1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Not at all like your thoughtless contribution baselessly claiming I'm racist out of nowhere for no reason.  

You said the only reason that either I or ToastJenkins had the opinion we have about the QB position, and in Toast’s case the style of QB play, is because of the color of Hurts’ skin.  That is racist …

2 minutes ago, Estasi said:

I understand what you are saying and if I’m thinking with my head and not my heart I think it’s unlikely Hurts stays healthy for much longer. That said I think he’s SO good that you sort of have no choice but to go with the bird in hand on this one. 
 

I don’t think the team was as talented as we thought it was and I think when Jalen was out it really showed. Even in the Super Bowl I think of lot of the talent on defense (along with Gannon) was exposed. Jalen is the engine. 

I don’t disagree with you E.  That is probably the final decision I would make when push comes to shove, but it isn’t a simple decision.

If we’re gonna pay Hurts might as well draft and develop young talent/depth around him. 

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The math does work.  You just aren’t looking at the whole picture.  The current cap make up is team wide not simply a single player.  Howie brought in at least $45 million of free agents to make up the 2023 top of the line roster.  With $45 million less cap money he couldn’t repeat that.

That’s my point though. Look what’s being said. I said "the same team talent (as last year) with a lesser QB”. And you said, "not the same talent, 45mil more”. Hurts was on a rookie deal last year, so if you trade him, it is still the same as last year, not 45 mil extra. Once they pay him, then the 45 mil is gone. But they had it last year, and in your dream world where they’d trade Hurts, they’d still have it. So they could theoretically have the same talent around a different QB. I can’t do this anymore though. This place, man

11 minutes ago, blindside said:

I hope they do trade Hurts. The entire world would implode. The guys on the team, fans, National analysts.. but a few guys on a message board would be quick to point out how they’re playing the long game by constantly having a question mark at the most important position in sports because maybe they can afford a couple more free agents. 

Was Hurts a question mark at this time last year?

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You said the only reason that either I or ToastJenkins had the opinion we have about the QB position, and in Toast’s case the style of QB play, is because of the color of Hurts’ skin.  That is racist …

Yeah he likes to race bait, but doesn’t like being called a racist himself. 

Just now, blindside said:

That’s my point though. Look what’s being said. I said "the same team talent (as last year) with a lesser QB”. And you said, "not the same talent, 45mil more”. Hurts was on a rookie deal last year, so if you trade him, it is still the same as last year, not 45 mil extra. Once they pay him, then the 45 mil is gone. But they had it last year, and in your dream world where they’d trade Hurts, they’d still have it. So they could theoretically have the same talent around a different QB. I can’t do this anymore though. This place, man

Fair enough.  Your perspective is the prior teams.  My perspective is the future teams.  Both are valid.  In fact, both should be considered.

Thank you for your thoughtful contributions to the conversation.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Was Hurts a question mark at this time last year?

And this is exactly why I can’t do this. That’s your example? Give me a break, Matt. 
 

So you’re banking on every QB we draft having a historical come-up? Don’t even pretend that’s realistic. 
 

anyone can pick out an example of something that supports any argument. 
 

"I could bang Scarlett Johansson tomorrow”

”umm.. no you can’t.”

”well, wasn’t there a day before her current husband had hanged her where they hadn’t banged yet? Maybe today is that day for me”

11 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You said the only reason that either I or ToastJenkins had the opinion we have about the QB position, and in Toast’s case the style of QB play, is because of the color of Hurts’ skin.  That is racist …

 

Are you senile?  Are you imaging things?  Where did I ever say that or even imply that? 

7 minutes ago, blindside said:

Yeah he likes to race bait, but doesn’t like being called a racist himself. 

 

Where did I race bait?  Where did I imply anything about race?  

14 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If we’re gonna pay Hurts might as well draft and develop young talent/depth around him. 

Njigba at 10 is a non-starter, but at 30, he will be hard to pass up. He will be a top flight slot receiver in the NFL day 1 of practice.

Even though we need help on D, how good are we at drafting defensive talent? Njigba will make our offense damn near unstoppable

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Where did I race bait?  Where did I imply anything about race?  

The board has been around for a long time. 

Just now, blindside said:

The board has been around for a long time. 

 

He is saying today I accused him and ToastJenkins for not liking Hurts based on the color of his skin.   Where the F did I say or imply anything close to that?  

4 hours ago, TEW said:

This actually brings up an issue I have with our receivers…

Brown and Smith are obviously both very good WRs. You can’t take anything away from them individually.

The problem I have is that they force us into an awkward trio.

Smith is small, but he’s not really a slot WR. He does his best work on the edge in space with his route running and hands. And he’s not particularly fast.

Brown is a tank, but again, not particularly fast, and is best on the boundary.

If we get a prototypical slot WR, the 5’10” quick/agile guy, we become very small out wide which hurts us in the run game. If we get a bigger guy they’re not going to have that short area quickness that’s exploited in the slot. And we are desperate for speed at the position, which puts another demand on the slot receiver. So unless we find a unicorn 6+ footer with short area quickness AND 4.3 speed we are going to have a weakness in our personnel.

It’s not-picky for sure, but that’s the issue I see. Quez is important because without him we have very mediocre speed at WR.

Split End.  X.  Generally bigger.   Brown.

Flanker Back.  Z. Generally the best receiver, the best route runner.  Smith.

Slot Back.  Slot.  Often not on the field.  It's the slot that isn't on the field when there is a Fullback, or when there are 2 TEs.   Watkins.

Both Brown and Smith match the positions they play well.

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He is saying today I accused him and ToastJenkins for not liking Hurts based on the color of his skin.   Where the F did I say or imply anything close to that?  

I really don’t care. 

3 minutes ago, blindside said:

I really don’t care. 

 

Then you should take your own advice and shut up instead of making posts saying I said something that I didn't today.  

2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Unless we bring in multiple worthwhile receivers, Quez has more value to the 2023 eagles than a 5th-6th round pick

One of Quez’s greatest values is his deep speed.  A team can’t leave him unguarded.  I thought the plan for him with the screens was poorly planned.  Bu he cleared out a number of Brown’s slants last year taking the DB deep. Get Brown behind the shallow zone DB and he s deadly. 

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

That was my suspicion.  I don’t think good in the box, ok in coverage, and a likely irreproducible INT total justify a mega contract at S.

I always thought Maddox projected exceptionally well at safety…

If you keep Epps and use Maddox in that role, then we can just pummel the CB position in a pretty deep and talented draft.

Epps and Maddox at safety?  Yuck.

Someone was just talking about not being big enough at WR …. you put those two midgets manning both safety positions and the defense will get obliterated with seam routes.  There wouldn’t be a fear in the world about getting hit at the catch point by either of those guys 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Then you should take your own advice and shut up instead of making posts saying I said something that I didn't today.  

I never said today. But it’s been lots of days. 

42 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If we’re gonna pay Hurts might as well draft and develop young talent/depth around him. 

Hard pass 

9 minutes ago, blindside said:

I never said today. But it’s been lots of days. 

 

I've mentioned it long ago that some of the off the wall overboard hate towards Hurts probably had some racial roots to it all, which given our society is undeniable.  Those people are no longer here though and I haven't made any references or implications to race as to why posters have certain opinions of Hurts in a very long time.  So I really don't appreciate when you or will come out of nowhere to accuse me of something today that I haven't at all done.  

It's a completely weak and spineless to try to squirrel out of being exposed as a hypocrite.

Addressing WR3 early in the draft comes down to 3 guys to me.  JSN, Zay Flowers or Josh Downs.  My guess is the first WR off the board is going to be Quinten Johnston, followed by Flowers or JSN.  One of them will be there at 30 but that might be too high for a guy like Downs. 

The Eagles need to decide what they want out of WR3.  

-JSN has the best size at 6-1 195.  He isn't flashy or fast but he just runs great routes, has tremendous hands and then does have enough burst to get by some guys.  He reminds me of Justin Jefferson coming out of LSU.  Jefferson showed elite route running and hands but wasn't a blazer and we know how that turned out. 

-Zay Flowers is the Dante Hall kind of player.  He's 5-9 182 but has make you miss joystick moves.  If the Eagles insist on running WR screens, Flowers would thrive with that.  He didn't return punts or kicks at BC but I think his skillset would make him a prime candidate to learn and take over for Covey.

-Josh Downs is tiny.  He's 5-9 170 and reminds me a bit of Wes Welker in the way he plays out of the slot.  He's the ultimate get open in the slot using insane quickness in his route running.  

None of these guys have take the top off speed like Watkins but all 3 of them are already hands down better suited to play WR3.  

I would imagine Hurts would have one year with a sizeable cap %, around 17%, and his other years should come in under 15%. I will be surprised if he played any season above a 17% cap hit.

23 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Split End.  X.  Generally bigger.   Brown.

Flanker Back.  Z. Generally the best receiver, the best route runner.  Smith.

Slot Back.  Slot.  Often not on the field.  It's the slot that isn't on the field when there is a Fullback, or when there are 2 TEs.   Watkins.

Both Brown and Smith match the positions they play well.

Brown doesn’t exclusively play X, Smith doesn’t exclusively play Z and Watkins doesn’t exclusively play Slot.   Not by a long shot.  Antiquated way of thinking. 

3 hours ago, TEW said:

But then we become even slower.

We need to get both bigger and faster with 1 player, which is difficult.

It’s a marginal problem and not near the top of our needs, but it does give us some limitations.

the Eagles have 4 great stars - brown smith goedert hurts.  

and we're talking about the slot position where Watkins plays.  There could be 2 new players, one who is faster/quicker, the other who is bigger.   who you use depends on the situation.

One option is 4.32 40 / 1.51 10 split running back Achane for Texas A&M.  Smaller and faster than Watkins.  Downside is that there isn't any evidence he can play WR.  Covey has better quickness than Watkins.    When you have 4 great stars, you generally want them to play every down or close to that.   And then you have 2 other spots to fill, and you can put any number of different types of players in there.    What used to be normal for 60 or 70 years of the NFL was at least 1 running back and 1 fullback and no slot. 

Would say that the Eagles might want to get a superfast guy, even faster than Quez, whether Quez stays or goes.