2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Slay talking in 3rd person now?  Reminding me of Leon.

 

 

He always has....and don't call him Darius ever...part of his rules apparently. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Your autographed helmets reminded my that I won a Jordan Matthews autographed mini helmet at an eagles game once. I have that. It’s not displayed. I think people will laugh at it.

I’d still put it out. I don’t want a ton of autographed stuff but I would like to add on some more of my all time favorites. Wouldn’t mind to eventually get a Kelce and Graham and a few others.

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

new Riley Moss vid

 

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

It was not. 

But the last 2 minutes were great

Yeah, but those 2 minutes made up for the other 46min

Just now, QuinnWR4 said:

Yeah, but those 2 minutes made up for the other 46min

they just kill me. Everything is so damn difficult with that team.

Get up big, let the lead slip away. end up winning.

Last night- Trail entire game. Most of the time by double digits. Pull within 5. Let the lead grow back to doubles. Did that a couple times. FINALLY pull ahead for the 1st time with 1.1 seconds left. Even that shot. Youre down 1. Get Embiid the ball in the low post for a dunk. Or he gets fouled. No. Instead, get Embiid the ball at the 3 point line and make him iso in to a turn around fade away. Incredibly difficult shot.

Just nothing can be easy.

They are frustrating even when they win.

 

Trey Palmer. Beware, a body catcher like Quez.

The speed is on another level though. And he returns kicks and punts.

If he can last till late rounds, I become interested.

 

55 minutes ago, blindside said:

Yeah, I’ll stick with the QB who out scored Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl, and should have had a chance to win the game, with zero help from his defense. Especially the way this team drafts, you’ve got a lot of birds in the bush, but I’ll take the proven commodity.

He didn’t outscore him. Fumble TDs count.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Your autographed helmets reminded my that I won a Jordan Matthews autographed mini helmet at an eagles game once. I have that. Its not displayed. I think people will laugh at it.

I won from the eagles a Michael Vick signed football from predicting they’d draft nick foles. I told them thanks for the offer but i much rather just have a signed nick foles football cause i really wanted no part of anything vick. I was happy he changed his life for the better but I just didn’t want any memorabilia of his. 

2 hours ago, TEW said:

Of course they can.

However, generally one of the players is a true deep threat, and generally they’re both bigger.

I’m not saying to get rid of anyone or anything like that. Just pointing out that from a roster construction perspective, we have some limitations in our top two receivers that, in a perfect world, requires a very special blend of of physical attributes from the slot receiver to get us back to having average to a over average size and speed.

I dunno.  I think Brown does have the size and speed for X.  And Smith for Z.

I've seen Brown and Smith catching long passes downfield.

I do understand your main point, I think, which seems to be that if you remove Quez, you would not want to replace with someone who has lesser speed than Quez, because then,  the Eagles overall would have a lack of speed, on average.  Quez was, and is, improving the average 40 time. 

I'm not impressed with Quez and Quez's speed as seen on the field.  I do like his numbers, combine or pro day or whatever. 

I think you might be a olympic hurdler guy.  He should be under consideration.

When you have 3 star pass catchers, I don't think you need to try for a 4th.   If you want to add a star,  add a runner, a running back, a versatile player who can run.  Using that great run blocking oline with a star runner seems like a valuable upgrade, and if that runner is fast enough, he can play the slot, and stretch the defense vertically to make the job of the star pass catcher (there are 3) easier.

I haven't done a ton of research on Achane,  but I like 4.32 40 + 1.51 10 split.  Upgrade at the position of "fastest guy".  2 kickoff return tds in college.  A running back,  and the Eagles are losing 2 running backs.  So,  you draft one guy, he can stretch the defense better than Quez, in theory at least, the numbers are better, and he ran between the tackles in college, so he could run between the tackles in the NFL.  He's small, he's not the short yardage guy, but if theres some sort of option with Jalen, a read option, a speed option outside,  I think this small and fast guy Achane would be good at that.  We haven't seen a lot of Quez running on run plays.  He's been with the Eagles a while.   It seems to me that adding the fastest weapon possible,  get a new fastest guy on offense,  is a good way to go.  I think out of the box on things, and I also think,  why not a cornerback as the fastest guy on offense?  There's a blazing 4.2 CB from Michigan.  But that's not likely to happen. 

Achane is small and you were concerned about that.   The Eagles can put someone big out there.  WR3 and slot are optional positions.  You could easily not have 3 WRs.  In the 1970s, 3 wrs was quite uncommon.   2 wrs, 1 te, 1 qb, 1 rb, 1 fb.  That was more normal than anything particular right now.  Sometimes you have 2 TEs.  That is not rare.  So if you want size, you have that.  I like Tyree Jackson as that versatile weapon in what I could call a versatile spot.  Over the course of the last 2 years, when Tyree wasn't hurt, he got some snaps,  didn't get many targets.  I think he was probably in that "versatile" spot.   Goedert generally stays on the field.   Generally, I'd want a versatile freakbeast high RAS in that versatile spot that is often taken by a WR3/slot.   Put another running QB on the field.  He'll take the place of WR3/slot.   

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Trey Palmer. Beware, a body catcher like Quez.

The speed is on another level though. And he returns kicks and punts.

If he can last till late rounds, I become interested.

 

upgrading the fastest guy seems like a thing to do.  I have Achain as the fastest guy.  He's a RB, and the Eagles are losing 2 RBs who have to be replaced.

2 hours ago, wussbasket said:

Which players took up 20+% of cap space last year? The only 2 players that are 20+% right now are Mahomes and Watson, both will be restructured and won’t be playing with that high of a cap hit. Dak used to be one of those and already restructured, bringing him from 20+% to under 12%.

Restructuring simply borrows from Peter to pay Paul.  There is in essence a new cap category thanks to those restructures … "accrued but not reported” signing bonus prorations. They don’t go away magically … they are like a balloon mortgage that has the balloon payment come due when the player and the team go their separate ways.

Bottom-line, the 20+% is still 20+%.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Restructuring simply borrows from Peter to pay Paul.  There is in essence a new cap category thanks to those restructures … "accrued but not reported” signing bonus prorations. They don’t go away magically … they are like a balloon mortgage that has the balloon payment come due when the player and the team go their separate ways.

Bottom-line, the 20+% is still 20+%.

 

Still curious why the economics, as you say, make it so trading Hurts is smart but that same logic doesn't apply to the Bengals and Joe Burrow.  Don't they operate under the same salary cap?  

2 hours ago, blindside said:

Yeah, I’ll stick with the QB who out scored Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl, and should have had a chance to win the game, with zero help from his defense. Especially the way this team drafts, you’ve got a lot of birds in the bush, but I’ll take the proven commodity.

Regarding the way the team drafts, you may find this article illuminating.  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33297949/nfl-draft-which-teams-gotten-best-value-2012-rank-all-32

NFL draft: Which teams have gotten the best value since 2012? We rank all 32

Apr 22, 2022

No team has gotten more value out of the NFL draft over the past decade than the Seattle Seahawks -- thanks to an elite 2012 class 

How we rank: To evaluate the players taken in each of the past 10 NFL drafts (2012-2021), we used Approximate Value (AV) -- Pro Football Reference's method of measuring the performance of every NFL player. We took each player's career AV and measured it against a value based on where that player was taken in the NFL draft -- we're calling it Career Approximate Value Over Expected (CAVOE).

For example, players drafted in the first or second rounds have a higher baseline for performance, so if they struggle they will have much lower CAVOE scores than a sixth- or seventh-round pick who made little impact.

To get the team ranking, we added up CAVOE scores for all players drafted by teams between 2012 -- regardless of how long those players were with the team that drafted them. The idea is to see which teams drafted players who have provided the most value over their NFL careers.

We include a look at team records from 2012-2021. Not surprising, seven of the top eight teams in our ranking also had one of the eight best records over the last decade. We also include how teams rank based on the value of Day 3 picks (Rounds 4-7). While Day 3 performance alone did not factor into our overall ranking, it's clearly been part of the blueprint for success for teams like the New England Patriots and Baltimore Ravens.

A note about comparing older vs. newer draft classes: Older classes have had more opportunity to accrue value, both positive and negative. So, for example, a 2012 class having higher CAVOE scores than a 2020 class doesn't necessarily mean the 2012 class was better. It means the 2012 class has accrued more value over 10 years than the 2020 class has over two.

6. Philadelphia Eagles

Career Approximate Value Over Expected (CAVOE) of draft picks, 2012-2021: 75.7

Record from 2012-2021: 82-78-1, 14th

Eagles Draft Classes, 2012-2021

YEAR	CLASS CAVOE	TOP PLAYER BY CAVOE (RD.)	LEAST CAVOE (RD.)
2012	60.9	DT Fletcher Cox, 32.8 (1st)	G Brandon Washington, -7.5 (6th)
2013	34.6	S Jordan Poyer, 37.1 (7th)	QB Matt Barkley, -7.4 (4th)
2014	-70.8	DT Beau Allen, 8.8 (7th)	LB Marcus Smith, -40.1 (1st)
2015	-5.7	LB Jordan Hicks, 18.7 (3rd)	CB Eric Rowe, -8.2 (2nd)
2016	49.8	S Jalen Mills, 19.5 (7th)	DE Alex McCalister, -4.3 (7th)
2017	-21.4	S Nathan Gerry, 11.7 (5th)	CB Sidney Jones, -10.3 (2nd)
2018	29.9	TE Dallas Goedert, 9.7 (2nd)	CB Avonte Maddox, 2.5 (4th)
2019	-18.8	RB Miles Sanders, 8.9 (2nd)	T Andre Dillard, -10.9 (1st)
2020	13.3	QB Jalen Hurts, 14.7 (2nd)	WR Jalen Reagor, -3.2 (1st)
2021	3.9	WR DeVonta Smith, 4.2 (1st)	DL Marlon Tuipulotu, -1.6 (6th)
TOTAL	75.7

Best class from 2012-2021 drafts: 2012. They moved up in the first round to select defensive tackle Fletcher Cox, now a six-time Pro Bowler, and added a pair of impact defensive players in the second round in defensive end Vinny Curry and linebacker Mychal Kendricks. There is still regret in the building that they waited too long to select quarterback Russell Wilson in this draft, but they still walked away with Nick Foles, who reached legend status in Philadelphia after outdueling Tom Brady in Super Bowl LII. If we're talking hit rate, the 2018 class deserves some love with four of the five picks (Dallas Goedert, Avonte Maddox, Josh Sweat and Jordan Mailata) playing sizable roles for the Eagles in 2021. -- Tim McManus

CAVOE from Day 3 draft picks (Rounds 4-7): 48.7, 11th

Best Day 3 steal? DE Josh Sweat, fourth round, 2018. Sweat was able to overcome a horrific knee injury in high school to allay durability concerns and return to his pre-injury form. As a result he was given a three-year, $40 million extension for his success. -- Reid

59 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

upgrading the fastest guy seems like a thing to do.  I have Achain as the fastest guy.  He's a RB, and the Eagles are losing 2 RBs who have to be replaced.

Id rather see them use a pick on a bell cow type. More important to have a starter than a little speed guy like Achane. 

My small back type to replace Boston Scott in free agency is Gaskin. Hes a tough runner for his size, and excellent in the passing game as well. 

With Carolina making the big leap up what would it cost to acquire Matt Corral in a trade?

1 minute ago, garingovt2000 said:

With Carolina making the big leap up what would it cost to acquire Matt Corral in a trade?

Theyll draft someone at #1, and probably view him as a high quality backup. Id guess hes still very valuable to them.

2 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

I dunno.  I think Brown does have the size and speed for X.  And Smith for Z.

I've seen Brown and Smith catching long passes downfield.

I do understand your main point, I think, which seems to be that if you remove Quez, you would not want to replace with someone who has lesser speed than Quez, because then,  the Eagles overall would have a lack of speed, on average.  Quez was, and is, improving the average 40 time. 

I'm not impressed with Quez and Quez's speed as seen on the field.  I do like his numbers, combine or pro day or whatever. 

I think you might be a olympic hurdler guy.  He should be under consideration.

When you have 3 star pass catchers, I don't think you need to try for a 4th.   If you want to add a star,  add a runner, a running back, a versatile player who can run.  Using that great run blocking oline with a star runner seems like a valuable upgrade, and if that runner is fast enough, he can play the slot, and stretch the defense vertically to make the job of the star pass catcher (there are 3) easier.

I haven't done a ton of research on Achane,  but I like 4.32 40 + 1.51 10 split.  Upgrade at the position of "fastest guy".  2 kickoff return tds in college.  A running back,  and the Eagles are losing 2 running backs.  So,  you draft one guy, he can stretch the defense better than Quez, in theory at least, the numbers are better, and he ran between the tackles in college, so he could run between the tackles in the NFL.  He's small, he's not the short yardage guy, but if theres some sort of option with Jalen, a read option, a speed option outside,  I think this small and fast guy Achane would be good at that.  We haven't seen a lot of Quez running on run plays.  He's been with the Eagles a while.   It seems to me that adding the fastest weapon possible,  get a new fastest guy on offense,  is a good way to go.  I think out of the box on things, and I also think,  why not a cornerback as the fastest guy on offense?  There's a blazing 4.2 CB from Michigan.  But that's not likely to happen. 

Achane is small and you were concerned about that.   The Eagles can put someone big out there.  WR3 and slot are optional positions.  You could easily not have 3 WRs.  In the 1970s, 3 wrs was quite uncommon.   2 wrs, 1 te, 1 qb, 1 rb, 1 fb.  That was more normal than anything particular right now.  Sometimes you have 2 TEs.  That is not rare.  So if you want size, you have that.  I like Tyree Jackson as that versatile weapon in what I could call a versatile spot.  Over the course of the last 2 years, when Tyree wasn't hurt, he got some snaps,  didn't get many targets.  I think he was probably in that "versatile" spot.   Goedert generally stays on the field.   Generally, I'd want a versatile freakbeast high RAS in that versatile spot that is often taken by a WR3/slot.   Put another running QB on the field.  He'll take the place of WR3/slot.   

Yes, exactly right on my point about "average speed” or maybe a better way to talk about it would be "team speed.”

Achane is a guy I really like. He’s absolutely electric with the ball in his hands. That said, I’m not as convinced he can handle regular slot duty to the level that Gibbs can. Achane is smaller, has smaller hands, but is perhaps a bit faster and quicker. He’d be a great "plan B” to Gibbs, but where to take him is tricky. I don’t think he makes it to our 3rd. He might not even make it to our 2nd, though he probably will. Is Achane enough of a weapon as a runner and receiver to warrant a second round pick? 
 

Personally, I’d want someone like Gibbs, Achane or Mitchell AND a speed guy in the slot. The NFL favors spreading defenses out and using speed and elusiveness for chunk plays.

Davis from TCU should be a late round pick. He’s tiny, doesn’t have the best hands for a slot WR, but he’s got 4.3 speed and playmaking ability with the ball in his hands. Might be interesting in the 6th/7th or as an UDFA.

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Still curious why the economics, as you say, make it so trading Hurts is smart but that same logic doesn't apply to the Bengals and Joe Burrow.  Don't they operate under the same salary cap?  

To use your house metaphor, both the Bengals and the Eagles have to pay the same annual mortgage payment for their house. So in that they are indeed identical.  However, the Bengals house has been built in a residential neighborhood, and there is very little risk of a disaster destroying their house.  The Eagles house on the other hand is right on a major highway that young drivers use for street racing.  The risk of one of those street racers crashing into the house and it being uninhabitable during repairs is high … some would say very high … so there is meaningful risk that the Eagles house will be lost.

 

20 minutes ago, mattwill said:

To use your house metaphor, both the Bengals and the Eagles have to pay the same annual mortgage payment for their house. So in that they are indeed identical.  However, the Bengals house has been built in a residential neighborhood, and there is very little risk of a disaster destroying their house.  The Eagles house on the other hand is right on a major highway that young drivers use for street racing.  The risk of one of those street racers crashing into the house and it being uninhabitable during repairs is high … some would say very high … so there is meaningful risk that the Eagles house will be lost.

 

But unlike Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow has had a major injury and thus is at greater risk for another major injury and he has missed more games in his career than Jalen Hurts.  Fact of the matter is you were down on Hurts from the get go and even after he has proven you completely wrong you still stubbornly can't accept that reality.  

Jalen Hurts is a great passer.  Jalen Hurts is a great player, a great leader and not only one of the best QBs in the league but flatout one of the best players in the league.  He is a winner.  If you want to say running is such a part of his game that he wont have the longevity of a traditional pocket passer then okay, but Jalen Hurts is only 24 years old and QBs that use running as a part of their game don't break down until they are 30.  So being against re-signing Jalen Hurts as he is about to enter his prime years makes no Fing sense especially when he has already established himself as a top 2/3 QB in the league and easily BY FAR the best QB in the NFC.  

 

Also what houses are on highways?  Can't say I've ever seen a highway accident where a car has crashed into a house.  Street races typically occur in the city not on highways.  Back in my day used to drive into south Philly from the suburbs for street races.  

2 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

I dunno.  I think Brown does have the size and speed for X.  And Smith for Z.

I've seen Brown and Smith catching long passes downfield.

I do understand your main point, I think, which seems to be that if you remove Quez, you would not want to replace with someone who has lesser speed than Quez, because then,  the Eagles overall would have a lack of speed, on average.  Quez was, and is, improving the average 40 time. 

I'm not impressed with Quez and Quez's speed as seen on the field.  I do like his numbers, combine or pro day or whatever. 

I think you might be a olympic hurdler guy.  He should be under consideration.

When you have 3 star pass catchers, I don't think you need to try for a 4th.   If you want to add a star,  add a runner, a running back, a versatile player who can run.  Using that great run blocking oline with a star runner seems like a valuable upgrade, and if that runner is fast enough, he can play the slot, and stretch the defense vertically to make the job of the star pass catcher (there are 3) easier.

I haven't done a ton of research on Achane,  but I like 4.32 40 + 1.51 10 split.  Upgrade at the position of "fastest guy".  2 kickoff return tds in college.  A running back,  and the Eagles are losing 2 running backs.  So,  you draft one guy, he can stretch the defense better than Quez, in theory at least, the numbers are better, and he ran between the tackles in college, so he could run between the tackles in the NFL.  He's small, he's not the short yardage guy, but if theres some sort of option with Jalen, a read option, a speed option outside,  I think this small and fast guy Achane would be good at that.  We haven't seen a lot of Quez running on run plays.  He's been with the Eagles a while.   It seems to me that adding the fastest weapon possible,  get a new fastest guy on offense,  is a good way to go.  I think out of the box on things, and I also think,  why not a cornerback as the fastest guy on offense?  There's a blazing 4.2 CB from Michigan.  But that's not likely to happen. 

Achane is small and you were concerned about that.   The Eagles can put someone big out there.  WR3 and slot are optional positions.  You could easily not have 3 WRs.  In the 1970s, 3 wrs was quite uncommon.   2 wrs, 1 te, 1 qb, 1 rb, 1 fb.  That was more normal than anything particular right now.  Sometimes you have 2 TEs.  That is not rare.  So if you want size, you have that.  I like Tyree Jackson as that versatile weapon in what I could call a versatile spot.  Over the course of the last 2 years, when Tyree wasn't hurt, he got some snaps,  didn't get many targets.  I think he was probably in that "versatile" spot.   Goedert generally stays on the field.   Generally, I'd want a versatile freakbeast high RAS in that versatile spot that is often taken by a WR3/slot.   Put another running QB on the field.  He'll take the place of WR3/slot.   

AJ/Smitty allow us more than enough talent and speed to stretch the field. People are still trying to build this team like it’s 2019. 
 

I’d rather someone who can get open, and catch the ball with his hands than Quez. Theilen on a cheaper deal, Darius Slayton would be interesting. I still like Greg Ward tbh. I think he’sa terrific Slot/4th WR. 

4 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Im sick all over again.

 

Yeah, let's trade Hurts for whateverthef... 

18 minutes ago, jamiller said:

Im sick all over again.

 

Yeah, let's trade Hurts for whateverthef... 

he’s so good