I tend to think the odds are against the eagles bringing back hargrave or CJGJ. I believe both get to free agency and the price is too rich. Frankly with hargrave i wouldn’t pay him the money he’s gonna get at 30. the eagles identified hargrave in FA before he really blew up with the eagles. I tend to think there’s a guy they are looking at in FA that’s in the similar mold. As for CJGJ, i would bet they rather spend the money at second corner or position than at safety. Go with blakenship and extend Epps or sign someone like John Johnson who is getting released by the browns as it won’t cost them in their compensatory picks nor as pricey so they can sign another corner or position. 

Sorry if already posted. I’ve been too busy laughing at the Giants. 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I tend to think the odds are against the eagles bringing back hargrave or CJGJ. I believe both get to free agency and the price is too rich. Frankly with hargrave i wouldn’t pay him the money he’s gonna get at 30. the eagles identified hargrave in FA before he really blew up with the eagles. I tend to think there’s a guy they are looking at in FA that’s in the similar mold. As for CJGJ, i would bet they rather spend the money at second corner or position than at safety. Go with blakenship and extend Epps or sign someone like John Johnson who is getting released by the browns as it won’t cost them in their compensatory picks nor as pricey so they can sign another corner or position. 

 

I think given who CJGJ's agent is he is looking to be made the highest paid safety of all time or near it.  I believe the Eagles are letting him see free agency to see that no one is willing to him as that and then as a result maybe they will sign him a few days into free agency at around the number they have been offering him.   Hargrave is a goner though.

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I think given who CJGJ's agent is he is looking to be made the highest paid safety of all time or near it.  I believe the Eagles are letting him see free agency to see that no one is willing to him as that and then as a result maybe they will sign him a few days into free agency at around the number they have been offering him.   Hargrave is a goner though.

 i think you are right letting him see what the market bares. He’s so close to FA that it makes sense for him to do that. I wouldn’t be so sure someone doesn’t just overpay CJGJ thinking he can play safety and slot corner at a high level. There’s some teams with a boatload of cap that i could see for a 25 year old with positional versatility they’d pay him more than what the eagles are willing to. I think the eagles have a price I easily could see some team being dumb and overpaying. It’s free agency. 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

He's 6-2 215, hardly small.  Maybe more prone to injuries due to his playing style but nothing to do with his size. 

Listed at 215 means he probably plays at 205 which means he’s going to have injury problems most likely.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

I really hope the super bowl appearance, and allure of playing with Jalen Hurts draws some vets in on cheap deals.

Keeping Graham and Cox at bargains would go a long way to shoring up DL depth. Adding someone like Wagner or Kendricks in the LB corps would be a massive upgrade over either of Edwards or White.

All youd need to hit on is a CB in the draft. No one else would really need to be pressed to play right away. Lot less pressure on any DE or DT drafted after that point.

I'd love Wagner or Kendricks paired with dean, Dean could learn so much from either.

Wagner still has a bit left in the tank, not sure about Kendricks.🤷‍♂️

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 i think you are right letting him see what the market bares. He’s so close to FA that it makes sense for him to do that. I wouldn’t be so sure someone doesn’t just overpay CJGJ thinking he can play safety and slot corner at a high level. There’s some teams with a boatload of cap that i could see for a 25 year old with positional versatility they’d pay him more than what the eagles are willing to. I think the eagles have a price I easily could see some team being dumb and overpaying. It’s free agency. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if he already has something lined up and it’s announced Monday afternoon honestly. Players his age that don’t suck don’t often reach FA. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but him posting that picture of an ish-eating grin right after the tag deadline as well as removing Eagles from everything makes me think he has something already. 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 i think you are right letting him see what the market bares. He’s so close to FA that it makes sense for him to do that. I wouldn’t be so sure someone doesn’t just overpay CJGJ thinking he can play safety and slot corner at a high level. There’s some teams with a boatload of cap that i could see for a 25 year old with positional versatility they’d pay him more than what the eagles are willing to. I think the eagles have a price I easily could see some team being dumb and overpaying. It’s free agency. 

He doesnt seem the type that would swallow his pride and return. 
 

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if he already has something lined up and it’s announced Monday afternoon honestly. Players his age that don’t suck don’t often reach FA. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but him posting that picture of an ish-eating grin right after the tag deadline as well as removing Eagles from everything makes me think he has something already. 

If we are talking about hargrave, I 100% agree with you. Somebody’s gonna overpay. He’s an interior defensive lineman who is a good pass rusher. It’s not like he’s so old that you’re unwilling to do it. Even if give a five-year contract, there’s probably gonna be termination after three years at 33. I’m guessing he still probably going to be good just not like he is now. So the value is still there in the contract.  He was the one guy I thought they would have to get done before free agency to remotely have a chance to bring him back.
 

As for Chauncey Gardner Johnson, I think he’s gone because there’s teams with so much cap space that are going to have to spend the money. If you’re gonna spend the money on a big high price free agent, you want one that is young and one that has positional versatility. He does. He could play the slot corner and safety. I think he’s gonna get paid in free agency more than what the Eagles are willing to do. If he was asking for around 10 mil per and decent guaranteed I think it’s already done. I think he’s asking closer to 14 to 15 mil. I tend to think somebody’s going to spend money on him. And then you’ll hear the excuses  come out with the cap going up so the value of the market for safeties going up. I don’t see him coming back once he gets out there  because I don’t see him taking a discount.

I don’t think the Eagles value the safety position enough to overpay him at 14 to 15 mil. I think they’d rather allocate the money to multiple positions. I think they value the second corner position and getting another d or offensive lineman. Tbh I think they would rather pay Isaac Seumalo what he’s going to get then overpaid Chauncey Gardner Johnson 14-15 mil

 

32 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 i think you are right letting him see what the market bares. He’s so close to FA that it makes sense for him to do that. I wouldn’t be so sure someone doesn’t just overpay CJGJ thinking he can play safety and slot corner at a high level. There’s some teams with a boatload of cap that i could see for a 25 year old with positional versatility they’d pay him more than what the eagles are willing to. I think the eagles have a price I easily could see some team being dumb and overpaying. It’s free agency. 

 

For sure, but I think he's looking for more than any team is willing to offer.  Is there a team that is willing to offer him more than the Eagles?  Yeah that's a very real possibility.  But I don't think the door is shut on him coming back.  I think there might be a 35-40% chance he re-signs a few days into free agency.  The longer he stays on the open market I think the better the chances for him coming back to the Eagles.  

I do think it's kind of odd that some of these teams won't even reach out to him to see what he's really asking for, but I do think there is an explanation. Four of those teams needing a QB are content with taking Young, Stroud, Richardson, and Levis this year. There is also going to be an absolute tank-fest for Caleb Williams and Drake Maye next year for the 2024 draft. So that kind of takes six teams out of the running who are either content on taking a QB this year or next year. The 2023/2024 QB draft class will be the strongest back to back ones we've had in a while. 

And the other part of this is that if you do want to break the bank for Lamar, any team doing so is going to have to rely on draft picks to build around him due to your cap being invested in him. And that is something teams won't be able to do if they have to give up the two first rounders to Baltimore to get Lamar. 

So maybe there is some sort of collusion going on over the push-back for fully guaranteed Deshaun Watson type of contracts, but I think teams have a justified reason for not wanting to go after Lamar. 

It's looking more and more like Howie was bringing CGJ in for the Super Bowl run with no intention on extending him rightfully knowing what he's going to demand in free agency. 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

For sure, but I think he's looking for more than any team is willing to offer.  Is there a team that is willing to offer him more than the Eagles?  Yeah that's a very real possibility.  But I don't think the door is shut on him coming back.  I think there might be a 35-40% chance he re-signs a few days into free agency.  The longer he stays on the open market I think the better the chances for him coming back to the Eagles.  

I actually agree the longer he stays on the market it tells me there isn’t the market he thought there was going to be. at that point I’m guessing he probably takes like a two year deal where there’s an opt out after one year to go back on the market at that point.

But I kind of agree with Solak that a team like the Texans that just have a ton of cap space  and need talent will throw money at him. So paying him the 13-15 mil isn’t out of the question and i think he’s a guy demeco Ryan would love tone out there for his defense. I think that’s the problem you have in free agency. If he gets out there there’s a team like to texans that are just dumb and make bad decisions. theyre a poorly run franchise and see them saying screw the money he’s young, we need talent even if we overpay him it’s not going to destroy our cap at this point. 

Like I’ve said i think a guy like John Johnson when he gets released makes sense for the eagles. He’s gonna be in the range they likely feel comfortable playing safety. Plus don’t lose the compensatory picks as he’s being released by the browns. 
 

4 minutes ago, CheesesteakNBeer said:

It's looking more and more like Howie was bringing CGJ in for the Super Bowl run with no intention on extending him rightfully knowing what he's going to demand in free agency. 

The trade compensation certainly screamed that from the beginning. 

12 minutes ago, CheesesteakNBeer said:

It's looking more and more like Howie was bringing CGJ in for the Super Bowl run with no intention on extending him rightfully knowing what he's going to demand in free agency. 

I don’t think Howie thought he had a Super Bowl caliber team until the midpoint of the season, well after CJ was brought in. 

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The trade compensation certainly screamed that from the beginning. 

I think the FA looks something like this. 

When CJGJ leaves they go after John Johnson at safety. Doesn’t affect your compensatory picks since he was released. Still a solid to good player 

sign CB Emanuel Moseley coming off injury to a good deal where if he balls out he can make some good money in 2024 as a free agent again. When healthy he is very good. He could wind up being a steal in free agency

sign Matt loannidis to give you some help at DT with pass rush 

sign a linebacker like Azeez Al-Shaair who isn’t going to break the banks but is young with upside 

re-sign graham

sign a rb like Alexander Mattison in the 2nd or 3rd wave of free agency

sign a veteran slot receiver like Jarvis Landry for a good price coming off a down year 

Sign someone like TE irv smith at a decent price in the second/third wave of free agency. Think he is still relatively young with upside behind goedert. 

** bonus: I don’t think it’s out of the question that they trade the 30th overall pick for a player that’s coming towards the end of the rookie contract. From a team that either in a rebuild that doesn’t wanna pay him next contract or a regime change where he doesn’t fit but fits the Eagles better.

 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the FA looks something like this. 

When CJGJ leaves they go after John Johnson at safety. Doesn’t affect your compensatory picks since he was released. Still a solid to good player 

sign CB Emanuel Moseley coming off injury to a good deal where if he balls out he can make some good money in 2024 as a free agent again. When healthy he is very good. He could wind up being a steal in free agency

sign Matt loannidis to give you some help at DT with pass rush 

sign a linebacker like Azeez Al-Shaair who isn’t going to break the banks but is young with upside 

re-sign graham

sign a rb like Alexander Mattison in the 2nd or 3rd wave of free agency

sign a veteran slot receiver like Jarvis Landry for a good price coming off a down year 

Sign someone like TE irv smith at a decent price in the second/third wave of free agency. Think he is still relatively young with upside behind goedert. 

** bonus: I don’t think it’s out of the question that they trade the 30th overall pick for a player that’s coming towards the end of the rookie contract. From a team that either in a rebuild that doesn’t wanna pay him next contract or a regime change where he doesn’t fit but fits the Eagles better.

 

D+. You didn’t get us a new punter 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

D+. You didn’t get us a new punter 

I’d probably wait til after the draft cause i think they’ll bring in an udfa to compete with siposs

22 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the FA looks something like this. 

When CJGJ leaves they go after John Johnson at safety. Doesn’t affect your compensatory picks since he was released. Still a solid to good player 

sign CB Emanuel Moseley coming off injury to a good deal where if he balls out he can make some good money in 2024 as a free agent again. When healthy he is very good. He could wind up being a steal in free agency

sign Matt loannidis to give you some help at DT with pass rush 

sign a linebacker like Azeez Al-Shaair who isn’t going to break the banks but is young with upside 

re-sign graham

sign a rb like Alexander Mattison in the 2nd or 3rd wave of free agency

sign a veteran slot receiver like Jarvis Landry for a good price coming off a down year 

Sign someone like TE irv smith at a decent price in the second/third wave of free agency. Think he is still relatively young with upside behind goedert. 

** bonus: I don’t think it’s out of the question that they trade the 30th overall pick for a player that’s coming towards the end of the rookie contract. From a team that either in a rebuild that doesn’t wanna pay him next contract or a regime change where he doesn’t fit but fits the Eagles better.

 

Yuck

8 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Yuck

Never said it was thrilling or great. But with the money they have i dont see them making a big splash type signing nor going after a lot of guys in the first wave of free agency. I think they are going to extend hurts and try to make sure they’re in a better cap position next year to make one of those splash signings 

31 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the FA looks something like this. 

When CJGJ leaves they go after John Johnson at safety. Doesn’t affect your compensatory picks since he was released. Still a solid to good player 

sign CB Emanuel Moseley coming off injury to a good deal where if he balls out he can make some good money in 2024 as a free agent again. When healthy he is very good. He could wind up being a steal in free agency

sign Matt loannidis to give you some help at DT with pass rush 

sign a linebacker like Azeez Al-Shaair who isn’t going to break the banks but is young with upside 

re-sign graham

sign a rb like Alexander Mattison in the 2nd or 3rd wave of free agency

sign a veteran slot receiver like Jarvis Landry for a good price coming off a down year 

Sign someone like TE irv smith at a decent price in the second/third wave of free agency. Think he is still relatively young with upside behind goedert. 

** bonus: I don’t think it’s out of the question that they trade the 30th overall pick for a player that’s coming towards the end of the rookie contract. From a team that either in a rebuild that doesn’t wanna pay him next contract or a regime change where he doesn’t fit but fits the Eagles better.

 

Id rather keep Quez over signing someone like Jarvis Landry. Im not against getting an upgrade over Quez, but whoever it is should be a threat to take the top off the defense on any given play.

11 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

Id rather keep Quez over signing someone like Jarvis Landry. Im not against getting an upgrade over Quez, but whoever it is should be a threat to take the top off the defense on any given play.

Good luck finding them in free agency without paying a lot for it or not worth what they get. I’m fine with someone like woods or landry if it’s a cheap 1 year deal. It’s an upgrade to quez and much more reliable when on the field. As much as i would like a take the top off i think you look to the draft for that type of guy. Looking at free agency hollins, hardman, Campbell fit that bill. None are gonna be worth what they cost. Maybe you get chosen Anderson at a decent value when the cardinals release him. I’d still rather get landry or woods dirt cheap

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Good luck finding them in free agency without paying a lot for it or not worth what they get. I’m fine with someone like woods or landry if it’s a cheap 1 year deal. It’s an upgrade to quez and much more reliable. 

Well thats what im saying I would rather keep Quez if you have to go out of your way and pay big money or give up a significant draft pick. Woods and Landry at this point in their career are just carrying name value. Woods is going to be 31 next year. Not sure how much he has left in the tank and if hes going to stay healthy throughout the season. Same with Landry. Yes they have better hands and would be more reliable, but if they arent taking the safety off the top which leaves Devonta and AJ in more 1 on 1 situations then I dont want it.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

If Lamar Jackson was willing to sign off on 4 years/$160M he’d have gotten his contract two years ago 

14 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

Well thats what im saying I would rather keep Quez if you have to go out of your way and pay big money or give up a significant draft pick. Woods and Landry at this point in their career are just carrying name value. Woods is going to be 31 next year. Not sure how much he has left in the tank and if hes going to stay healthy throughout the season. Same with Landry. Yes they have better hands and would be more reliable, but if they arent taking the safety off the top which leaves Devonta and AJ in more 1 on 1 situations then I dont want it.

I’m not paying either one very much. It’s basically slightly more than they paid pascal. I rather save the money from quez making $2.7 mil next year and pay either of those guys that and draft a speedster in the middle to late rounds then go back with quez. I rather have the reliability of woods or landry and have a young kid be groomed in the Wr room by smith, brown and landry/woods. When healthy both are likely solid additions and cheap. They played with bad Qbs last year. Not sure how good many WRs are with malik willis playing a good portion of games and tannehill injured and declining. And only saint WR played well last year with Dalton was olave.  

so i could spend 2.7 mil on quez or trade/release quez and save 2.7 mil, spend around 2 mil on woods/landry (that’s what i give them i wouldn’t pay more) and draft quez replacement in the 4th/5th round which gives me 4 more years of development. I could draft and keep quez but i don’t think quez watkins is worth 2.7 mil