1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

I feel like a kid sticking his fingers in his ears and making noises over y’all. CJGJ isn’t walking. If we only bring back one guy, it’s him. Bradberry is getting older and was a benefactor of pass rush. TJ Edwards was solid, nothing more. See ya. Same with Miles. I think Graham comes back on a team friendly 2 year deal with an out after this year. Seumalo will walk too.

TL;DR CJGJ, Graham will be back. We draft CB, IDL, IOL in first 2 days of draft. Maybe DE to groom.

Im just not as attached to Gardner-Johnson as everyone.

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im just not as attached to Gardner-Johnson as everyone.

I just think it’s too easy to replace Bradberry, Hargrave, and Seumalo this draft. CJGJ’s versatility, energy, and leadership is hard to replace. If we rip the whole defense apart aside from Sweat, Reddick, and Slay, this starts to feel like a reset of sorts.

Fantastic CB, IDL, IOL draft.

6 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I just think it’s too easy to replace Bradberry, Hargrave, and Seumalo this draft. CJGJ’s versatility, energy, and leadership is hard to replace. If we rip the whole defense apart aside from Sweat, Reddick, and Slay, this starts to feel like a reset of sorts.

Not sure hes a good leader. At all. Might be quite the opposite.

There is undeniable swag. But thats not necessarily leadership.

Hes undersized for a safety, and suffered a major injury just trying to tackle someone. Thats not  necessarily a fluke. 

He missed a bunch of games. You have to pay him big money and multiple years and youre not even sure what his ceiling at the position can be.

Hes a weak tackler (though that may improve and maybe already has been), and his INTs were all either poor throws or tipped passes. Not really him putting himself in perfect position. Kind of lucky. Can his coverage from the safety position improve? Possibly. Theres certainly room there.

 

Theres a bunch of good, young free agent safeties. Theres a couple nice ones in the draft. And Maddox can probably make the same exact transition- and he may even be better at it. He already has is big extension. Now you just have to replace a nickel corner.

 

Theres a variety of options to replace Gardner-Johnson. And some of them may be better options while simultaneously being more cost effective.

 

When you look at the DT market, there are no free agents to replace Hargrave. When you look at the CB market, theres not much there to replace Bradberry at the same level. Safety is full of viable options. He is one player whos leaving would hurt us the least. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Not sure hes a good leader. At all. Might be quite the opposite.

There is undeniable swag. But thats not necessarily leadership.

Hes undersized for a safety, and suffered a major injury just trying to tackle someone. Thats not  necessarily a fluke. 

He missed a bunch of games. You have to pay him big money and multiple years and youre not even sure what his ceiling at the position can be.

Hes a weak tackler (though that may improve and maybe already has been), and his INTs were all either poor throws or tipped passes. Not really him putting himself in perfect position. Kind of lucky. Can his coverage from the safety position improve? Possibly. Theres certainly room there.

 

Theres a bunch of good, young free agent safeties. Theres a couple nice ones in the draft. And Maddox can probably make the same exact transition- and he may even be better at it.

Agree to disagree here

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Hargrave is as good as gone. Seems like Gardner-Johnson is too and there are good and likely cheaper options to replace him in free agency. In this scenario, it makes sense to make Bradberry our 1 guy that we keep out of that big 3. Rookie corner replaces slay.

He's turning 30 himself and I was very bothered by all his holding in that superbowl, and the Chiefs don't have Jefferson or Adams or anyone close to that level. He had a very good year overall but he can get gone now. I'm actually surprised how many people want to pay him over others. I'd just pay Jamel Dean if you want to sign a CB at a high price. Gardner-Johnson I would pay too and over Bradberry if it came down to it. 

16 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

carr sucks.  was the Raiders QB non stop for close to 10 years, with no playoff wins.  One playoff start.  Mostly losing seasons.

Dat arm talent doe…..

What about bringing in Rudy Ford?  He's 28 and had a decent year with the Packers last year.  He's familiar with Philly.  Could be a decent 3-year deal kind of guy.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

They're the same age, Copernicus.

That’s weird. I thought PP would be way older too, especially since he was indirectly involved in the Kevin Kolb deal. 

27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im just not as attached to Gardner-Johnson as everyone.

I just don’t think Eagles will ever invest a ton of draft capital or pay a S top of the line money. 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What about bringing in Rudy Ford?  He's 28 and had a decent year with the Packers last year.  He's familiar with Philly.  Could be a decent 3-year deal kind of guy.

No

8 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

He's turning 30 himself and I was very bothered by all his holding in that superbowl, and the Chiefs don't have Jefferson or Adams or anyone close to that level. He had a very good year overall but he can get gone now. I'm actually surprised how many people want to pay him over others. I'd just pay Jamel Dean if you want to sign a CB. Gardner-Johnson I would pay too and over Bradberry if it came down to it. 

Not sure you can just arbitrarily choose who you want to keep over the others just by looking at it in a vaccuum.

Have to look at what's available in the draft,  and at that position on free agency,  and make it all fit. 

 

Worrying about signing the one guy at the deepest position in the free agent class and letting others walk with very weak free agent options to replace them is probably the backwards way to go about roster construction. 

 

You can say we will draft a DT and CB early,  but now you need both of those rookies to be hits who are both immediately,  highly successful. 

We know Howie patches holes in free agency, and supplements through the draft. So he's going to go about it differently than the way most CGJ supporters are suggesting. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I just don’t think Eagles will ever invest a ton of draft capital or pay a S top of the line money. 

I don't either.  I can see a big money deal.  But it feels like GJ is probably looking to be the new highest paid safety. 

Eagles already walked away from the opportunity to pay the largest safety contract last year.  They're likely to walk away again. 

Last year they didn't edged have a fall back plan.  They missed on ALL good free agent options.  Got lucky to find the Gardner-Johnson deal mid-season.

Thus year they can walk away with good reason considering their other options at the position. 

16 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not sure hes a good leader. At all. Might be quite the opposite.

There is undeniable swag. But thats not necessarily leadership.

Hes undersized for a safety, and suffered a major injury just trying to tackle someone. Thats not  necessarily a fluke. 

He missed a bunch of games. You have to pay him big money and multiple years and youre not even sure what his ceiling at the position can be.

Hes a weak tackler (though that may improve and maybe already has been), and his INTs were all either poor throws or tipped passes. Not really him putting himself in perfect position. Kind of lucky. Can his coverage from the safety position improve? Possibly. Theres certainly room there.

 

Theres a bunch of good, young free agent safeties. Theres a couple nice ones in the draft. And Maddox can probably make the same exact transition- and he may even be better at it. He already has is big extension. Now you just have to replace a nickel corner.

 

Theres a variety of options to replace Gardner-Johnson. And some of them may be better options while simultaneously being more cost effective.

 

When you look at the DT market, there are no free agents to replace Hargrave. When you look at the CB market, theres not much there to replace Bradberry at the same level. Safety is full of viable options. He is one player whos leaving would hurt us the least. 

Yup. He’s not a leader at all in my opinion. More of a second hand man that does the dirty work kind of guy. He’s the Joe Pesci to the Robert De Niro in Casino. 

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That’s weird. I thought PP would be way older too, especially since he was indirectly involved in the Kevin Kolb deal. 

He was 20 when he was drafted turned 21 same year as drafted in July. 

I will say, the combine came and went and nothing really came out about CJGJ. Nothing to suggest team related leaks and nothing to suggest agent related leaks. Nothing at all really. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything but it could suggest both sides are working on a deal and are in a good place as of now. 

I think some are taking a lot of these players for granted. I get it, money, cap, expenses and all that. But if they opt to go for cheaper replacements and the defense falls off a cliff next season, midway through the season I don't think we're going to be getting a whole lot of "I'm fine with the defense sucking, they needed to let these guys go" takes. It's a lot easier to be comfortable letting key guys go in the offseason than it is during the season when the product is there front and center and you're watching it week in, week out.

Post June 1st swap, Slay for Henry? Rookie CB in 1st round, roll the dice on Jobe/McPhearson. Desai is known for developing DBs, did well at Seattle with their VERY young and inexperienced CB group.

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

Post June 1st swap, Slay for Henry? Rookie CB in 1st round, roll the dice on Jobe/McPhearson. Desai is known for developing DBs, did well at Seattle with their VERY young and inexperienced CB group.

Titans are rebuilding and Eagles aren’t going to pay Henry’s contract. The amount they will be spending on Hurts, AJB, and Smith will not allow them to splurge at RB. They won’t even pay Sanders 5-10 mil. Draft seems to be a near certainty to fill RB hole.

7 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

He was 20 when he was drafted turned 21 same year as drafted in July. 

He must have been one of those kids whose parents put him in school first chance they got. 

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Post June 1st swap, Slay for Henry? Rookie CB in 1st round, roll the dice on Jobe/McPhearson. Desai is known for developing DBs, did well at Seattle with their VERY young and inexperienced CB group.

If we’re gonna go with Jobe/McPhearson, I’d rather keep Slay and his leadership, than take your chances on a rookie and possibly being a complete liability in coverage as a team. 

Not looking forward to when DeVonta’s rookie deal ends. Probably going to have to choose between him and AJ. I’d honestly pick Smith.

10 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Not looking forward to when DeVonta’s rookie deal ends. Probably going to have to choose between him and AJ. I’d honestly pick Smith.

Brown will be 29 by then. Smith will still be 26 going on 27 end of season. I’d definitely take Smith if all things stay the same. 

AJ Brown is Hurts' best friend, I don't think he's going anywhere unless they wanna piss Hurts off.

52 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Not looking forward to when DeVonta’s rookie deal ends. Probably going to have to choose between him and AJ. I’d honestly pick Smith.

Extend Smith, AJ walks after this contract, draft WR round 1.  And the cycle continues.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

AJ Brown is Hurts' best friend, I don't think he's going anywhere unless they wanna piss Hurts off.

Brady, Manning, and Brees have each had about 5 different top targets over their careers.  If Hurts wants to be a great one, he’s going to have to learn to deal with the shorter life cycle at WR and not get emotionally wrapped up in it.