Voorhees too

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

 

-Porter Jr slides into CB2.

-Downs replaces Watkins as an actual slot WR. Fans will hate spending a high pick on a WR again but this trio would be dangerous.

-Adebawore & Tippmann train behind Graham & Kelce. This allows Jurgens to slide over to RG (Huge fan of Tippmann who also has experience at tackle).

-Brooks adds to DT rotation and has solid upside.

-Hodges-Tomlinson gives Dessai flexibility with Maddox to move to safety. No more Josiah Scott please.

-McBride is a workhorse, easily replaces Sanders week 1.

All in all you get at least 2-3 day one starters IMO. Maybe 4-5 depending on who is signed in FA at S, RG.

I like your approach, but am surprised at the Porter pick.  I have him as no better than CB #4 after Gonzalez, Witherspoon and Banks.  Pretty far behind those three.

Why would you choose Tippmann over Cody Mauch, who was likely to have been on the Board at 62?

Your 2-3 day one starters comment confuses me.  I see only one … Porter.  Who are the others? WR3 isn’t a starter. Nickel CB isn’t a starter.  Are you starting McBride?  All the others are backups.  Help me out of my confusion.

39 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I like your approach, but am surprised at the Porter pick.  I have him as no better than CB #4 after Gonzalez, Witherspoon and Banks.  Pretty far behind those three.

Why would you choose Tippmann over Cody Mauch, who was likely to have been on the Board at 62?

Your 2-3 day one starters comment confuses me.  I see only one … Porter.  Who are the others? WR3 isn’t a starter. Nickel CB isn’t a starter.  Are you starting McBride?  All the others are backups.  Help me out of my confusion.

Interesting thoughts. I’m a lot higher on Porter than you are I guess. I have him above Banks. I find myself trading back from 10 if Gonzalez/Witherspoon are gone.

I just happened to catch a video about Tippmann and he piqued my interest quite a bit. Mauch was gone before I picked. He’s going in the 40s in my mocks.

2-3 starters would be Porter, McBride, and I included Downs. If you don’t include a slot then it would be 2. However, should Kelce retire and we address RG in draft, Tippmann (or Mauch) would start at either C/RG.

When I look at starters, I mean top name on depth chart at position - not just base 11 packages on offense/defense. I was including slots on both sides in other words. 

I expect WLB and safety to be taken care of via FA FWIW.

4 hours ago, uncphillyfan said:

All we need on offense is a running back so fa and the draft should be all d. 

I’d also like to see a Quez upgrade in either FA or the draft, and bring Pascal back. 

3 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

What are the thoughts on Torrence if he's there at Pick 30?

Dude is a 6'5" 330 lb road grater of an OG

I’d be much more interested in Avila from TCU. Fits the mold of athletic guard more than Torrence. 

54 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I like your approach, but am surprised at the Porter pick.  I have him as no better than CB #4 after Gonzalez, Witherspoon and Banks.  Pretty far behind those three.

Why would you choose Tippmann over Cody Mauch, who was likely to have been on the Board at 62?

Your 2-3 day one starters comment confuses me.  I see only one … Porter.  Who are the others? WR3 isn’t a starter. Nickel CB isn’t a starter.  Are you starting McBride?  All the others are backups.  Help me out of my confusion.

WR3 might as well be a starter. On the field, what — 70% of the time?

My bigger issue is two fold:

 

First, I don’t think he could step in as WR2 if one of our top guys get injured. If I’m using another high pick on a WR, they need to be able to step up from the slot to a boundary receiver and I’m not sure Downs is that guy.

Second, because we have so many offensive targets in the passing game, I need someone who is fast. Downs has acceptable speed, but he isn’t going to terrorize DBs and push safety coverage backwards. Again, if we are using a high pick on a WR, that’s what I want.

Frankly, I’d just as soon take Gibbs there. You can use him in the slot, he has game breaking speed, and he’d fill the need at RB while also making our offense more dynamic and harder to game plan for.

1 hour ago, Iggles25 said:

🤣 I called him a road grater. He shreds cheese in his spare time.

But you're right, his skillset doesn't match.

There are some mid round prospects that might fit that mold. Avila and Stromberg come to mind.

I shred cheese in my spare time. Cut it too.

11 minutes ago, TEW said:

WR3 might as well be a starter. On the field, what — 70% of the time?

My bigger issue is two fold:

 

First, I don’t think he could step in as WR2 if one of our top guys get injured. If I’m using another high pick on a WR, they need to be able to step up from the slot to a boundary receiver and I’m not sure Downs is that guy.

Second, because we have so many offensive targets in the passing game, I need someone who is fast. Downs has acceptable speed, but he isn’t going to terrorize DBs and push safety coverage backwards. Again, if we are using a high pick on a WR, that’s what I want.

Frankly, I’d just as soon take Gibbs there. You can use him in the slot, he has game breaking speed, and he’d fill the need at RB while also making our offense more dynamic and harder to game plan for.

Different role. We could have both a burner and slot behind AJ/Smith where burner is outside and Downs is inside. We’ve lacked a true slot for a while.

 

 

F their algorithm saying Charbonnet is a C+ at the end of R2. You get starters here in Witherspoon, Charbonnet, Robinson…big rotational pieces with Felix, Turner…a big upgrade at WR3 and KR/PR…depth on the OL (I like Mafi)…a groomable QB…and additional mid round picks for next year (which along with our comp picks will give us a lot of ammo in 24 for moves up).

I would not be upset at all if something like this were to occur. 
 

18 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

 

F their algorithm saying Charbonnet is a C+ at the end of R2. You get starters here in Witherspoon, Charbonnet, Robinson…big rotational pieces with Felix, Turner…a big upgrade at WR3 and KR/PR…depth on the OL (I like Mafi)…a groomable QB…and additional mid round picks for next year (which along with our comp picks will give us a lot of ammo in 24 for moves up).

I would not be upset at all if something like this were to occur. 
 

We’re going to have so many picks next year I wouldn’t be shocked to see Howie borrow from 2024 during the draft for move ups/additional day 3 picks 

Would gizz.

11 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I think if you were really to do a tell-all, open the books investigation into the NFL, you'd find that they're one of the dirtiest organizations out there. One of the reasons why I think Goodell gets paid so handsomely is because he does a lot of dirty work for the owners. And there is an implicit leverage he has with the owners where he can basically say, "I do this for you all, so I want this salary and these benefits in return." 

Most of these owners are slime-balls, but when you start treading with billionaires most of them are dirty and sly to a degree. 

I think the field being " OVERWATERED " by several professional groundskeepers for the biggest game of the year was done purposely to make the game far more interesting otherwise over by the half. It’s a business decision

11 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

I think the field being " OVERWATERED " by several professional groundskeepers for the biggest game of the year was done purposely to make the game far more interesting otherwise over by the half. It’s a business decision

Seeing the Eagles DL and RBs sliding all over that field will always be there. Especially with the DL. They negated an all time pass rush.

The NFL product was tainted that night.

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

Different role. We could have both a burner and slot behind AJ/Smith where burner is outside and Downs is inside. We’ve lacked a true slot for a while.

OK, but where are we getting these guys? Part of the reason to take a WR high is because we could offload Watkins and save money. But then he fits that speed guy. So now we’re either keeping Watkins and pushing him down the depth chart or signing/drafting another receiver.

It just seems like a lot of personnel movement when we need so much help elsewhere.

If all we want is a true slot WR, then I think we should be looking later in the draft or UDFA.

2 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Seeing the Eagles DL and RBs sliding all over that field will always be there. Especially with the DL. They negated an all time pass rush.

The NFL product was tainted that night.

Just business

1 minute ago, The guy in France said:

Just business

It was Mahomes and KC's night.

We were just lucky to be there I suppose.

1 hour ago, TEW said:

WR3 might as well be a starter. On the field, what — 70% of the time?

My bigger issue is two fold:

First, I don’t think he could step in as WR2 if one of our top guys get injured. If I’m using another high pick on a WR, they need to be able to step up from the slot to a boundary receiver and I’m not sure Downs is that guy.

Second, because we have so many offensive targets in the passing game, I need someone who is fast. Downs has acceptable speed, but he isn’t going to terrorize DBs and push safety coverage backwards. Again, if we are using a high pick on a WR, that’s what I want.

Frankly, I’d just as soon take Gibbs there. You can use him in the slot, he has game breaking speed, and he’d fill the need at RB while also making our offense more dynamic and harder to game plan for.

Good points … very good.  I’ve been trying to get Gibbs into my mocks, but almost always he goes before my second round pick, which usually is in the mid 40s (a pick I’ve received from a trade down at 10 because Witherspoon and Gonzalez are both off the Board when 10 is the pick.  The trade down from 30 to 38 is an interesting scenario that allows us to get Gibbs.  In the "2023 Greatest Show on Turf” approach to the season where the shortcomings of the Defense are overcome by the tsunami of the Offense, Gibbs is a very promising piece.  A RB quartet of Gainwell, Gibbs, McBride and Sermon is one I’d be very happy to watch

Regarding the WR2 vulnerability you’ve described, what would your plan be to mitigate that?

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

Different role. We could have both a burner and slot behind AJ/Smith where burner is outside and Downs is inside. We’ve lacked a true slot for a while.

Who is the burner in that scenario?

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

We’re going to have so many picks next year I wouldn’t be shocked to see Howie borrow from 2024 during the draft for move ups/additional day 3 picks 

I hope we don’t borrow. The value is generally terrible. It only makes sense IMO to get these guys with 1-2 years left on their rookie deal who have proven what they can do and will yield you a comp pick when you let them walk.

If we want more draft ammo is just trade down with one or both of our firsts.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Good points … very good.  I’ve been trying to get Gibbs into my mocks, but almost always he goes before my second round pick, which usually is in the mid 40s (a pick I’ve received from a trade down at 10 because Witherspoon and Gonzalez are both off the Board when 10 is the pick.  The trade down from 30 to 38 is an interesting scenario that allows us to get Gibbs.  In the "2023 Greatest Show on Turf” approach to the season where the shortcomings of the Defense are overcome by the tsunami of the Offense, Gibbs is a very promising piece.  A RB quartet of Gainwell, Gibbs, McBride and Sermon is one I’d be very happy to watch

Regarding the WR2 vulnerability you’ve described, what would your plan be to mitigate that?

I honestly think Gibbs might go before #30. Someone is going to see 4.3 speed with receiving skills and crazy open field moves and have the same thoughts I’m having on how dynamic he might become. Doubly so for teams with a running threat at QB.

I mean, imagine being a DC and deciding what personnel groupings to use against our 11 package. Do you go 3 CBs and 3 safeties? I think you’d get killed in the run game. 5 DBs and you’re going to have to put a LB on Gibbs or Goedert. And we could spread you out and just run Hurts.

I think the Eagles need to evaluate him and decide if he’s a major difference maker. We really haven’t had anything like him here. Westbrook and Sproles were close, but neither were true burners. I’m imagining a world where Gibbs can run go routes against safeties and LBs. A true weapon at WR.

If we think he’s Faulk light and can do these kind of things then I’d just take him at 30. Why potentially miss out on a guy who can truly change the dynamic of your entire offense over what amounts to a mid round pick worth of value?

And if we don’t think he’s that type of game changer then I’d pass entirely because I’m not using a first or second on a RB who doesn’t bring something special to the offense. That’s one reason I’m not interested in Bijan. Great RB prospect and will almost certainly have a long, productive career, but he’s basically a RB who does all of the normal running back things at a really high level — not a RB who does non RB things at a high level. Maybe look at Achane, Mitchell or Vaughn later in the draft for some explosiveness.

On the boundary receiver, I’d be interested in a 4th or 5th kind of high potential prospect. I’d get a big body with athleticism. I like the kid from Princeton. Mingo is interesting. Someone like that. I feel as if you can find a decent slot fairly easily, but outside receivers are tough. And we really only have one big body in Brown. So if we’re using premium draft capital, he better be able to move outside. 

Just now, TEW said:

I honestly think Gibbs might go before #30. Someone is going to see 4.3 speed with receiving skills and crazy open field moves and have the same thoughts I’m having on how dynamic he might become. Doubly so for teams with a running threat at QB.

I mean, imagine being a DC and deciding what personnel groupings to use against our 11 package. Do you go 3 CBs and 3 safeties? I think you’d get killed in the run game. 5 DBs and you’re going to have to put a LB on Gibbs or Goedert. And we could spread you out and just run Hurts.

I think the Eagles need to evaluate him and decide if he’s a major difference maker. We really haven’t had anything like him here. Westbrook and Sproles were close, but neither were true burners. I’m imagining a world where Gibbs can run go routes against safeties and LBs. A true weapon at WR.

If we think he’s Faulk light and can do these kind of things then I’d just take him at 30. Why potentially miss out on a guy who can truly change the dynamic of your entire offense over what amounts to a mid round pick worth of value?

And if we don’t think he’s that type of game changer then I’d pass entirely because I’m not using a first or second on a RB who doesn’t bring something special to the offense. That’s one reason I’m not interested in Bijan. Great RB prospect and will almost certainly have a long, productive career, but he’s basically a RB who does all of the normal running back things at a really high level — not a RB who does non RB things at a high level. Maybe look at Achane, Mitchell or Vaughn later in the draft for some explosiveness.

On the boundary receiver, I’d be interested in a 4th or 5th kind of high potential prospect. I’d get a big body with athleticism. I like the kid from Princeton. Mingo is interesting. Someone like that. I feel as if you can find a decent slot fairly easily, but outside receivers are tough. And we really only have one big body in Brown. So if we’re using premium draft capital, he better be able to move outside. 

Using the 30 to 38 trade I got the following.  Gotta love the grades on Gibbs and McBride.

I personally would choose Kendra Miller rather than McBride, but I went with the aforementioned RB corps of Gainwell Gibbs McBride and Sermon.

I wanted Derrius Davis as a WR/PR but he went earlier than my picks.

 

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Using the 30 to 38 trade I got the following.  Gotta love the grades on Gibbs and McBride.

I personally would choose Kendra Miller rather than McBride, but I went with the aforementioned RB corps of Gainwell Gibbs McBride and Sermon.

I wanted Derrius Davis as a WR/PR but he went earlier than my picks.

 

The pick value chart puts #30 at 620 points and #38 at 520, which corresponds to #100 overall. You can probably get a solid contributor at #100, but the way I view Gibbs is kind of an all or nothing evaluation: if you’re in, it’s because you’re convinced he transforms your entire offense, in which case to hell with #100.

I’d love to get Davis at the end of the draft. He’s a perfect example of why I wouldn’t spend premium capital on Downs. If Downs ran a 4.35 and had DeSean Jackson type of explosive potential, I’d think differently.

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

The pick value chart puts #30 at 620 points and #38 at 520, which corresponds to #100 overall. You can probably get a solid contributor at #100, but the way I view Gibbs is kind of an all or nothing evaluation: if you’re in, it’s because you’re convinced he transforms your entire offense, in which case to hell with #100.

I’d love to get Davis at the end of the draft. He’s a perfect example of why I wouldn’t spend premium capital on Downs. If Downs ran a 4.35 and had DeSean Jackson type of explosive potential, I’d think differently.

I looked back and Davis went at 241 so I’d have gotten him if I pushed Tune back to the last pick.  If Tune was gone in that scenario I’d have chosen Dorian Thompson-Robinson.

2 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Would gizz.

Best one i've seen

5 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

We’re going to have so many picks next year I wouldn’t be shocked to see Howie borrow from 2024 during the draft for move ups/additional day 3 picks 

I was thinking this too.  We could also save them and use them next year if Marvin Harrison Jr. is anyhwere near attainable.