On 3/7/2023 at 10:51 PM, Saltpeter said:

I'd rather trot out some late round rookie and play the Blankenships, Jobes, etc. than sign half the guys on that list. If you're scraping like that, just trust your drafting.

Defensive drafting has not been good for this team for the last decade or so.  So, trusting without evidence that the drafting of defensive players is improved means having giant holes on the defensive side of the ball.

This organization hasn't actually drafted a defensive player to be a 'core' contributor since Cox, IIRC.  If I am missing someone, please correct me.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Defensive drafting has not been good for this team for the last decade or so.  So, trusting that without evidence that the drafting of defensive players is improved means having giant holes on the defensive side of the ball.

This organization hasn't actually drafted a defensive player to be a 'core' contributor since Cox, IIRC.  If I am missing someone, please correct me.

I agree, and have posted all of their defensive draft picks over the last decade numerous times.  It's ugly.  

Josh Sweat is their best since Cox.  Then you have guys like Avonte Maddox, who I think is overrated by many but a solid player when healthy.  Milton Williams MIGHT start in his 3rd year.  

Otherwise they overdraft guys, take gambles way too early in the draft or pick guys who play better elsewhere. 

54 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Eagles traded a 5th in 2023 for CGCJ. We got a year of very good production from him. If he walks, we'll get a 4th, or hopefully, a 3. We will get more out of CGCJ than the Saints did.

That's what good teams do!

We treated him well, so when he goes to a new team he'll talk about how much better Philly was than NO. That impacts free agency, or players wanting to be traded here.

If we can get him on a good deal, obviously keep him. I would prefer resigning him. But paying him 15M/Y is crazy. He's good, but not THAT good.

Or he'll call the Eagles scumbags and cheap because they didn't pay him.

Have a feeling this guy is drafted by us - 

 

13 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I do think it's kind of odd that some of these teams won't even reach out to him to see what he's really asking for, but I do think there is an explanation. Four of those teams needing a QB are content with taking Young, Stroud, Richardson, and Levis this year. There is also going to be an absolute tank-fest for Caleb Williams and Drake Maye next year for the 2024 draft. So that kind of takes six teams out of the running who are either content on taking a QB this year or next year. The 2023/2024 QB draft class will be the strongest back to back ones we've had in a while. 

And the other part of this is that if you do want to break the bank for Lamar, any team doing so is going to have to rely on draft picks to build around him due to your cap being invested in him. And that is something teams won't be able to do if they have to give up the two first rounders to Baltimore to get Lamar. 

So maybe there is some sort of collusion going on over the push-back for fully guaranteed Deshaun Watson type of contracts, but I think teams have a justified reason for not wanting to go after Lamar. 

It’s not that odd imo. This is what happens when you don’t have an agent. And why he should get a f’ing agent. All these teams are putting this out there to pressure him and lower his leverage and value. I’d bet almost every team that said they aren’t interested will actually check in on him at some point in the process. 

Here were the 6 interceptions from Chauncey 

2 vs Cooper Rush
1 vs Kenny Pickett
1 vs Davis Mills 
1 vs Taylor Heinicke
1 vs Kyler Murray

 

4 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Here were the 6 interceptions from Chauncey 

2 vs Cooper Rush
1 vs Kenny Pickett
1 vs Davis Mills 
1 vs Taylor Heinicke
1 vs Kyler Murray

 

 

Only player on defense who showed up in the Super Bowl.

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s not that odd imo. This is what happens when you don’t have an agent. And why he should get a f’ing agent. All these teams are putting this out there to pressure him and lower his leverage and value. I’d bet almost every team that said they aren’t interested will actually check in on him at some point in the process. 

Yeah makes little sense.  Not sure what agents get nowadays but I doubt the money he could save by not having an agent is more than what a solid agent could potentially get him.  (Net) 

Either way, doesn’t make a lot of sense to me either.  It’s similar to someone trying to represent themselves in court, in a major case.  Rarely works out, imo.

8 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Here were the 6 interceptions from Chauncey 

2 vs Cooper Rush
1 vs Kenny Pickett
1 vs Davis Mills 
1 vs Taylor Heinicke
1 vs Kyler Murray

 

That's great .... but the rest of the Eagles secondary all played against those same QBs, and CJGJ had twice as many INT as the next best players.  Slay had 3 and Bradberry had 3.  

As a team the Eagles had 17 INT.  With CJGJ and Bradberry gone that leaves 8 total, as a team.  How good will the defense be if no one can get any turnovers?  

CJGJ is good! No need to knock him down.

The question is whether it's worth paying him 15M/Y with hefty guarantees. That's for great S money. And with all due to respect to him, he's not Malcolm Jenkins.

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s not that odd imo. This is what happens when you don’t have an agent. And why he should get a f’ing agent. All these teams are putting this out there to pressure him and lower his leverage and value. I’d bet almost every team that said they aren’t interested will actually check in on him at some point in the process. 

I think there’s multiple things going on right now. What you talked about with him needing an agent. But also, everyone saw what happened last year with Deshaun Watson. The Atlanta Falcons basically were the front runner up until the last hour when they heard his contract demand and weren’t going to give in. Then the Cleveland Browns decided to say F it we’re going to do it and he pivoted to Cleveland. Once that happened atlanta was forced to trade matt Ryan. So they were willing to lose ryan and watson to not do a fully guaranteed contract that watson wanted with everything he had going on around him. I think most organizations wouldn’t want to especially for a guy who’s gotten hurt more the last two years and missed 10 games and a playoff game  

just don’t think teams want to pay the compensation in draft picks and then have to pay 250+ million in a fully guaranteed contract to a quarterback that missed 10 games in the last two years. I’d add on i bet there’s a lot of teams that dont want to do the leg work for the ravens in the negotiations to help them out. Add on i think there’s a lot of sentiment out there that maybe lamar could’ve played in that bengals playoff game and he didn’t want to due to the contract and he very well could’ve been the difference in them winning that game. 

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Only player on defense who showed up in the Super Bowl.

He had 4 total tackles, 2 solo.  Thats it, not a single other stat in that game.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Yeah makes little sense.  Not sure what agents get nowadays but I doubt the money he could save by not having an agent is more than what a solid agent could potentially get him.  (Net) 

Either way, doesn’t make a lot of sense to me either.  It’s similar to someone trying to represent themselves in court, in a major case.  Rarely works out, imo.

Usually I think it’s like 2 to 3% of the contract. Even if it ends up costing him more, he’s getting so much money it makes the fee almost negligible. Just make a smart investment with the money and you’ll recoup it back. I’d have an agent just to cover all the headaches and tedious parts. 

You guys really think Lamars mom is calling all these teams and trying to negotiate?  

LeanMean is correct, theyre working this dude because they know its amateur hour.

 

4 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Or he'll call the Eagles scumbags and cheap because they didn't pay him.

I was thinking about this too when scrolling through the FA safeties on OTC.  If I counted correct, there are 72 free agent safeties this year, only 9 were paid less than CJG, one of those being Marcus Epps.

The Eagles got WAYYYY more production from both safeties than they paid for in 2022.  He put on a happy face for the year but he hasn't always taken the high road.  I could see a jab or two at the Eagles for paying him pennies for what he contributed if he signs somewhere else.

Think about it for a minute.  The Eagles paid $1.5 million combined for both of their starting safeties last year.  That's unheard of, especially given the production and success they had as a team.  Seeing this makes me wonder how much Howie is willing to spend at the position.  Is he ready to go from the cheapest safety duo in the league to potentially the highest paid safety in the league?

Think about it for a minute.  In 2022, the Eagles had their starting QB, RB and both safeties on rookie deals.

Hurts gave them almost 4,500 total yards, 35 TDs, 22 passing (a number I'd still like to see go up) and 13 rushing.  Almost 1300 yards and 11 TDs from Sanders.  6 INT (all CJG) from their safeties....all for under $5 million total.  That's crazy.  

The Eagles are going to have to find those rookies, waiver claims and cheap FA to continue to compete.  This needs to come at all of or parts of DL, DB, LB and RB. 

QB- Potentially the highest paid QB or one of the highest paid at least.  $45+million

RB- going to be utilizing rookie contracts and a low level veteran deal

WR- $120 million invested in starters, rookie/low veteran deals to fill out WR3/4/5

OL- Highest paid center, assuming he's back. 11th highest LT, 3rd highest RT.  Rookie deals on LG/RG assuming Jurgens is RG.

DT- Rookie deals for Davis, Williams, Tuipulotu.  

Edge- Reddick and Sweat are on very good deals when compared to the rest of the league.  Depth on rookie deals and potentially BG $6 million rumored.

LB- Dean is on 3rd round rookie deal.  

CB- 8th highest paid CB in Slay, surprisingly, Maddox is 29th highest as a slot CB.  CB2 will be rookie deal potentially

S- Blankenship and Wallace are rookie deals.

K- 11th highest paid kicker

P- Rookie/vet miniumum deal adddition?

 

 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

You guys really think Lamars mom is calling all these teams and trying to negotiate?  

LeanMean is correct, theyre working this dude because they know its amateur hour.

And because he wants a fully guaranteed deal.  Nobody is going to give him that.  

I'd love to know the number that the Ravens offered him.

Given how modern football played, an expensive offense + a young, cheap-ish, deep defense is the way to go

35 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Have a feeling this guy is drafted by us - 

 

Would love it. He’s an absolute freakish athlete. 

42 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Or he'll call the Eagles scumbags and cheap because they didn't pay him.

 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I was thinking about this too when scrolling through the FA safeties on OTC.  If I counted correct, there are 72 free agent safeties this year, only 9 were paid less than CJG, one of those being Marcus Epps.

The Eagles got WAYYYY more production from both safeties than they paid for in 2022.  He put on a happy face for the year but he hasn't always taken the high road.  I could see a jab or two at the Eagles for paying him pennies for what he contributed if he signs somewhere else.

Think about it for a minute.  The Eagles paid $1.5 million combined for both of their starting safeties last year.  That's unheard of, especially given the production and success they had as a team.  Seeing this makes me wonder how much Howie is willing to spend at the position.  Is he ready to go from the cheapest safety duo in the league to potentially the highest paid safety in the league?

Think about it for a minute.  In 2022, the Eagles had their starting QB, RB and both safeties on rookie deals.

Hurts gave them almost 4,500 total yards, 35 TDs, 22 passing (a number I'd still like to see go up) and 13 rushing.  Almost 1300 yards and 11 TDs from Sanders.  6 INT (all CJG) from their safeties....all for under $5 million total.  That's crazy.  

The Eagles are going to have to find those rookies, waiver claims and cheap FA to continue to compete.  This needs to come at all of or parts of DL, DB, LB and RB. 

QB- Potentially the highest paid QB or one of the highest paid at least.  $45+million

RB- going to be utilizing rookie contracts and a low level veteran deal

WR- $120 million invested in starters, rookie/low veteran deals to fill out WR3/4/5

OL- Highest paid center, assuming he's back. 11th highest LT, 3rd highest RT.  Rookie deals on LG/RG assuming Jurgens is RG.

DT- Rookie deals for Davis, Williams, Tuipulotu.  

Edge- Reddick and Sweat are on very good deals when compared to the rest of the league.  Depth on rookie deals and potentially BG $6 million rumored.

LB- Dean is on 3rd round rookie deal.  

CB- 8th highest paid CB in Slay, surprisingly, Maddox is 29th highest as a slot CB.  CB2 will be rookie deal potentially

S- Blankenship and Wallace are rookie deals.

K- 11th highest paid kicker

P- Rookie/vet miniumum deal adddition?

 

 

When the Eagles lose some of these guys like Hargrave, CGJ, Bradberry, etc, expect some of them to take shots at the Eagles for not paying them.  It's because deep down they wanted to stay here and they're upset they can't.

Although I don't think Bradberry will say anything.  He seems like a professional classy dude.

 

2 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

 

I'm actually in the middle of watching that show right now.  Pretty funny.

44 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Or he'll call the Eagles scumbags and cheap because they didn't pay him.

Tbh it’s the one of the few times the eagles really don’t have the flexibility and ability to just pay everyone they value and likely covet. Especially with hurts extension coming. They likely have the ability to sign one big guy where they set the contract up right. I’m guessing the eagles don’t value the safety position as much to choose that position. I’m thinking if they do it’s likely DT/pass rusher. 

44 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Or he'll call the Eagles scumbags and cheap because they didn't pay him.

I don't think so.  They acquired CJGJ for a 2023 5th and a 2024 6th.  Both he and the Eagles know he's more valuable than that compensation from the Saints, but both parties agreed he was looking to enter free agency when the time came.

I believe Howie has given him a firm offer and told him he's welcome to come back if the market doesn't beat that offer.  That said, it seems like maximizing his earning potential with make the decision for him.  

41 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Have a feeling this guy is drafted by us - 

 

Do not want.  I don't think his on field performance matches his testing at all.