3 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

A couple potential free agent targets Desai worked with.

Adrian Amos, Poona Ford 

Just saying Amos was Fing awful last year. He’s also 30. 

7 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Traded up for a part time, rotational DT who was too overweight to make an impact series over series. He had endurance issues and didn’t make a noticeable difference IMO. If he loses some weight I think he will do better.

 

Being way too pessimistic on Davis.  More times than not defensive lineman take time to develop in the NFL.  I've heard nothing about endurance issues with him this past season either.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Curious question about Jalen Hurts.  Last year, one of my biggest critiques was the lack of passing TDs.  He had 16 in 2021 and 22 in 2022 so there was a definite improvement.  

At this point, do we care how he's getting his TDs?  Is it sustainable to expect him to have 10+ rushing TDs per year?  I think he's capable of throwing more and his numbers could also be a product of playcalling.  

Should passing TDs have any efffect on how much he gets paid or would those just be a performance escalator?

 

I think the natural evolution will be passing more this season and running less. But ultimately it's points that matter on offense however you get them. In theory if you had a QB that could run for 4 yards every single play and stayed healthy you'd be unstoppable

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Curious question about Jalen Hurts.  Last year, one of my biggest critiques was the lack of passing TDs.  He had 16 in 2021 and 22 in 2022 so there was a definite improvement.  

At this point, do we care how he's getting his TDs?  Is it sustainable to expect him to have 10+ rushing TDs per year? 

I care about EPA/play, EPA/Drive and total offensive success. A lot of Jalen's rushing TDs are on sneaks, which is sustainable given his style of play and our invest in the OL. 

I do think the goal should be less Hurts' carries in 2023 though. Let the man throw 

14 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

so who we signing to take over for Chauncey?  Adderley is a UFA, from Philly, and went to Delaware....  Maybe he wants to come home like Reddick

As a UD fan, I would love to bring Adderly in.  He's got great range and IMO, hasn't played up to his potential yet with SD.  

One of his most memorable plays at UD was when he absolutely trucked a New Hampshire player on a KR.  It's the first play on this video. 

 

DE - Graham, Sweat, Barnett,  Yannick Ngakoue (FA)

DT - Davis, Williams, Cox (team friendly deal), Adebawore (draft)
LB - Dean, Jack Campbell (Draft), Reddick
CB - Slay and Gonzalez (pick 10)
S - Nasir Adderley (FA) and Blankenship 

This keep us competitive? 

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Mahomes is on a whole other level though and sets his own standard. I don’t think any QB besides him could carry a team with a subpar defense that far consistently.

Dallas is very close to the Eagles despite many Eagles fans not wanting to admit it. Even a slight dip will put the cowboys above the Eagles next season.

Consistently?  If you want to take Mahomes and Brady out of the equation, then the Super Bowl winners on defense have been:

2021 -- Rams 15th

2017 -- Eagles 4th

2015 -- Broncos 4th

2013 -- Seahawks 1st

2012 -- Ravens 12th

2011 -- Giants 25th

2010 -- Packers 2nd

2009 -- Saints 20th

2008 -- Steelers 1st

2007 -- Giants 17th

2006 -- Colts 23rd

2005 -- Steelers 3rd

 

That's the past dozen Super Bowl winners that weren't Brady or Mahomes.  You almost always have to excel on one side of the ball at least, if not both.  There are half a dozen Super Bowl winners there -- half -- without a top 10 defense, though.  It's not an eliminating factor.

 

30 minutes ago, RLC said:

How many teams have gotten burned by letting 30 year old DTs and 30 year old CBs walk?

Exactly, the concern is overblown.

By far and away the strength of the defense, the group that made the defense what it was, was the passrush.  

We could address that in the draft and FA and not have that much of a dip, if at all.

We played an easy schedule full of bad QBs, the back end of the defense did not consistently hold up anyway. Im not that worried about it, I just want them to draft a stud at 10, either CB or passrusher.

3 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

DE - Graham, Sweat, Barnett,  Yannick Ngakoue (FA)

DT - Davis, Williams, Cox (team friendly deal), Adebawore (draft)
LB - Dean, Jack Campbell (Draft), Reddick
CB - Slay and Gonzalez (pick 10)
S - Nasir Adderley (FA) and Blankenship 

This keep us competitive? 

I’ll pass on adderley. Liked him coming out but he really hasn’t been all that good. Not that pff is the end all be all but their grades on him match accordingly to how he’s looked 

2019: 42.6

2020: 50.8

2021: 67.3

2022: 62.2

49 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I'm actually in the middle of watching that show right now.  Pretty funny.

Excellent show.  Sounds like the movie is actually happening.

43 minutes ago, RLC said:

How many teams have gotten burned by letting 30 year old DTs and 30 year old CBs walk?

DTs have maybe the highest shelf life of any offense/defense position beyond QB. Very often they’re dominant well into their 30’s. 
 

Buffalo got burned by letting Ted Washington leave when he was 32, he was first team all pro the next year, and played seven more seasons, starting 76 more games.

Buffalo again got burned, Pat Williams age 32 walked, similar story. Over the next 6 seasons in Minnesota he started 93 games and made 3 pro bowls. With Kevin Williams, Williams wall was best DT combo in the NFL during that time. 

Vince Wilfork was first team all pro after the age of 30 and started 15 games at the age of 35. You could say NE didn’t get burned because they weren’t stupid enough to let him go after 30, winning a SB with him at 33. He started every game that season.

Cameron Hayward is currently 33, has made 4 pro bowls and 3 all pros since his 30th birthday. Has missed 2 total games in his 30’s. Again, Pittsburgh didn’t make a mistake because they weren’t stupid enough to let him go. 

Even Suh, this was his age 35 season. He hadn’t missed a game since he was 24, and that was due to suspension. Started every game on a 2018 SB team at 31, and on a 2020 SB champion at 33. 6 sacks for that championship team (and again 6 the year after at 34), he was worth every penny. Lions sure could have used him the last 8 or so years he’s been gone.

DT’s arent a position that has to run a lot, they’re like Olineman. If they’re dominant and don’t have a bad injury history, they’ll be good for a lonnggg time.

16 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

 

This says more to me about the state of the league rules and throttling defenses back than anything else. It also means we need to adjust our expectations for what an elite nfl defense is. Years ago it was under 10 pts. It’s no longer that. 

11 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

DE - Graham, Sweat, Barnett,  Yannick Ngakoue (FA)

DT - Davis, Williams, Cox (team friendly deal), Adebawore (draft)
LB - Dean, Jack Campbell (Draft), Reddick
CB - Slay and Gonzalez (pick 10)
S - Nasir Adderley (FA) and Blankenship 

This keep us competitive? 

Love Yannick and am really surprised he’s not getting top money wherever he goes. This will be year 8 and he’s never had fewer than 8 sacks in a season. Productive and ultra reliable

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ll pass on adderley. Liked him coming out but he really hasn’t been all that good. Not that pff is the end all be all but their grades on him match accordingly to how he’s looked 

2019: 42.6

2020: 50.8

2021: 67.3

2022: 62.2

Correct.  I'd be fine with him not there are better options.  Rapp being one. 

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Consistently?  If you want to take Mahomes and Brady out of the equation, then the Super Bowl winners on defense have been:

2021 -- Rams 15th

2017 -- Eagles 4th

2015 -- Broncos 4th

2013 -- Seahawks 1st

2012 -- Ravens 12th

2011 -- Giants 25th

2010 -- Packers 2nd

2009 -- Saints 20th

2008 -- Steelers 1st

2007 -- Giants 17th

2006 -- Colts 23rd

2005 -- Steelers 3rd

 

That's the past dozen Super Bowl winners that weren't Brady or Mahomes.  You almost always have to excel on one side of the ball at least, if not both.  There are half a dozen Super Bowl winners there -- half -- without a top 10 defense, though.  It's not an eliminating factor.

 

I don’t think it’s eliminating overall, but for 2023 I think it will be for the Eagles. Not saying Eagles suck now, it’s over, but I’m saying I do think if the Eagles let those guys go, I think Dallas will probably win the division next season. They’re very good and it’s close and this division is tough. Eagles also play a first place schedule with lots of good QBs.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don’t think it’s eliminating overall, but for 2023 I think it will be for the Eagles. Not saying Eagles suck now, it’s over, but I’m saying I do think if the Eagles let those guys go, I think Dallas will probably win the division next season. They’re very good and it’s close and this division is tough. Eagles also play a first place schedule with lots of good QBs.

Eagles and Dallas have an identical schedule other than the 3 flex games. 

 

The Eagles 3 games are at Chiefs, home to Minnesota, at Tampa Bay.  2-1 IMO

The Turds 3 games are at Carolina, home to Detroit, at the Chargers.  Can they sweep those?  I have my doubts.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Eagles and Dallas have an identical schedule other than the 3 flex games. 

 

The Eagles 3 games are at Chiefs, home to Minnesota, at Tampa Bay.  2-1 IMO

The Turds 3 games are at Carolina, home to Detroit, at the Chargers.  Can they sweep those?  I have my doubts.

Maybe not, but that was just one part of it. I think both teams are very close. And even a slight dip puts the Cowboys ahead. Basically, I think over the next few seasons whoever has the better offseason between the Cowboys and Eagles is going to win the division. Last offseason Dallas lost Amari Cooper, the Eagles added a lot, the Eagles won. This year, if the Eagles lose a lot and Dallas adds another WR(like Hopkins or something) and Dallas usually always drafts well, I think Dallas wins the division.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Eagles and Dallas have an identical schedule other than the 3 flex games. 

 

The Eagles 3 games are at Chiefs, home to Minnesota, at Tampa Bay.  2-1 IMO

The Turds 3 games are at Carolina, home to Detroit, at the Chargers.  Can they sweep those?  I have my doubts.

I'd argue that Dallas schedule is then harder than ours

Chiefs > Carolina advantage Cowboys

Detroit > Minnesota
Chargers > TB 

^ Advantage Birds 

I’m not terribly upset about the CJGJ possible news. Howie should be building a team that will be peaking in 2024-2025 and not trying to keep the 2022 team together (I’m of the thought that 2023 is already a lost cause — this team isn’t winning a championship next year). In light of that, I’m OK with short term fixes at safety while we rebuild the rest of the defense.

Meanwhile, I hope the fanbase is prepping for what I suspect will be a difficult year. It’s just the nature of things.

I like CJGJ's attitude and play, and he definitely was a ballhawk this year. But at $13mm-plus per? You let him walk -- he's not worth that. Slay, draft pick, Maddox, FA and Blankenship can work. Maybe Epps on a cheap deal. As for Hargrave, you have to let him walk if the number is really around $20mm. I'd honestly see if Suh or Joseph want to play a full year.

38 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

DE - Graham, Sweat, Barnett,  Yannick Ngakoue (FA)

DT - Davis, Williams, Cox (team friendly deal), Adebawore (draft)
LB - Dean, Jack Campbell (Draft), Reddick
CB - Slay and Gonzalez (pick 10)
S - Nasir Adderley (FA) and Blankenship 

This keep us competitive? 

Need more youth at DE. Someone for Graham to groom. Can’t keep kicking that can down the road.

1 minute ago, Thrive said:

I’m not terribly upset about the CJGJ possible news. Howie should be building a team that will be peaking in 2024-2025 and not trying to keep the 2022 team together (I’m of the thought that 2023 is already a lost cause — this team isn’t winning a championship next year). In light of that, I’m OK with short term fixes at safety while we rebuild the rest of the defense.

Meanwhile, I hope the fanbase is prepping for what I suspect will be a difficult year. It’s just the nature of things.

Why in the world is that an acceptable attitude when we almost just won a Super Bowl not even a month ago?

I don't know how good or not good Jordan Davis is going to be. It's obviously a wait and see.

But if the best defense you have of a player is showing some other player was a late bloomer, then there's not a lot of positive things to say about your player.

Ideally, the defense would be "Man, Jordan Davis totally wrecked the game vs the ____, he just was inconsistent" or "Jordan Davis showed the ability to get consistent pressure on limited snaps, he just needs more snaps and he'll be a beast."

Jordan Davis did jack crap this past season. For a guy they traded up for, major disappointment. Now maybe he does blossom like Dexter Lawrence. But the guy was a 4 year college player, who never at one point, displayed pass rush production. And played in an all-time college defense. I never saw it with that guy in college. He was all combine measurables and athetic traits, with not nearly as much substance to match. I remember saying last year at this time I didn't want the guy. Now granted, in fairness to the Eagles there weren't a ton of obvious options at that spot with Jameson Williams, the CBs, and Thibodeaux all gone. It was basically Davis or Hamilton. But I can't say I have any confidence in Jordan Davis. If I had to bet every penny I had right now on Davis either being a really good NFL player or a bust, I'll bet bust.

29 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

This says more to me about the state of the league rules and throttling defenses back than anything else. It also means we need to adjust our expectations for what an elite nfl defense is. Years ago it was under 10 pts. It’s no longer that. 

If you look at our last 2 Super Bowl appearances (playing at the highest level) both ended up being offensive slugfests   (At least for us, seems as if great offenses trump even good defenses (ours this year) at the highest level of the game (Super Bowl).
 

 Good/great defenses can get you through a season and most of the playoffs but if they’re facing a great offense (with great offensive coaching) offenses take over at the Super Bowl level.  (At least in our past 2 Super Bowls) 

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

Why in the world is that an acceptable attitude when we almost just won a Super Bowl not even a month ago?

Yeah, I don't see a difficult year when the offense should still be a top 5-10 unit.  The defense just has to not be bad.

The schedule rotation will mean the division as a whole will be 1-2 games worse than last season; we don't get to kick around the NFC North and AFC South again next year -- but let's worry about winning the division first, and seeding later.