Just now, Alphagrand said:

This is true.  The Falcons, however, had a porous defense when they decided to pass on Micah Parsons as well.

Very true, but they also had a terrible offense as well.  Pitts was seen as a generational talent and if they knew that was their last go-around with Matt Ryan, they needed something to work with a year or two down the line. 

Pitts could still wind up being that level of player if they can get a decent QB in there.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I know others are against keeping Hargrave, but a couple things. It's all about the years and contract structure. Don't put too much into basic numbers like "20m per year."

But also, I know Howie has been preaching "We don't draft for need anymore" but everyone drafts for need. If the BPA at 10 was QB or WR, the Eagles would not take them.

They're obsessed with drafting DL and if Hargrave goes, you know they're going to be locked in on DT in round 1, and short of Carter falling to 10, there's not a lot of stud DTs in this class. Which trading down for a lesser player at DT or taking one at 10 instead of going OL or CB scares the hell out of me. If Hargrave stays, won't have to worry about them screwing that up this year and just going best available defensive player at 10.

Was Hargrave slated to be a stud when he was drafted?  He was a 3rd round pick.  I'm not paying a guy who's 30 years old and looking to get $20 million just because there's no sure thing in the draft (not that there ever is).  

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

The Titans are wearing throwback Oilers uniforms this year.

Elite!

Titans aren’t the Oilers.  That was one year in Memphis. Calling a Tennessee team the Oilers makes as much sense as the LA Lakers or the Utah Jazz.   Adams family needs to give up the Oilers retro to the Texans. 

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I know others are against keeping Hargrave, but a couple things. It's all about the years and contract structure. Don't put too much into basic numbers like "20m per year."

But also, I know Howie has been preaching "We don't draft for need anymore" but everyone drafts for need. If the BPA at 10 was QB or WR, the Eagles would not take them.

They're obsessed with drafting DL and if Hargrave goes, you know they're going to be locked in on DT in round 1, and short of Carter falling to 10, there's not a lot of stud DTs in this class. Which trading down for a lesser player at DT or taking one at 10 instead of going OL or CB scares the hell out of me. If Hargrave stays, won't have to worry about them screwing that up this year and just going best available defensive player at 10.

Is it possible to sign Hurts, Hargrave, and CJGJ?

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Was Hargrave slated to be a stud when he was drafted?  He was a 3rd round pick.  I'm not paying a guy who's 30 years old and looking to get $20 million just because there's no sure thing in the draft (not that there ever is).  

You sign him because he's one of the team's best players and one of the best DTs in the NFL. The draft stuff is just a secondary benefit.

The Eagles are going through major post Super Bowl changes with players and coaches. The good news is.... they should have enough good players and coaches to at least compete. SHOULD, I say... more about the coaching replacements than the players, imo. Siri has to get that part right.

Bad teams use tags 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Is it possible to sign Hurts, Hargrave, and CJGJ?

Joe Banner and Andrew Brandt have been saying if the Eagles truly want to keep most of their players, they can keep them. They're the capologists. Doesn't mean they will, but they've worked in that field in the NFL before.

Milton Williams is more explosive, more athletic than Hargrave and was really just starting to figure it out in year 2.  He was drafted in the same round too.

Davis was a very high first round pick.  

With the enormous number of free agents we have, if that's not enough at DT and we need to pay Hargrave 20m...then what are draft picks actually for?

We can't have 80% of our defensive spending at DT.

Lol wow

Sign Hurts and CJGJ.

Then look at the rest of the FA landscape.  Is there a 24-25 year old who will start here for several years and might actually be underpaid by the end of their contract?  If so, sign them.

Don't sign anyone over 30 who will be underperforming at the end of their deal.  That's Bradberry, Sanders, Hargrave, Seumalo.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol wow

Once a worthwhile project.  Not here, not now.

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol wow

He's chosen to be unemployed.

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

You sign him because he's one of the team's best players and one of the best DTs in the NFL. The draft stuff is just a secondary benefit.

I like Hargrave a lot, but I would start Davis and Williams and save $20M per year.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I like Hargrave a lot, but I would start Davis and Williams and save $20M per year.

I think that's essentially punting on 2023. You aren't getting to a SB with those guys as your starting DTs. Don't think you even win the division with them.

Jags must be happy today

 

13 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

The Eagles are going through major post Super Bowl changes with players and coaches. The good news is.... they should have enough good players and coaches to at least compete. SHOULD, I say... more about the coaching replacements than the players, imo. Siri has to get that part right.

To be honest, I like that they are going through major changes.

There is a reason there is a SB loser curse.  They weren't good enough, have lots of players coming off big years, and overextend themselves trying to maintain a model that still wasn't SB worthy.

I'm not worried about fatigue or hunger from Hurts, the WRs, and the OL.  And since most of the rest of the team and staff is going to be new, we can forget about that hangover and curse.

 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think that's essentially punting on 2023. You aren't getting to a SB with those guys as your starting DTs. Don't think you even win the division with them.

If you believe that, then Howie still shouldn't be allowed to call names on draft day.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I think that's essentially punting on 2023. You aren't getting to a SB with those guys as your starting DTs. Don't think you even win the division with them.

Yeah but if it comes down to securing Hurts for the foreseeable future, and picking one of Hargrave or CJGJ....you have to go CJGJ. 

It's going to massively suck to lose Hargrave, but the secondary is going to be thinner than the defensive line.  Maddox can't play outside and I'd rather have Williams in a starting role full time than I would Blankenship. 

Just now, eagle45 said:

If you believe that, then Howie still shouldn't be allowed to call names on draft day.

I think Howie has done a great job the last 2 years and he's earned trust, but we also can't forget the past and his flaws. He was awful 2018-2020. The drafting on defense has been awful for years, even through the good years, it's always been their weakness.

And also we should not forget how close the NFC and division was. Competing with Dallas was touch and go for most of the year, but the Eagles held them off. 2023 the Eagles play a first place schedule, and the ripple effect of losing your two best DTs(don't forget about Cox... losing Hargrave would be tough, but losing Hargrave in addition to Cox is a massive blow) and the affect that has on your overall pass rush, could be the negative impact needed to take this team from a first place to second place team all things factored in.

And if your pass rush gets worse on top of say losing Bradberry and CJGJ? There's no way in hell they can replace that talent in one draft that you have so few picks in.

This offseason if not played right could turn into SB hopes to "punt year" very quickly if they aren't careful.

18 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

It’s almost like reading just your last few posts that you don’t understand football. 

I thought this was a Sixers board? 

From a cap perspective, not only do they want to pay Hurts soon, but they also need to get from the under the dead cap hell they've been in since before Wentz flounced off.  They can either perpetuate the cycle, or use this year as quiet redo in order to push the franchise on again. As such, transition to a new Eagles era

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

To be honest, I like that they are going through major changes.

There is a reason there is a SB loser curse.  They weren't good enough, have lots of players coming off big years, and overextend themselves trying to maintain a model that still wasn't SB worthy.

I'm not worried about fatigue or hunger from Hurts, the WRs, and the OL.  And since most of the rest of the team and staff is going to be new, we can forget about that hangover and curse.

 

If Hurts continues to play like a top 10 QB, then this team will be able to compete with their offense pretty well intact over the next 2-3 seasons.  The big concern is that Lane will need to be replaced sooner rather than later.  One reason I think they should invest a first round pick at OT is that gives them a better chance at replacing him in 2024. 

My view is that they need to view this next season as a rebuilding type season.  There's no reason to waste resources signing or over drafting for need.  They will have cap space in 2024.  They will be competitive in 2023 and may be able to make it deep in the playoffs again without significant additions in FA or by position filling in the draft. 

The question I have is primarily whether Sirianni will learn from the Super Bowl.  If he just views the loss as one where the defense cost the game, I don't think he's taking away the right lesson.  The offense had opportunities to be more aggressive and call plays better that could have won the game.  

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

If Hurts continues to play like a top 10 QB, then this team will be able to compete with their offense pretty well intact over the next 2-3 seasons.  The big concern is that Lane will need to be replaced sooner rather than later.  One reason I think they should invest a first round pick at OT is that gives them a better chance at replacing him in 2024. 

My view is that they need to view this next season as a rebuilding type season.  There's no reason to waste resources signing or over drafting for need.  They will have cap space in 2024.  They will be competitive in 2023 and may be able to make it deep in the playoffs again without significant additions in FA or by position filling in the draft. 

The question I have is primarily whether Sirianni will learn from the Super Bowl.  If he just views the loss as one where the defense cost the game, I don't think he's taking away the right lesson.  The offense had opportunities to be more aggressive and call plays better that could have won the game.  

I'm curious how different it will be with Kelce and Lane gone

29 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think that's essentially punting on 2023. You aren't getting to a SB with those guys as your starting DTs. Don't think you even win the division with them.

I think there's no way to sign Hargrave at $20m.  He's a risk to sign at that price because of his age.  I think Davis played better than people give him credit for on here as did Williams.  I think they will add a DT in the draft in an early round but not re-sign Hargrave.