10 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think it makes them a playoff team. Which is I guess progress. However you still have the long term issue of winning a SB and it’s not really any closer with carr. So basically in a purgatory of being wild card playoff team 

carr sucks.  was the Raiders QB non stop for close to 10 years, with no playoff wins.  One playoff start.  Mostly losing seasons.

11 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

R Johnson will be a better pro than college player

the other running back in college for him is Bijan.   Whatever NFL team Roschon joins probably won't have a RB better than Bijan. 

11 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Charbonnet with 4.56

Gibbs with 4.40

Achane with 4.34

The Eagles are losing 2 RBs probably, right?  Sanders and Scott.

The Eagles could take 2 new RBs in the draft.  Maybe a big one and a small one.

For the big one,  I like Roschon Johnson the most.  Very Hurts like.  Height, weight, speed, high school running QB - both the same. 

Achane is a good choice for the small one.  They changed his 40 time to 4.32.  with a 10 split of 1.51.  In college he returned 2 kicks for TDs.  Watching the youtubes, you can see him running by dbs.   That 4.32 does show up.  Very fast RB,  the fastest player on offense, can return kicks for TDs.  In theory, the great speed could also be used in a slot role.  There's also another option for the small role, Keaton Mitchell, East Carolina.  He ran 4.37.  Mitchell has better jumps, Achane is faster. 

RAS - Achane v Mitchell

https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23226&p2=16027&pos=RB

7 hours ago, TEW said:

Supposedly Howie was ready to take CMC in the top half of the first round if he didn’t go to Carolina.

That’s my thinking with Gibbs… similar type of player in their pass catching ability, and pick 30 wouldn’t be as big of an investment.

Something to consider about the 5th year option is that if you hit big on a RB, it’s an extra year of his talent before you have to pay him or let him walk.

I’d also remind people that Howie paid McCoy a big time 2nd contract. If the guy is good enough, we will pay them. It’s just that Sanders isn’t special in any way.

But we dont really throw to the rb anymore

Lol

Allen Robinson for 2-3M sounds good. Guessing the Rams won't pay more than half. 

53 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

But we dont really throw to the rb anymore

We didn't really have backs that excel in that area. Gainwell is ok there but Sanders was our main guy and he regressed in that department. 

12 hours ago, TEW said:

But Richardson is the opposite of getting to the point of "you are what you are.” He’s a red shirt sophomore who only has 215 career passing attempts. That’s less than most CFB QBs have in a single season.

If Richardson was a 24 year old RS senior with 1000+ attempts in college I’d agree that he probably is what he is.

Jalen Hurts played a lot in college, played well, his teams did well.  And everyone is remarking about how much he improved.  

Anthony Richardson has perfect size for QB, and a perfect 10 RAS.  Freakbeast at the QB spot.  Hurts doesn't have those numbers.  Hurts has great numbers and we can see how Hurts general and specific run ability leads to wins.  Richardson has more.  Richardson can crank out long TD runs because fast.  4.43.  Fields also runs the long TDs, 4.46.   Hurts doesn't really,  4.59,  Lamar doesn't either, his 40 is ???   The really fast QBs like Richardson, Fields, RGIII, Pryor can outrun dbs way downfield and get tds. 

If you think, as I do, that running QBs are best, you want them when you can get them, and when there's a 10/10 RAS like Anthony Richardson,  you're going to want that.  Get the best QB at running ever and have him run the most ever, and win. 

The Ravens were 4-5 in 2018.  Lamar was on the team,  Flacco was the starter, and then they put Lamar in as starter,  had Lamar run 26 times in this first game as starter,  new NFL record,  the Ravens win,  they're 6-1 with Lamar, finish 10-6 and go to the playoffs.   Lamar's passer rating was somewhere in the 80s, 84.5, and his completion percentage was 58.2.   The next year his passer rating went to 113.3  and completion percent to 66.1.    In college, Lamar's completion percentage was 57.0.   QBs who are great at running win when they run a lot. 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Allen Robinson for 2-3M sounds good. Guessing the Rams won't pay more than half. 

I wouldn't want him for free. He looked completely washed and non-motivated last year right out of the gate. No thanks. I'd rather Zach Pascal back over Robinson. 

35 minutes ago, RLC said:

Allen Robinson for 2-3M sounds good. Guessing the Rams won't pay more than half. 

Eh I don’t really like Robinson paired with Smith and Brown. Also don’t understand how he underperformed so bad in McVay’s offense 

8 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

If CJGJ & Epps both walk, god forbid, wonder what the likelihood of Eagles targeting Anotion Johnson from A&M is.

Kempski has made it seem like he doesn’t think CJGJ will be back

Prefer someone like Sydney Brown or Daniel Scott in later rounds.

9 hours ago, TEW said:

Supposedly Howie was ready to take CMC in the top half of the first round if he didn’t go to Carolina.

That’s my thinking with Gibbs… similar type of player in their pass catching ability, and pick 30 wouldn’t be as big of an investment.

Something to consider about the 5th year option is that if you hit big on a RB, it’s an extra year of his talent before you have to pay him or let him walk.

I’d also remind people that Howie paid McCoy a big time 2nd contract. If the guy is good enough, we will pay them. It’s just that Sanders isn’t special in any way.

Dalvin Cook too.

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the Eagles add a RB in free agency, or even after the original FA period.  RB and LB are the economy bin positions that Howie could add without messing up the comp picks too much.  
 

Adding a RB to pair with Gainwell before the draft would minimize a need at the position, and free the Eagles up to take a RB they want, not need.

Gaskin is a great option to replace Scott. Gaskin offers everything Scott does with the addition of a little more power behind his pads.

The Eagles spent a 2nd rounder on Sanders, so it's not out of the realm of normality that they do it again, especially with not a lot of depth there.  Do I think they will do it?  Nah.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

But we dont really throw to the rb anymore

I’m pretty sure if we had Gibbs that we would.

The fact is we don’t have a RB worth throwing to. Gibbs changes that, which is exactly why he’s one of the few RBs in the top 100 I’d look at. He’d add so much to this offense.

He can run the whole WR route tree, win separation, and then catch the ball. People make Kamara comparisons, but he seems more like Marshall Faulk to me. Obviously not saying he’ll be as good, but physically and skill wise he’s much closer to Faulk than Kamara. Same size, speed, and receiving ability. 

He’s also really, really good at bursting through the middle as a RB for big gains. He does need coaching to help him trust his blocking schemes more, but when he does, the guy goes from the backfield to the safety as fast as anyone I’ve ever seen. And of course his speed on sweeps, off tackle runs, screens, etc is elite. His open field moves are elite.

At 30 he’d make me think hard. With a trade down to around 45, I have a hard time thinking a better player would be available.

10 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

The Eagles spent a 2nd rounder on Sanders, so it's not out of the realm of normality that they do it again, especially with not a lot of depth there.  Do I think they will do it?  Nah.

Chase Brown is worth an early second. Charbonnet too. If either is still there.... But I doubt they will be.

By the way, a 5th year option for a RB is a great thing.

You dont want to give them 2nd contracts because youre afraid of what theyll be able to do for you in year 6, 7, 8... So you end up not having them in year 5 either. Most of them are still going to be highly productive in year 5.

12 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I guess maybe Chase Brown is not going to be slept on after today. 

Quite the opposite after the $$$ he earned at the combine

2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

But we dont really throw to the rb anymore

I agree - schematically the ubiquitous playaction off RPO doesn’t lend itself to mixing in the RB into the passing game; Hurts typically runs rather than risking checkdowns; and Gainwell was very much a receiving threat coming out of college that fit in well with what Nick was doing in Indy (but has been used sparingly, if at all, in that role).
 

But I’m fine with the offense evolving…

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

By the way, a 5th year option for a RB is a great thing.

You dont want to give them 2nd contracts because youre afraid of what theyll be able to do for you in year 6, 7, 8... So you end up not having them in year 5 either. Most of them are still going to be highly productive in year 5.

Exactly. A tag year if necessary after and you have him for the lions share of his career. Not the most kind thing to do to an RB but it’s the reality 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Chase Brown is worth an early second. Charbonnet too. If either is still there.... But I doubt they will be.

In terms of contract and cost control, it makes sense to draft a RB highly; one who will be a complement to Gainwell.Much more sense than spending a high pick on a WR

3 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Exactly. A tag year if necessary after and you have him for the lions share of his career. Not the most kind thing to do to an RB but it’s the reality 

I’m not sure drafting a position that you already have no intention of signing to a long term contract is a great use of a first-round pick unless that player is elite. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I’m not sure drafting a position that you already have no intention of signing to a long term contract is a great use of a first-round pick unless that player is elite. 

The RB youd draft in round 1 would have to be elite or else youre not considering it in round 1.

Is this chap Carson Wentz's countryside relation that he doesn't talk about?

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not sure drafting a position that you already have no intention of signing to a long term contract is a great use of a first-round pick unless that player is elite. 

1) Second contract is irrelevant. It’s a different opportunity cost.

2) Who says we have no intention of re-signing a RB? We paid both Westbrook and McCoy. If they’re special players, we will pay them.