31 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Maddox was much better.  Overall, I thought GJ was okay.  Too much emphasis on the interceptions in grading him.  Epps seems worse to most in here but that is primarily because he drew the deep position more. If I was going to sign one of our FA Ss, it would be Epps.  (cheaper and a smart player). He is a heady player.  Epps was Bradberry’s safety net a lot.  (Note that Bradberry is an excellent zone CB with real nice man match tendencies that made it easier on the Ss than Nelson).  That said, CJGJ was good in the box and working with the LBs when the Eagles seemed to be playing Cover 4 MOD.  Gannon/Wilson have a tendency to play the Ss downhill.  

I didn’t think Wilson did a good job disguising coverages.   Suspect we will see more of that with Desai.  Real curious about who replaces Wilson. 
 

That was my suspicion.  I don’t think good in the box, ok in coverage, and a likely irreproducible INT total justify a mega contract at S.

I always thought Maddox projected exceptionally well at safety…

If you keep Epps and use Maddox in that role, then we can just pummel the CB position in a pretty deep and talented draft.

4 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

No one would trade for Quez, let’s be realistic here

It was hypothetical, however, I could see a team trading a 5th or 6th for him. That’s not that crazy of an idea. He has legit speed and two years experience in one of the top offenses in the NFL

Just now, Texas Eagle said:

It was hypothetical, however, I could see a team trading a 5th or 6th for him. That’s not that crazy of an idea. He has legit speed and two years experience in one of the top offenses in the NFL

Unless we bring in multiple worthwhile receivers, Quez has more value to the 2023 eagles than a 5th-6th round pick

3 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Unless we bring in multiple worthwhile receivers, Quez has more value to the 2023 eagles than a 5th-6th round pick

They wouldn’t trade him without a viable replacement. Especially since they might be losing Pascal too. Now that I type this out we’re extremely top heavy and our depth is pretty abysmal at WR. Need to upgrade there either way. If AJ or Smith go down we’re screwed.

19 minutes ago, TEW said:

I think Gibbs starts coming into play around 25. If we want him it has to be at 30. I have been banging the drum about him, but I don’t think we can afford to trade up for him.

I could even see as high as the Commanders at 17 as a sleeper. Robinson and Gibbs could be a very good duo. They have Samuel who may be redundant but if he is moved/cut those chances greatly increase. Then Buffalo, Cincy, Baltimore, Tampa, Minnesota (if Cook is moved) as the other potentials. Cincy may move Mixon) I think Gibbs could play a serious role out of the slot as well for us. Dual threat weapon. 

Not that it really matters, but I think we’re likely to lose Pascal, and I’d place my money on him becoming a Panther. There is the obvious Reich connection, but since they traded Moore they have a wide open WR room and he’ll have way more of an opportunity in the passing game than if he were to stay here in a glorified JJAW role. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not that it really matters, but I think we’re likely to lose Pascal, and I’d place my money on him becoming a Panther. There is the obvious Reich connection, but since they traded Moore they have a wide open WR room and he’ll have way more of an opportunity in the passing game than if he were to stay here in a glorified JJAW role. 

Those destinations make sense - he had career low production here and even if he got ahead of Quez on the depth chart, there isn't a ton of opportunity behind AJ/Smitty/Goedert/Hurts legs.

 

 

57 minutes ago, TEW said:

Let me go on the record that I believe I was the first person who suggested trading Hurts as an option.

And for me, at least, it’s still an option.

If someone offers a godfather deal, I’m taking it. It’s nothing against Hurts. He’s done everything anyone could have ever asked of him. He’s worked his arse off to become one of the best players in the NFL. A true MVP candidate and all-pro level player.

But the fact is this: as good as Hurts is, his contract is going to make it very difficult to put a deep, talented team on the field. And his play style has a relatively high probability of resulting in an injury.

For me the goal isn’t to have a great QB. The goal is to win a Super Bowl. Having a great QB is correlated with winning a Super Bowl, but I’m not sure Hurts is going to out QB Mahomes with equal talent around him.

Given that, if someone offers me 3 firsts+ I’m definitely considering it. That’s not me hating Hurts, I actually really like him and am incredibly impressed with him as a player and person. But I have to be dispassionate and do what’s in the best interest of the team to win a Super Bowl. Getting a slew of draft picks plus an extra $40+ million in cap space per year over the next 4-6 years might give us a better chance at a Super Bowl.

 

 

It's such a dumb take.  It really is.  You people act like QBs getting big contracts is now just a recent development in the NFL.  Go get rid of a great franchise MVP level QB capable of winning a Super Bowl so you can load up on talent and go have early playoff exits every year when you then are stuck with a QB like Dak or Cousins.  It's like we didn't witness this the talented team last year with a QB other than Jalen.  We saw it for 2 games and we went 0-2.  Meanwhile Jalen played in 18 games last year and went 16-2 with the only two losses being a game everything was going wrong with various players on offense fumbling in a freak loss to Washington and then the Super Bowl where Jalen lit it up but the defense offered no resistance to Mahomes in the second half.  

Cap is always going up.  Every time a QB signs a big deal people are amazed by how much they are making and then 2-3 years later the amount they were signed for no longer looks that big because as the cap continues to rise so does the what players are paid.

 

I thank God so much that none of you people are involved in the Eagles FO.  The same group of people that would have traded a "godfather" offer last year for Watson or Wilson.

19 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That was my suspicion.  I don’t think good in the box, ok in coverage, and a likely irreproducible INT total justify a mega contract at S.

I always thought Maddox projected exceptionally well at safety…

If you keep Epps and use Maddox in that role, then we can just pummel the CB position in a pretty deep and talented draft.

Not sure i see a huge difference in an epps/maddox tandem over a maddox/blankenship duo, especially since epps will cost around $7 million a year. 

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

You are so simple minded … and racist.  When you make a dollars and cents investment you also take into consideration the risk that the house (your choice of metaphorical equivalent) will burn to the ground and in the process deprive you of your best Fing house on the block.

As desertbirds said I’m wasting my time trying to talk about the economics of business alternatives with you.  You think only with your Dick.  God gave you a Dick and a brain, but only enough blood to run one at a time.

 

I'm racist? What?  Pointing out your total hypocrisy that you think the Eagles should trade Hurts because of the contract he will get but don't think the Bengals should trade Burrow because of the contract he will get makes me a racist?  How does that even make sense?  Where is race even coming from into this discussion at all?  Just blows my mind.  

 

The economics and business alternatives are exactly the same for the Bengals and Eagles.  They operate under the same salary cap.  You're a hypocrite.  Your whole argument only applies to one great young franchise QB and not to another.  You just flat out don't respect and appreciate what Jalen Hurts brings to this team.  

Ugh

55 minutes ago, TEW said:

Let me go on the record that I believe I was the first person who suggested trading Hurts as an option.

And for me, at least, it’s still an option.

If someone offers a godfather deal, I’m taking it. It’s nothing against Hurts. He’s done everything anyone could have ever asked of him. He’s worked his arse off to become one of the best players in the NFL. A true MVP candidate and all-pro level player.

But the fact is this: as good as Hurts is, his contract is going to make it very difficult to put a deep, talented team on the field. And his play style has a relatively high probability of resulting in an injury.

For me the goal isn’t to have a great QB. The goal is to win a Super Bowl. Having a great QB is correlated with winning a Super Bowl, but I’m not sure Hurts is going to out QB Mahomes with equal talent around him.

Given that, if someone offers me 3 firsts+ I’m definitely considering it. That’s not me hating Hurts, I actually really like him and am incredibly impressed with him as a player and person. But I have to be dispassionate and do what’s in the best interest of the team to win a Super Bowl. Getting a slew of draft picks plus an extra $40+ million in cap space per year over the next 4-6 years might give us a better chance at a Super Bowl.

Hell no.

59 minutes ago, TEW said:

Let me go on the record that I believe I was the first person who suggested trading Hurts as an option.

And for me, at least, it’s still an option.

If someone offers a godfather deal, I’m taking it. It’s nothing against Hurts. He’s done everything anyone could have ever asked of him. He’s worked his arse off to become one of the best players in the NFL. A true MVP candidate and all-pro level player.

But the fact is this: as good as Hurts is, his contract is going to make it very difficult to put a deep, talented team on the field. And his play style has a relatively high probability of resulting in an injury.

For me the goal isn’t to have a great QB. The goal is to win a Super Bowl. Having a great QB is correlated with winning a Super Bowl, but I’m not sure Hurts is going to out QB Mahomes with equal talent around him.

Given that, if someone offers me 3 firsts+ I’m definitely considering it. That’s not me hating Hurts, I actually really like him and am incredibly impressed with him as a player and person. But I have to be dispassionate and do what’s in the best interest of the team to win a Super Bowl. Getting a slew of draft picks plus an extra $40+ million in cap space per year over the next 4-6 years might give us a better chance at a Super Bowl.

I looked back, and most non Brady winning QBs (SB wins) were on very team friendly cap hits when they won. Most failed to ever get back to the Super Bowl after getting paid enormous deals.

Edit: Until Mahomes now, no Qb getting more than 30 million per year has won 

43 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Smith doesn’t have elite speed but he has more than enough. He’s a 4.43 guy who runs routes second to none and has a suddenness out of his breaks rarely seen. He’s my favorite player on the Birds, stop being mean to him!

Oh, he’s a great player, no doubt. But he has limitations. You don’t want him running routes through the middle or he’ll get hurt. He isn’t going to take the top off the defense the way a true deep threat does.

But working the middle of the route tree? He’s damn near unstoppable.

14 minutes ago, blindside said:

Ugh

This is what happens when trolling goes bad.

7 minutes ago, jamiller said:

Hell no.

I will say that it is not an absurd take. It’s why it was imperative to have beaten the Chiefs. It was a once a decade opportunity if you planned on paying your QB top dollar.

What a compete choke job by our team.

Part of me really wants him to turn down the jets just cause i think the chaos that would ensue would be hilarious 

 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Part of me resllt wants him to turn down the jets just cause i think the chaos that would ensue would be hilarious 

 

 

 

Just get him out of the NFC.  It's going to be a major advantage having by far the best QB in the conference for the foreseeable future.  

29 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I could even see as high as the Commanders at 17 as a sleeper. Robinson and Gibbs could be a very good duo. They have Samuel who may be redundant but if he is moved/cut those chances greatly increase. Then Buffalo, Cincy, Baltimore, Tampa, Minnesota (if Cook is moved) as the other potentials. Cincy may move Mixon) I think Gibbs could play a serious role out of the slot as well for us. Dual threat weapon. 

You might be right. Obviously he’s not on my radar that early.

But you hit the nail on the head as far as his versatility. He’s the most intriguing player in this draft IMO.

People keep making Kamara comparisons, but Kamara is nearly 20 pounds heavier and only ran a 4.56. The proper comparison in my opinion is Marshall Faulk. Faulk was slightly bigger, Gibbs is slightly faster, and the receiving ability is what make both special.

1 hour ago, Cliftoma said:

Not that I think Howie will draft an RB in round 1 but, if he does, I would prefer Gibbs.  That guy can fly.  I like his decisiveness when hitting the hole.  One cut and he gone.  Robinson has more power but he seems to dance little too much for my liking.  

Question is how high do you think Gibbs goes?  Does he make it to 30 or would we need to trade up to secure him?

Posted a highlight tape of his a few weeks back.  There's a play against Tennessee where he's seemingly just coasting towards the sideline, then when the defenders try to get the angle, he kicks it in to gear and just blows down the sideline.  Unreal burst.

54 second mark

 

41 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

 

 

It's such a dumb take.  It really is.  You people act like QBs getting big contracts is now just a recent development in the NFL.  Go get rid of a great franchise MVP level QB capable of winning a Super Bowl so you can load up on talent and go have early playoff exits every year when you then are stuck with a QB like Dak or Cousins.  It's like we didn't witness this the talented team last year with a QB other than Jalen.  We saw it for 2 games and we went 0-2.  Meanwhile Jalen played in 18 games last year and went 16-2 with the only two losses being a game everything was going wrong with various players on offense fumbling in a freak loss to Washington and then the Super Bowl where Jalen lit it up but the defense offered no resistance to Mahomes in the second half.  

Cap is always going up.  Every time a QB signs a big deal people are amazed by how much they are making and then 2-3 years later the amount they were signed for no longer looks that big because as the cap continues to rise so does the what players are paid.

 

I thank God so much that none of you people are involved in the Eagles FO.  The same group of people that would have traded a "godfather" offer last year for Watson or Wilson.

It really isn’t. It’s really just a sober look at how the NFL works. 

Who says Hurts is capable of winning a Super Bowl? He hasn’t done it yet, and he had the most talented team in the NFL. An OL literally composed entirely of pro bowlers, a pro bowl RB, 2 #1 WRs, a top tier TE, an all-time level pass rush, a pro bowl littered defensive backfield, and he came up short. He’s NEVER going to have this much talent again in his career.

It’s going to be a LOT harder going forward.

Maybe you miss on a replacement QB and end up with Dak, or maybe you end up with Caleb Williams who is a generational talent, upgrade on Hurts, plus multiple first rounders and win multiple Super Bowls.

36 minutes ago, blindside said:

Ugh

I will not perpetuate it.  I apologize to all who have found it boring/annoying.

29 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I looked back, and most non Brady winning QBs (SB wins) were on very team friendly cap hits when they won. Most failed to ever get back to the Super Bowl after getting paid enormous deals.

Edit: Until Mahomes now, no Qb getting more than 30 million per year has won 

Exactly.

Either you have THE BEST quarterback of their generation (Brady, Mahomes) or you have to put together a really complete team with a relatively cheap QB.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

It really isn’t. It’s really just a sober look at how the NFL works. 

Who says Hurts is capable of winning a Super Bowl? He hasn’t done it yet, and he had the most talented team in the NFL. An OL literally composed entirely of pro bowlers, a pro bowl RB, 2 #1 WRs, a top tier TE, an all-time level pass rush, a pro bowl littered defensive backfield, and he came up short. He’s NEVER going to have this much talent again in his career.

It’s going to be a LOT harder going forward.

Maybe you miss on a replacement QB and end up with Dak, or maybe you end up with Caleb Williams who is a generational talent, upgrade on Hurts, plus multiple first rounders and win multiple Super Bowls.

So... you have a top 5 QB... but you want to take a chance.. at upgrading? It’s like having a million dollars and risking half of it to make an extra $100,000. You’re using lots of words to justify it, but it makes no sense. There’s a lot more "Dak’s” than "Caleb Williams”. And Caleb Williams could bust like most QBs do. 
 

Someone earlier said "I don’t think Hurts could beat Mahomes if the talent around him is the same”. Yeah, no ish. Name QB who can. Burrow has better talent and couldn’t. If you’re gonna keep trading QBs until you have one better than Mahomes.. I mean.. that’s the dumbest ish I’ve ever heard.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Exactly.

Either you have THE BEST quarterback of their generation (Brady, Mahomes) or you have to put together a really complete team with a relatively cheap QB.

That’s literally what we just did and still lost.