1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

It means he's leaving for elsewhere...........

Unless the Eagles want to pay him what he wants.

Like I said earlier tonight, I think he and Hargrave are both gone. They’re going to get paid more than what the eagles are willing to shell out. I hope I’m wrong but i don’t think i am. I tend to agree with solak and sheil that Johnson makes sense. He’s 27, eagles had interested, durable, known for having good intangibles and has knowledge of the system. Other guy is rapp who’s 25, knowledge of the system and is likely an upgrade from Epps. 

2 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I do think it's kind of odd that some of these teams won't even reach out to him to see what he's really asking for, but I do think there is an explanation. Four of those teams needing a QB are content with taking Young, Stroud, Richardson, and Levis this year. There is also going to be an absolute tank-fest for Caleb Williams and Drake Maye next year for the 2024 draft. So that kind of takes six teams out of the running who are either content on taking a QB this year or next year. The 2023/2024 QB draft class will be the strongest back to back ones we've had in a while. 

And the other part of this is that if you do want to break the bank for Lamar, any team doing so is going to have to rely on draft picks to build around him due to your cap being invested in him. And that is something teams won't be able to do if they have to give up the two first rounders to Baltimore to get Lamar. 

So maybe there is some sort of collusion going on over the push-back for fully guaranteed Deshaun Watson type of contracts, but I think teams have a justified reason for not wanting to go after Lamar. 

It’s a Colin Kaepernick "thing.”

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree. I think he’s going to get more money than what the Eagles are gonna be willing to spend at backup quarterback tbh. I was just pointing out a reason why the Falcons didn’t wanna throw the football more was because of how bad the defense was. So they tried to shorten the game so that they could stay in and win. Add on mariota averaged 23 passes per game. Meanwhile Ridder averaged 28. So 5 more attempts per game and that was cause they wanted to know what Ridder was and if they needed to draft a Qb this offseason. 

I’d rather just bring back Foles once the Colts release him

36 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Mariota would be the perfect backup for the Eagles as they wouldn't have to change their offense much with him if Hurts missed a game or two.

I'm starting to get a bad feeling that our starting safeties will be Epps and Blankenship next season.

Maddox and Blankenship

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I’d rather just bring back Foles once the Colts release him

I wouldn’t be against that. Much rather have foles tbh. At 3.6 mil for a backup and the savings is 2.1 mil. i wouldn’t be shocked even with the dead money being 18 million, Matt Ryan if he is released saves them $17.2 million against the cap. I wouldn’t be entirely shocked just because of how low the money is for a back up quarterback like Nick Foles that they keep him and release Ryan to save 17 million and draft a Qb in the top 5 

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

It’s a Colin Kaepernick "thing.”

After free agency and the draft there will be teams still needing a QB.  I doubt Washington is serious about going with Howell, for instance.  If Rodgers is just leading the Jets on (95% probable) they’ll still be in the QB market.  Dolphins are a possibility.

IMO Jackson will not find any team willing to guarantee his entire contract like Watson got, but there will likely be another team offering him close to what the Ravens have.  At that point, it comes down to whether the Ravens wish to match or not.

If Lamar was smart (assuming there’s no fully guaranteed offer out there), he would go back to the Ravens sometime after the draft and ask for 3 years, $145M, fully guaranteed.  THAT might be digestible for the Ravens, and he’d hit the market again sooner.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

we talkin bout a backup

And we all understand that. Let’s get one who can throw. 

 

Going to be livid if we let CJGJ go and re-sign Epps and Edwards. If you're going to let them go, let them all go, because if they keep Edwards and Epps, they'd just be giving them(two of their weaker starters) money they could've given to one of their best starters and it'll be incredibly annoying. I'd much rather have Hargrave or CJGJ instead of both Epps and Edwards. I think Epps and Edwards are vastly overrated. Whenever the Eagles play better offense, those are two of the guys the coaches usually go after. But because they played in a highly ranked defense, they're going to get paid well themselves, but they're the type of guys an organization like the Eagles loves to keep around as a kind of "Look at us!" to everyone because they weren't top draft picks and they can kinda feel good about themselves for developing a 6th round pick and an undrafted player.

And you know in a year, in a lesser talented defense, Edwards and Epps' flaws are going to be more exposed, and it'll be one of those "F, man, you should've just given the money you have them to one of your best young players and found their replacements in the draft."

 

10 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

 

Going to go down as a mistake. A giant Fn mistake. TJ, Epps, and all of the other average at best players taking his money will be painful to watch.

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Going to be livid if we let CJGJ go and re-sign Epps and Edwards. If you're going to let them go, let them all go, because if they keep Edwards and Epps, they'd just be giving them(two of their weaker starters) money they could've given to one of their best starters and it'll be incredibly annoying. I'd much rather have Hargrave or CJGJ instead of both Epps and Edwards. I think Epps and Edwards are vastly overrated. Whenever the Eagles play better offense, those are two of the guys the coaches usually go after. But because they played in a highly ranked defense, they're going to get paid well themselves, but they're the type of guys an organization like the Eagles loves to keep around as a kind of "Look at us!" to everyone because they weren't top draft picks and they can kinda feel good about themselves for developing a 6th round pick and an undrafted player.

And you know in a year, in a lesser talented defense, Edwards and Epps' flaws are going to be more exposed, and it'll be one of those "F, man, you should've just given the money you have them to one of your best young players and found their replacements in the draft."

 

I think Epps’ flaws are pretty apparent to anyone watching. 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think Epps’ flaws are pretty apparent to anyone watching. 

Telling you, he's going to get 7 or 8m per year on the open market and Edwards is going to get 8 or 9m. They're going to get paid a lot. The Eagles seem to love Epps for whatever reason and since everyone watching knows he's flawed and average, the logical assumption to make is they love the fact that they developed a 6th round pick into an NFL starter and way overrate him because of that. Guarantee if Marcus Epps was a guy they traded for last year and CJGJ was a guy they drafted, they'd let Marcus Epps go without a second thought.

And also, the Eagles made a strong play for Marcus Williams last year. Don't forget they barely got beat out by the Ravens. So they showed they're willing to pay mega bucks for a safety... if they value them. If they let CJGJ go, it won't just be because of money. It will be because they don't evaluate him as highly as we do. Which would make re-signing Epps for a chunk of money even worse.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. Looking at the safety market if CJGJ does leave the best are bates (not happening if they aren’t signing CJGJ for that money), von bell, poyer, adderely, rapp, edmunds and Amos. Not sure they want to spend money on poyer who’s gonna be 32 in April. Adderley, rapp are young. Rapp was good last year but adderley was basically as good as Johnson so he doesn’t cost you comp picks. Amos is 30 and really wasn’t very good this past year. Bell and edmunds were in same tier as Johnson last year so spend on them to potentially miss out on a comp pick?

tbh i don’t see the eagles going into free agency and throwing money around at safety unless they see a jenkins and mcleod situation cause i don’t think they’d want to mess with their comp picks. Also, have to remember two years ago when he became a free agent, and when Gannon was brought in to be Dc, the eagles had interest in him. Desai plays a similar style d so wouldn’t be shocking if they have interest  

mariota would make sense as a backup but i think he gets overpaid by someone as a backup. Woods if cheap enough is a fine 3-4 wide receiver and a good locker room guy. 
 

We should bring Poyer back just for his wife… 

On a serious note, our offense is going to be pretty much intact save for 2 starters. Replacing Sanders should be fairly easy.

I think we should be responsible, but put together a competitive defense and see if we can’t take another stab at a ring.

Otherwise I wouldn’t mind trying to front load Hurts’ contract.

People are gonna lose their minds on here and Twitter when hargrave, CJGJ, Edwards, bradberry all leave and only Epps, Cox and graham are back. Lol. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

People are gonna lose their minds on here and Twitter when hargrave, CJGJ, Edwards, bradberry all leave and only Epps, Cox and graham are back. Lol. 

I’d put Edwards in the 2nd group

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

I’d put Edwards in the 2nd group

Yeah probably would too.

I actually think a guy like Zach Allen is a guy the eagles target in free agency thats similar to hargrave when he came here. By that i mean young, still has upside, can rush the passer and the eagles identified him as a player who could be really good in their scheme.  

I doubt they make any meaningful moves at safety. Might not be the worst idea to double dip at CB for both outside and inside and move Maddox to safety. Someone like Hodges-Tomlinson? This really sucks. CJGJ was a cornerstone to build around. After we lose Slay/Graham we’re down to only Sweat as a key starter from the SB team. 

11 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I doubt they make any meaningful moves at safety. Might not be the worst idea to double dip at CB for both outside and inside and move Maddox to safety. Someone like Hodges-Tomlinson? This really sucks. CJGJ was a cornerstone to build around. After we lose Slay/Graham we’re down to only Sweat as a key starter from the SB team. 

There are some solid safety prospects. Wouldn’t mind doubling up on the Illinois defensive backfield…

One of my concerns about Howie is him getting a little full of himself after the last offseason and think he can just pull rabbits out of the hat and fill holes whenever he needs to. If he's going to let guys go he better have a damn good plan to replace them, because championship windows aren't open very long. If you blow this window with Hurts and this offense group, the town will turn on him again very quickly. Two good offseasons doesn't buy him immunity.

I trust Howie in terms of finagling out of difficult spots. He's crafty and can find value in adverse situations. I still don't trust their talent evaluation fully though.

Don't forget the Eagles almost didn't wind up with AJ Brown. They tried to get Allen Robinson, which would've been a disaster.

Ultimately I still think they'll keep at least one of their big names, though. But we'll see. This is an important offseason for Howie and he better nail it.

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

One of my concerns about Howie is him getting a little full of himself after the last offseason and think he can just pull rabbits out of the hat and fill holes whenever he needs to. If he's going to let guys go he better have a damn good plan to replace them, because championship windows aren't open very long. If you blow this window with Hurts and this offense group, the town will turn on him again very quickly. Two good offseasons doesn't buy him immunity.

I trust Howie in terms of finagling out of difficult spots. He's crafty and can find value in adverse situations. I still don't trust their talent evaluation fully though.

Don't forget the Eagles almost didn't wind up with AJ Brown. They tried to get Allen Robinson, which would've been a disaster.

Ultimately I still think they'll keep at least one of their big names, though. But we'll see. This is an important offseason for Howie and he better nail it.

My personal belief is this once we got to the midway point of the season, 2023 was always going to have a regression on defense whether Gannon was back or not. There was way too many guys who were free agents or long in the tooth. They weren’t gonna be able to bring them all back. Add on not have the flexibility of restructuring a whole bunch of guys this offseason. Imo I think 2023 was to build up the defense with some young guy sprinkled in with some veterans to help the younger guys, but the regression was coming.

With that defensive regression, you just hoped that the offense would be good enough and take another step forward in their evolution to being even greater (if that’s possible) to make up for the regression of the defense. They’re going to pay Jalen hurts and it’s going to be some serious coin. but I tend to think the 2024 off-season even with that hurts extension they’re going to have some money to spend (cap wise and ability to restructure some guys) to add pieces to the defense so that they can make a bigger leap in 2024 like they did in 2022.

to me if the eagles add a couple guys who don’t break the bank that can be long term pieces and draft well then there’s a chance a big piece or two is coming in 2024 on defense that can get the defense on par with 2022 and the offense should still be flourishing. I hate saying it because I want to win a Super Bowl every single year we play but realistically the Eagles might be a far better title contender in 2024 then what we see in 2023. And that’s not saying they can’t compete for a title in 2023 but with how everything is working out they might just have a much better roster in 2024.

16 hours ago, mattwill said:

I’ve been on the Miller wagon since December and the Spears wagon since he ripped up USC in the Bowl game.  I don’t know anything about Gray

5’ 9.5” 207, 4.57 tranferred from Tennessee to Oklahoma 2021. He’s a weaver

 

 

9 hours ago, CheesesteakNBeer said:

It's looking more and more like Howie was bringing CGJ in for the Super Bowl run with no intention on extending him rightfully knowing what he's going to demand in free agency. 

Comp pick, win win

8 hours ago, UndyTaker said:

Id rather keep Quez over signing someone like Jarvis Landry. Im not against getting an upgrade over Quez, but whoever it is should be a threat to take the top off the defense on any given play.

 

56 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

 

So two things that hit me in watching this in real time during the Super Bowl.....1. He should have absolutely caught this 2. There should have been a penalty 

So f'ing frustrating how many things went wrong Hurts fumble, the field, Bradberry Penalty, Siranni not going for it of 4th and 3, Gannon's puss play calls....and it was all still right there for them.  This is right there with the NFCCG vs. Tampa at the Vet as biggest letdowns ever!  I am still bitter about both!

6 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Going to go down as a mistake. A giant Fn mistake. TJ, Epps, and all of the other average at best players taking his money will be painful to watch.

It will be Hurts getting "his” money