12 minutes ago, TEW said:

The answer is no. We didn’t outscore him. We lost.

Yes we did. Our offense out scored theirs. That’s a fact. 

2 minutes ago, blindside said:

Yes we did. Our offense out scored theirs. That’s a fact. 

Our offense gave up a TD. So, no, we didn’t. You can’t just ignore the bad plays because they’re inconvenient.

35 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I don't really want to be jumping up and down about Achane.  I don't know enough about him besides the numbers.  The size issues are a bit troublesome.  And he might go in the 2nd which might be too high.

What I do like is the idea that you can get a very fast rb and put him in the slot.  And I think that Achane fits the category of very fast, and I think you can put him in the slot.  He also could be the starting RB.  I think Gainwell will be the starting RB week 1.  Achane is not a short yardage RB, but in college he ran between the tackles plenty.  He's strong enough to do that.

I like Roschon Johnson the most, because he's the RB version of Jalen Hurts.  Great QB in high school, who became a RB in HS.  Same size as Jalen.  Can do the 4th Q, run out the clock running that Jalen could do, but the Eagles probably would rather have a RB do, especially if that RB is almost identical to Jalen.  They also could have Roschon relearning QB as a QB3.    What happened in 2022 when Jalen was out?  Minshew was in, and the Eagles had no backup QB who could run and no backup RB who could run with power.  And the Eagles lost. 

When we talk about adding new fastest guy,  are we talking about no Quez?  Because Quez is not a FA, and I assume Quez is with the Eagles next year.  There isn't any actual need for a new slot.  It's just bonus to have a new RB who is faster than Quez,  who can line up in the slot occasionally. 

Yeah, I’m not claiming to have done deep scouting or anything.

I’m just thinking of skill sets. The eagles need to do their homework and figure out if these players I’m talking about have the versatility to do these things as receivers.

But I do think we need to get faster as a team on offense. There are really only two ways to do that — 3rd WR and RB. If we can get a guy who can do both, that’s optimal, and this draft class happens to have a few guys who might fit that mold.

I don't get this love for Dell, he's the same size as Covey and ever so slightly faster. Don't think he will be able to take many hits going across the middle.

 

Eagles need to use a pick on this kid. Puts together his own highlights.

 

52 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He blocked me too. And all I asked him for was to do was show the stats that countered his stats. 

still my best block was caplan who blocked me for saying it’s a fluid situation under his tweet 

😄

Now that's some petty 💩

I wish there was a clearer picture of Jason Kelce's intentions. Not rushing you, Big Dog!

So many variables in play, Stout will deal but the O Line needs some direction.

Guys in the pipeline need playing time, Kelce's head has all the info, but who has his athleticism? Jurgens may be the Heir Apparent but the transition may not be smooth. Can he get to the third level after blowing up three Defenders on the way? Many great discussions in here regarding the next evolution of the O Line, Free Agency Acquisitions and Draft are possibilities but your starting center in this Offense is not a New Guy, That position , to me, is akin to Quarterback of the O Line, and the ability to designate blocking assignments with your head in the trenches, then execute downfield after the snap.

Who's throwing blocks 30 yds downfield on a screen after blowing up two D lineman and linebacker? Kelce.

Can Jurgens get that done after some serious Stout tutelage?

Big Offseason O Line questions, and our biggest advantage vs Anybody with this Offense.

All due Respect to justrelax, wish he was here to chime in...

3 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Something on the cap position for next year

 

This is news to me.  Crazy!

8 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I’ll state right upfront that the Eagles will give Hurts an extension at the current market rate of $47-49M.  I don’t think there’s much doubt about that.  They’re likely trying to get the contract done before Herbert gets his extension, because of the risk of Herbert setting a higher price.

The notion of roster building to keep the roster at its peak while circulating through QBs on rookie deals is logical.  Keeping a QB on a rookie deal indefinitely saves about $45M per year in the current market.  The most important question IMO is this:

How irreplaceable is Jalen Hurts?  If the Eagles roster was exactly the same in 2022, only the QB was substituted for another QB on a rookie deal, how many games does the team win?  Was the 14-3 record a product of what Jalen Hurts brings, or could the Eagles have gone 14-3 with Burrow, Herbert, Tua, or Jordan Love?  Keep in mind, the weapons are still the same — AJ Brown, Smith, Goedert, Sanders, the OL, etc.

An even better question might be if you were to bring in another QB in 2023 how steep is the drop off?  

Leaving aside a serious discussion of Jalen Hurts or the Eagles,  I'm looking to a full QB room,  filled with running QBs like Jalen Hurts.  Running QBs who are not as good as Jalen Hurts or Lamar Jackson,  but better than Minshew or Tyler Huntley.

The Eagles have - Tyree Jackson, Greg Ward, Britain Covey - former running QBs who are playing another position.

Running QBs who Brian Johnson coached who are too expensive right now - Dak Prescott, Anthony Richardson.

Running QBs who Brian Johnson coached who aren't too expensive - D'eriq King, Nick Fitzgerald (retired?), Emory Jones (still in college).

There are even more running QBs who aren't too expensive who could be added to this list.  Dorian Thompson-   , Malik Cunningham - day 3 in this years draft.

So, you put in a rotating set of QBs,  with the goal of having a stocked roster of running QBs,  and none of them are pushed forward into the "do well and get $50 Million a year" class.  You want to avoid that and not encourage that.  None are expensive,  all are replaceable, and none is the real starter.

Running QBs are best.  And one of the reasons why they're best is because QBs don't get better and better at running over the course of years.  They have fresh legs coming out of college and they can run and win right away.  Lamar went 6-1 in his rookie season.  He hasn't gotten better than that.  But 6-1 is really good, and he goes to the playoffs when he isn't hurt. 

The thing about the Eagles, and the Ravens, is that Hurts and Jackson are just too good.  They're not generic players, they're not replaceable,  fans, the locker room and the football gods would be pissed if they were to go.

Would have been an ok one year option here. 

25 minutes ago, TEW said:

Our offense gave up a TD. So, no, we didn’t. You can’t just ignore the bad plays because they’re inconvenient.

It’s one game. We’re talking about a hypothetical "can Jalen win without the talent”. You’re using single plays in a single game when the discussion is "is it realistic to imagine a scenario where Hurts can beat Mahomes with all else equal. He showed he can get us damn close. If Hurts’ defense played as well as Mahomes defense, we win. This is a dumb hypothetical. I’m out

2 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Leaving aside a serious discussion of Jalen Hurts or the Eagles,  I'm looking to a full QB room,  filled with running QBs like Jalen Hurts.  Running QBs who are not as good as Jalen Hurts or Lamar Jackson,  but better than Minshew or Tyler Huntley.

The Eagles have - Tyree Jackson, Greg Ward, Britain Covey - former running QBs who are playing another position.

Running QBs who Brian Johnson coached who are too expensive right now - Dak Prescott, Anthony Richardson.

Running QBs who Brian Johnson coached who aren't too expensive - D'eriq King, Nick Fitzgerald (retired?), Emory Jones (still in college).

There are even more running QBs who aren't too expensive who could be added to this list.  Dorian Thompson-   , Malik Cunningham - day 3 in this years draft.

So, you put in a rotating set of QBs,  with the goal of having a stocked roster of running QBs,  and none of them are pushed forward into the "do well and get $50 Million a year" class.  You want to avoid that and not encourage that.  None are expensive,  all are replaceable, and none is the real starter.

Running QBs are best.  And one of the reasons why they're best is because QBs don't get better and better at running over the course of years.  They have fresh legs coming out of college and they can run and win right away.  Lamar went 6-1 in his rookie season.  He hasn't gotten better than that.  But 6-1 is really good, and he goes to the playoffs when he isn't hurt. 

The thing about the Eagles, and the Ravens, is that Hurts and Jackson are just too good.  They're not generic players, they're not replaceable,  fans, the locker room and the football gods would be pissed if they were to go.

imma need your plug. 

2 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

That was 2008. It doesn't happen often that a player backs out. 

2006. F’n Eckel.  

16 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

I don't get this love for Dell, he's the same size as Covey and ever so slightly faster. Don't think he will be able to take many hits going across the middle.

lol this is a troll post right? 

Anybody watch XFL?

D'eriq King,  who had Brian Johnson as his OC/QB coach at Houston,  has 2 rushing TDs and 1 passing TD tonight for the DC Defenders who are about to go 4-0 on the season.

D'eriq King has had a great XFL season so far.   Eagles should get him,  bring him into camp,  maybe he makes the 53,  maybe practice squad. 

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

If he’s still on the board.  Raiders will likely sign Jimmy G and draft a different position, but if they miss out on a FA QB then they’ll likely trade up ahead of the Colts.

I’m not sure even the Raiders or Colts are dumb enough to like the possibility of Richardson being the highest rated QB prospect on the board at their pick.

Richardson should go at 1/1.

30 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Would have been an ok one year option here. 

Still think it’s gonna be John Johnson and signing one of Zach Allen or Byron Murphy. Both are young and trending upward. I find it similar to hargrave when the eagles identified him, he was relatively young and fit what they wanted to do. I’m guess they might be expensive, but I think they can make one expensive move cause with how young they are cba be creative with the contract. And I think those are two guys that they would identify being OK paying

although i do really really like Emanuel Moseley. He’s coming off injury but if healthy he’s a really good young corner and likely getting him cheaper for a year so can either re-sign or get a comp pick in 2025 if he leaves next offseason if the deal is structured with voidable years 

7 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Anybody watch XFL?

D'eriq King,  who had Brian Johnson as his OC/QB coach at Houston,  has 2 rushing TDs and 1 passing TD tonight for the DC Defenders who are about to go 4-0 on the season.

D'eriq King has had a great XFL season so far.   Eagles should get him,  bring him into camp,  maybe he makes the 53,  maybe practice squad. 

 

 Looks a bit short but wouldn't hurt to bring him into camp.

 

 

 

 

33 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

I don't get this love for Dell, he's the same size as Covey and ever so slightly faster. Don't think he will be able to take many hits going across the middle.

 

Eagles need to use a pick on this kid. Puts together his own highlights.

 

IDK Dell had over 100 catches this year, 90 last year, and hasn't missed any time recently due to injury - there are things that RAS doesn't measure.

I'll give Covey credit - he got rocked on a weekly basis and kept going.  Smitty takes a decent number of hits but keeps going - maybe it is a bit overstated that these light guys won't survive in the modern NFL.

7 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Looks awesome all the way until Stetson Bennett. That dude is the least likable Qb prospect in quite some time

Bennett should go to the Ravens to be with Monken, the new Ravens OC who was Bennetts OC the last 2 years.

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

Leaving aside a serious discussion of Jalen Hurts or the Eagles,  I'm looking to a full QB room,  filled with running QBs like Jalen Hurts.  Running QBs who are not as good as Jalen Hurts or Lamar Jackson,  but better than Minshew or Tyler Huntley.

The Eagles have - Tyree Jackson, Greg Ward, Britain Covey - former running QBs who are playing another position.

Running QBs who Brian Johnson coached who are too expensive right now - Dak Prescott, Anthony Richardson.

Running QBs who Brian Johnson coached who aren't too expensive - D'eriq King, Nick Fitzgerald (retired?), Emory Jones (still in college).

There are even more running QBs who aren't too expensive who could be added to this list.  Dorian Thompson-   , Malik Cunningham - day 3 in this years draft.

So, you put in a rotating set of QBs,  with the goal of having a stocked roster of running QBs,  and none of them are pushed forward into the "do well and get $50 Million a year" class.  You want to avoid that and not encourage that.  None are expensive,  all are replaceable, and none is the real starter.

Running QBs are best.  And one of the reasons why they're best is because QBs don't get better and better at running over the course of years.  They have fresh legs coming out of college and they can run and win right away.  Lamar went 6-1 in his rookie season.  He hasn't gotten better than that.  But 6-1 is really good, and he goes to the playoffs when he isn't hurt. 

The thing about the Eagles, and the Ravens, is that Hurts and Jackson are just too good.  They're not generic players, they're not replaceable,  fans, the locker room and the football gods would be pissed if they were to go.

The last time Britain Covey played QB was in high school.

He was a WR/KR/PR in college.

That's like saying Lane Johnson a former Running QB playing another position🤔

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

The last time Britain Covey played QB was in high school.

He was a WR/KR/PR in college.

That's like saying Lane Johnson a former Running QB playing another position🤔

5 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

Just fine there, for a below average tandem sure. Major drop off from where we were. I'm expecting Howie to do something there as they value the trenches too much. 

Looking at PFF, Jordan Davis had a 72.6 PFF grade.  25/126 DIs, as a rookie.   I'd say that's good.  You have one who is top 1/5, not sure where you're getting below average from.  Milton Williams was just behind Davis.  72.2  27/126 DIs.  That looks like top 1/4 tandem. 

1 hour ago, blindside said:

It’s one game. We’re talking about a hypothetical "can Jalen win without the talent”. You’re using single plays in a single game when the discussion is "is it realistic to imagine a scenario where Hurts can beat Mahomes with all else equal. He showed he can get us damn close. If Hurts’ defense played as well as Mahomes defense, we win. This is a dumb hypothetical. I’m out

It’s the sample size we have, and he didn’t. So let’s stop pretending he did.

And he didn’t when he was on a rookie deal with an all-star team around him. He will have less talent around him moving forward.

2 hours ago, blindside said:

Yeah, sure does. But it isn’t relevant to the point. The entire point is "do we have a QB who can out score Mahomes without a great defense and the answer is yes. The only thing holding up your argument is a defensive TD fluke. 

I suspect that TEW’s point is that Hurts produced a net of 28 points.

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

Richardson should go at 1/1.

Richardson is awful, he shouldn't have come out this year. He's projected to go high because he's a freak athlete, you don't pick a project at one at a position where 90% of the game is mental.

Whoever drafts him is in for a hell of a time, he couldn't even dominate with his physical tools at the college level.