1 hour ago, RLC said:

Neither Gannon, nor Schwartz liked playing rookies. It's one of the things that hurt our cap.

Playing rookies requires patience and living with mistakes as they figure it out. But at least we got to see Kyzir White play this year!

Schwartz loved Jalen Mills.  Why? Don't know.  He was solid within 10 yards of the LOS but would constantly get beat.

 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

I'm not sure what his reason is, but for me, it's because this defense is desperately looking for true leadership. I can't promise you it will come from Dean, but I can promise you it didn't come from any of last year's starters. We had a lot of good players, but nobody assumed the leader role. Nobody embodied the defense. We give up a score and our players walk off smiling and laughing. 

 

Brandon Graham was probably the biggest vocal guy.  We know he doesn't shut up.

I just realized reading Roobs article about the game that he, Milton Williams, Suh, Joseph and JD didn't really play much.

They relied on Sweat, Reddick, Cox and Hargrave most of the game instead of rotating guys and keeping them fresh.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I would argue against this being the best defense we ever had.  1991 says hello.  That defense was still significantly better than this defense.  Sorry.

"more talented defense than the best we ever had." 

I'm reading this as an acknowledgement that '91 was better, but that this year was more talented. I think '91 starters were more talented overall but '22 might be deeper.

I don't think every defense needs a Dawk showboating for the fans.  No offense to Dawk.  Leadership, guidance, and stability can be quiet too.  Everyone loves the guy storming up and down the sidelines screaming...and that's fine too, but it's not the only way to do it.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Is Hooker older than hurts?

He is

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

His Arizona defenses were nothing to write home about. 

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Keep trying to tell people 

we dont/wont have the cap to do another AJ deal. 30 is a valuable pick we need. Would only swap for a first in 24 plus some picks

I’d disagree with that cause if it’s someone howie covets at a premium position I think he’d restructure guys to make the money to get him. Hypothetically if there’s a pass rusher who is relatively young and becomes available for pick 30 i would highly doubt howie says I’m out due to cap. The question is more is there a player who becomes available that is worth the 30th overall pick at a position they need. I’m guessing it’s less likely that occurs. I look at it this way, if howie is willing to allocate the money to hargrave but rather go younger if someone becomes available via trade i don’t think he’d hesitate to do so for a 25-27 year old guy with that pick. 

7 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

"more talented defense than the best we ever had." 

I'm reading this as an acknowledgement that '91 was better, but that this year was more talented. I think '91 starters were more talented overall but '22 might be deeper.

I would also argue against this defense being more talented than 1991.  Again... sorry.

Reggie White was the greatest DL of all-time.  Clyde Simmons was a stud and multiple year Pro Bowler.  Jerome Brown was a guy on pace for a Hall of Fame career before he died tragically.  Mike Pitts was as solid a DT as the Eagles have had.. and Golic was a solid backup rotational guy.  

At LB, I'd take that year's trio of Joyner, Evans and rookie William Thomas over any combination of LBs you want to compile from this team.

And in the secondary, people forget just how talented Ben Smith was before his knee injury.  I'd take Allen and Smith over Slay and Bradberry.  And at safety, Hopkins and Waters again over Epps and CJGJ.

 

Maybe its nostalgia speaking, but then again... that defense literally carried dead weight for an offense to a 10 win season, back when the NFC East was the NFC Beast.  They had worse than the 49ers garbage situation at QB that year.  The likes of Brad Goebel, Pat Ryan, Jeff Kemp... just a litany of horrible QB play, playing behind one of the worst OLs ever assembled... with the starting OTs that year being Antone Davis and Cecil Gray, with the un-steroid swolled Ron Solt at RG.  

 

I just don't see this defense as more talented, especially at the AGES of the 'talent' that we had, specifically along the DL.  They had to have that depth because those guys couldn't be that effective playing more snaps.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d disagree with that cause if it’s someone howie covets at a premium position I think he’d restructure guys to make the money to get him. Hypothetically if there’s a pass rusher who is relatively young and becomes available for pick 30 i would highly doubt howie says I’m out due to cap. The question is more is there a player who becomes available that is worth the 30th overall pick at a position they need. I’m guessing it’s less likely that occurs. 

This is the second time in five years that Howie went all in on trades/free agency moves and both times it led to the team either winning or getting to the Super Bowl. It would be hard for him to not realize that trend. I think he knows that's his strength and probably the best route to success. I know you can't make moves like he did with Brown last year every year, but it's pretty clear that he's more successful going that route instead of drafting immediate impact players who are significant contributors year one. You usually have to wait several years to judge his drafts. I think that will definitely be the case with the 2022 one, due to guys like Davis, Jurgens, and Dean who are still in development. 2018 was his best draft in a while, and it took multiple years for us to see the value of guys like Goedert, Maddox, Sweat, and Mailata. 

46 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

OL needs to stay healthy or be more equipped to deal with personnel shuffling if they don't.  That's my biggest concern for next year.  I don't like our odds of having 5 of 5 starting OL intact for the playoffs next year.

Honestly, the OL wasn't great in the NFCCG/SB. You could see the wear and tear on Dickerson in the SB, especially in the run game.

We had our LG play with a bad elbow and our RT could barely anchor. 

We might be healthier next year.

Available is not the same thing as healthy.

20 hours ago, austinfan said:

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Slay and Bradberry would not be all pro behind an average pass rushing D-line, they'd be above average but no more.

And CGJ is a bit erratic, a playmaker but inexperienced at FS. Epps struggles in coverage, Maddox was hobbled and Scott just isn't a good nickel back.

One reason I'm not worried about Bradberry leaving in FA is I think the Eagles got his "good season" out of him.

The talent in the back seven was solid overall, but nothing special.

Obviously not an exaggeration since Slay has made 4-5 previous pro bowls (without this defensive line).

 

Not sure what your agenda is but blaming the secondary because Gannon was not able to adjust to Andy Reid’s game plan and Patrick Mahomes’ execution of Andy Reid’s gameplan is laughable. 
 

There were LITERALLY players NOT covered on multiple touchdowns by the Chiefs.

Inexcusable. 

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

This is the second time in five years that Howie went all in on trades/free agency moves and both times it led to the team either winning or getting to the Super Bowl. It would be hard for him to not realize that trend. I think he knows that's his strength and probably the best route to success. I know you can't make moves like he did with Brown last year every year, but it's pretty clear that he's more successful going that route instead of drafting immediate impact players who are significant contributors year one. You usually have to wait several years to judge his drafts. I think that will definitely be the case with the 2022 one, due to guys like Davis, Jurgens, and Dean who are still in development. 2018 was his best draft in a while, and it took multiple years for us to see the value of guys like Goedert, Maddox, Sweat, and Mailata. 

I just kind of look at it this way, if there is a player that how he highly covets that at a premium position i think he finds the money and space to do it. I think the question is more is someone like that going to become available. I’m not so sure a player like that at a position that he finds highly valuable becomes available for a pick 30. I think the AJ Brown situation was more unique and you still give up a higher pick than 30. The problem is even if you wanted to give up 30 for the guy it might not be good enough. Somebody might have a higher pick to give up for that player.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Obviously not an exaggeration since Slay has made 4-5 previous pro bowls (without this defensive line).

 

Not sure what your agenda is but blaming the secondary because Gannon was not able to adjust to Andy Reid’s game plan and Patrick Mahomes’ execution of Andy Reid’s gameplan is laughable. 
 

There were LITERALLY players NOT covered on multiple touchdowns by the Chiefs.

Inexcusable. 

Pro bowl is not a measuring stick of any kind. Tyler Huntley added a pro bowl appearance to his resume this year. 

17 minutes ago, Thrive said:

His Arizona defenses were nothing to write home about. 

Sheil brought him up on his podcast and mentioned that he made Kingsbury a bunch of money with top 10 defenses in 2020 and 2021 that didn’t have that much talent. 

32 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Brandon Graham was probably the biggest vocal guy.  We know he doesn't shut up.

I just realized reading Roobs article about the game that he, Milton Williams, Suh, Joseph and JD didn't really play much.

They relied on Sweat, Reddick, Cox and Hargrave most of the game instead of rotating guys and keeping them fresh.

No idea why they did that when they were ineffective most of the game.

 

Super Bowl Snap Counts:

 

NFCCG:

 

Divisional:

39 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Would need to know what reddick thinks of him

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

No idea why they did that when they were ineffective most of the game.

 

Super Bowl Snap Counts:

 

NFCCG:

 

Divisional:

Cox playing 82% of the snaps is not good. Love fletcher for what he was but at this stage he shouldn’t be playing that percentage of snaps. I can at least understand the other 3 having that high. I’d still like a better rotation with Williams, suh and graham involved. 

I'd take a look at Brian Belichick. 

6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Would need to know what reddick thinks of him

Lol. Sheil said the same thing. He did note that Reddick had 10 sacks in his final year there with Joseph. 

 

So for those of you who came out to the Super Bowl you are lucky for the good weather then. Snow last night into this morning out here in Arizona 

If Juan Castillo was our DC in that game instead of Gannon we would be Superbowl champs right now.

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol. Sheil said the same thing. He did note that Reddick had 10 sacks in his final year there with Joseph. 

We have the personnel to run Vance's system, but it's the complete opposite of what we do now. It's all blitz, all the time. We would probably have to draft a CB at 10 to make it really work. 

39 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d disagree with that cause if it’s someone howie covets at a premium position I think he’d restructure guys to make the money to get him. Hypothetically if there’s a pass rusher who is relatively young and becomes available for pick 30 i would highly doubt howie says I’m out due to cap. The question is more is there a player who becomes available that is worth the 30th overall pick at a position they need. I’m guessing it’s less likely that occurs. I look at it this way, if howie is willing to allocate the money to hargrave but rather go younger if someone becomes available via trade i don’t think he’d hesitate to do so for a 25-27 year old guy with that pick. 

Its not just the pick. Its the contract differential when the pick has three cheap years