

If he's not there? Sure, trade down.

There's always a team willing to trade up. We might not get full value 

16 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

With Anthony Richardson having such a great combine and showing how great of an athlete he is, why didn’t any of that translate on the field at Florida? It’s not like he was at some tier 2 college, he was at a big time program in the SEC. Some are comparing him to Josh Allen or Mike Vick, both didn’t play at big college programs or have the amount of talent that Florida has. Only 3 games Florida played last year did they have more passing attempts than throws. Richardson might be an incredible athlete, but why has that not translated to the field? And why would it translate better in the NFL?

Big time arm, big time mobility and throws adequately into big windows… I can see NFL teams *thinking* they can make those parameters work.  Unfortunately, the league has a very short attention span in terms of developing QBs…

Skit that Jason Kelce was in.  Spoiler, it wasn't good just like the rest of SNL.

 

 

21 minutes ago, RLC said:

Gonzalez without question. 

That's who I'm going with too. Wilson is the other but I expect him gone before 10. Definitely hoping an OT or even 2 go. If not it will be a tough spot if we don't have any trade back options. I wish I liked Porter more really. I like Cam Smith, Branch a lot but not at 10. I guess Nolan Smith could be an option there and Myles Murphy. Could go OT Broderick Jones and stick him at RG. If Isaac is out that's a spot that must be addressed. Jurgens is small, I really don't want to stick him in at OG and to keep the high level of play in the trenches I'm not going Driscoll, there. He's a back up. 

 

8 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Those comparing him to Vick is a joke. Allen maybe but took Bills to get Allen a lot of help on the field talent wise and a top OC. Cam Newton would be another comp and I always felt he was not good. But you are 100% correct, the combine doesn't move the needle for me on Richardson. Too many times these combine champions under achieve. Richardson has a high chance see being next on that list. 

I even think the cam newton comparison is bad. Richardson has 6 more total career TDs than Newton threw in his 2010 year. Newton threw 30 TDs and Richardson has a career total of 36 TDs. Newton also ran for an additional 20 TDs, that’s just insane. 
 

Richardson was expected to have an amazing combine. Any scouting department isn’t going to move him much on their board if at all because of his combine performance. If anything it would have been disappointing for Richardson to not have done so well. 
 

 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Skit that Jason Kelce was in.  Spoiler, it wasn't good just like the rest of SNL.

 

 

Spoiler: Jason kelce comes in at  3:20. Do NOT watch the rest of this skit. It is godawful. 

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We generally draft defensive players that have minimal impact in rounds 1 and 2.

If there is a player (not saying Gonzalez is or isn't that player) who is about BPA, at a position of need, and is a better prospect than an also great prospect at the same position...take the better prospect and forget about the pocket change draft picks.  Let's not risk a first round disappointment by getting cute.

Agreed. I'm having Marcus Smith flashbacks...