5 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

With the big turnover on the Oline, a change to a 3-4 may be timely. Why is Wade Phillips still unenployed? He’s had 20(!) seasons of top 10 yardage defenses, that’s incredible. Won the SB as Denver’s DC in 2015, made the SB again as LAR’s DC (lost 13-3 to NE, definitely not his fault). 
 

He’s currently coaching in the XFL, he’s not retired

Not THAT experienced lol.  He's a dinosaur.

Seriously, though, it would be nice to have someone who can at least attempt to match some of the better OC's and QB's in the league.  Gannon was just clearly outmatched by Reid and generally got "gutted" by the league better Qbs

 

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Not THAT experienced lol.  He's a dinosaur.

Seriously, though, it would be nice to have someone who can at least attempt to match some of the better OC's and QB's in the league.  Gannon was just clearly outmatched by Reid and generally got "gutted" by the league better Qbs

 

That's Gannons scheme though. I don't think it's due to inexperience. 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I guess it’s like they say, "better to go out on top”.   SMH.  lol

 

In all seriousness, both teams played on the same turf.  One team was ready and/or adjusted accordingly.   The other team didn’t. 

Correct.  The issue isn't that the Eagles lost... the issue is that the NFL was working so hard on that field... and trying to make it 'perfect' and they screwed up royally.  There is no reason that the field should be that slippery in AZ... in a dome... when they worked for, literally, 2 years to get the field right.  That's the embarrassment for the league, and its not about the outcome of the game.  No excuse for a multi-billion dollar organization (NFL) to put such a garbage field out there for their premier event.  That's like the Oscars being hosted and the lights not working properly.  

There was no rain event, there was no unexpected occurrence that could disrupt things with the field.  Literally, the company that put that field together had ONE job for the game, and got paid nearly $1M to do it.  This isn't like the World Series and a freak nor-easter blows through and Game 5 has to be paused for 2 days because one team plays in an open air stadium.  This isn't like the NBA or NHL where their games are played in the home arena and the league really has no control over what is going on with the playing surface.  The NFL took complete control of the field surface situation specifically for this Super Bowl... and that was the result.  Embarrassing for the league, but I won't belly ache about that as it pertains to the outcome.   But, it did make the game tougher on the players and impacted their enjoyment of the game/experience, and it impacted the quality of the game, though it was still a great game!  Credit to the players on both sides for still making the game very entertaining.

 

The loss... that's on the Eagles' coaching staff for not being aggressive enough (Sirianni - kicking a FG and punting in the second half; and Gannon for not going extremely aggressive on that last drive by KC to ensure that one way or the other, the Eagles would be afforded a possession, and wouldn't lose with the offense standing on the sidelines watching it end).  

The ending... that's on the officiating for removing the last two minutes from being part of the excitement of the event by throwing a flag on a ticky tack infraction that they'd let go all game.  Again, not why the Eagles lost, as there's no guarantee that the Eagles even get into FG range to tie, or that they win in OT if it gets there... or that they score a TD at the end to win in regulation.  BUT... the excitement to the game was ended two minutes early, because of a little piece of yellow laundry.  That's NOT how the NFL wants games to be decided.

12 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

If you want that buy them in free agency and keep the pick

There might not be that guy in free agency. Hypothetically, maybe there’s somebody that’s decent in free agency. But a team might want to unload a greater player cause don’t wanna pay him/whatever issue but he’s a great player. Then the trade option is better. Hence, AJ Brown. They could’ve went to free agency like you said signed juju smith Schuster last year. They tried and it didn’t workout (frankly nowhere near what aj brown is). So they went and got AJ Brown because he is a great player, worth the pick they gave up and worth what he got paid. Your argument is essentially juju in FA and pick 18 is better than aj brown? I don’t buy that cause i don’t know who they take at 18 that makes up for the difference in just pure talent of brown and juju. Your original argument was because we don’t have cap space so howie won’t do that. I called bullcrap because if there’s a player of that magnitude at a position they covet they would be willing to give up the 30th pick manipulate the cap to make it work.

Your free agency point only makes sense is the players are equal. if the player is better or equal in FA then yes go that way to preserve the pick. however if it’s something like trading a first for aj brown or signing juju in free agency so you can use pick 30 I’m still taking aj brown because he’s a great player and significantly better than juju and the risk the player at 30 pans out  

 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That's Gannons scheme though. I don't think it's due to inexperience. 

Does the failure to adjust his scheme fall within inexperience.  I would think more experienced DCs adjust more easily to their opponents, field conditions, talent to stop the opposing offense. 

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Does the failure to adjust his scheme fall within inexperience.  I would think more experienced DCs adjust more easily to their opponents, field conditions, talent to stop the opposing offense. 

It could fall under incompetence.  He might not know any other way, or be too stubborn to vary.

Vance Joseph is the name I like most so far. Dennard Wilson is second.

These dbags…

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

Does the failure to adjust his scheme fall within inexperience.  I would think more experienced DCs adjust more easily to their opponents, field conditions, talent to stop the opposing offense. 

I just don't think that's Gannons MO. He'll make minor in game adjustments but his overall focus will stay the same, keep everything in-front of you, don't let the ball get thrown over your head deep, and sell out the run to stop the pass. We saw it every time we played a good QB in 2021. It was a bend and eventually break defense. He's fine with other teams dinking and dunking and hoping they make a crucial mistake along the way or enough minor mistake to get off the field. Which works against bad QB's, but not good to great ones. 

Maybe at some point he'll stop being stubborn in his ways. I think that's a little different though. 

This kid I think is going to be a steal.  Good sized at around 225 with not a lot of wear and tear. 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That's misleading as hell. They are going to have to restructure/extend Kelce if he comes back. He's going to cost $11.5M no matter what, if he comes back it's going to be more against the cap. 

I posted it cause i figured you or DUM would prove that slay and kelce wouldn’t work in restructures. Cause i saw that and didn’t think slay could. And i thought last offseason it was said they were in a challenging spot with kelce. I do think lane and elliott they probably can but haven’t looked at their contracts. Probably also can with sweat, reddick and mailata as well but i haven’t looked at either of their contracts yet. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

These dbags…

In fairness to them, you couldn’t watch anything related to the Super Bowl in the weeks prior without someone talking about our 70+ sacks and "the vaunted Eagles D Line”. 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I just don't think that's Gannons MO. He'll make minor in game adjustments but his overall focus will stay the same, keep everything in-front of you, don't let the ball get thrown over your head deep, and sell out the run to stop the pass. We saw it every time we played a good QB in 2021. It was a bend and eventually break defense. He's fine with other teams dinking and dunking and hoping they make a crucial mistake along the way or enough minor mistake to get off the field. Which works against bad QB's, but not good to great ones. 

Maybe at some point he'll stop being stubborn in his ways. I think that's a little different though. 

New Philly special podcast yesterday solak goes in-depth on Gannon. I tend to side with his line of thinking about Gannon. It was pretty spot on and he didn’t just crush Gannon. He gave reasons for his logic but did give him credit for being able to relate to players and a good at intangible stuff 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

These dbags…

So much drama... gotta find a way to feel slighted.   Granted, the DL was slipping and falling, so its not like they were at 100%, but whatever.  Good for them.

 

 

But, just not a likeable group.  Eagles' DL didn't speak out against the Chiefs' OL.  Nothing but respect was shown before the game, during the game...  These days though, no one can celebrate anything without having to tear someone else down.  It's sad.  This is the world we live in now.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

In fairness to them, you couldn’t watch anything related to the Super Bowl in the weeks prior without someone talking about our 70+ sacks and "the vaunted Eagles D Line”. 

And the Chiefs’ game plan protected them accordingly, as did the playing surface. 

25 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Not THAT experienced lol.  He's a dinosaur.

Seriously, though, it would be nice to have someone who can at least attempt to match some of the better OC's and QB's in the league.  Gannon was just clearly outmatched by Reid and generally got "gutted" by the league better Qbs

 

I like wade Philips he's been the DC of some really good defensive players, von Miller, Aaron Donald, Bruce smith, DeMarcus Ware to name a few.

The dudes 75 years old though, was the eagles D coordinator from 84-87?

So would that qualify as a retread???

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

And the Chiefs’ game plan protected them accordingly, as did your playing surface. 

Definitely not my playing surface. 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Definitely not my playing surface. 

You beat the edit. Dammit. 

I've avoided listening to NFL Radio all week as well as other sports talk shows; I'll pick it up again at the end of the week when they're likely on to the offseason -- FA, draft, trade talk.  

Super Bowl 57 will not be one I ever re-watch.  It's over, done, and in the trash bin for me.  The focus now is getting back -- I still don't see an NFC team we can't beat with the right offseason moves.  We'll see how the next 6 weeks go.  As long as they don't let CJGJ go .... because they signed Epps, after all.  

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

In fairness to them, you couldn’t watch anything related to the Super Bowl in the weeks prior without someone talking about our 70+ sacks and "the vaunted Eagles D Line”. 

The field had more to do with them not giving up any sacks than they did.

Tough to get sacks when the defensive rusher can't plant and turn the corner.

This Chiefs team are showing to be a bunch of Ass hats 

When the eagles won in 2017 i don't remember them trolling the pats or any other team, show some class, I can't wait til next year in a field that isn't covered in oil.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I posted it cause i figured you or DUM would prove that slay and kelce wouldn’t work in restructures. Cause i saw that and didn’t think slay could. And i thought last offseason it was said they were in a challenging spot with kelce. I do think lane and elliott they probably can but haven’t looked at their contracts. Probably also can with sweat, reddick and mailata as well but i haven’t looked at either of their contracts yet. 

Kelce they absolutely have to do something with because he has a poison pill in his contract, so they can't just leave it as is. And the $11.5 number or whatever is was is all the prorated amount they kicked the can with. It's hard to say what it will look like because it depends if he's retiring or not. 

Slay, I think they have a few options. They could do something similar to what they did with Cox. I'm curious if they could tack on an extra year in 2024 that automatically voids the 3rd day of the new league year. That would allow them to restructure, but its kicking more can down the line. I suspect they will do something, but I doubt it's a simple restructure as suggested. 

I think it was Jason from OTC that said Eagles are bottom five in the league with optionality to restructure and free up cap. Mostly because they have already done it so much recently. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Kelce they absolutely have to do something with because he has a poison pill in his contract, so they can't just leave it as is. And the $11.5 number or whatever is was is all the prorated amount they kicked the can with. It's hard to say what it will look like because it depends if he's retiring or not. 

Slay, I think they have a few options. They could do something similar to what they did with Cox. I'm curious if they could tack on an extra year in 2024 that automatically voids the 3rd day of the new league year. That would allow them to restructure, but its kicking more can down the line. I suspect they will do something, but I doubt it's a simple restructure as suggested. 

I think it was Jason from OTC that said Eagles are bottom five in the league with optionality to restructure and free up cap. Mostly because they have already done it so much recently. 

I think the guys they likely still can comes down to mailata, reddick, sweat and brown considering they just got their deals and likely set them up to be able to restructure at some point. But i also haven’t looked deeper into them on overthecap but I figured if they restructure some of their guys I’m guessing that’s probably the guys who it’s gonna be (could be completely wrong as haven’t looked in depth at their contracts)

37 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Would really prefer an experienced DC for the open position.  Someone who can come in with a plan and handle all the responsibilities right out of the gate.  Having a young, first time DC just doesn't seem like the right move with a roster ready to compete.  Yeah, maybe we could strike gold with one of the younger candidates but we could also strike out.

I think there's only one candidate on the staff that has enough experience and that's Dennard Wilson.  I do think he is a good candidate with backgrounds in several different schemes.  I don't know that I would want the veteran coordinators that are out there as new DCs.  

14 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I like wade Philips he's been the DC of some really good defensive players, von Miller, Aaron Donald, Bruce smith, DeMarcus Ware to name a few.

The dudes 75 years old though, was the eagles D coordinator from 84-87?

So would that qualify as a retread???

I can't imagine Wade Phillips still wants to coach.  

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the guys they likely still can comes down to mailata, reddick, sweat and brown considering they just got their deals and likely set them up to be able to restructure at some point. But i also haven’t looked deeper into them on overthecap but I figured if they restructure some of their guys I’m guessing that’s probably the guys who it’s gonna be (could be completely wrong as haven’t looked in depth at their contracts)

Problem is those guy don't have big base salaries. Spotrac and OTC both have all 4 with only $1,080,000 base so it looks like Howie structured them all similarly. All 4 are prime 2024 restructures because that's when they jump to like $14M+ base salary each. 

I think they do something with Slay and restructure Lane Johnson. Also wouldn't be surprised if Quez is cut. It's hard to even trust him at this point as is and he's almost $3M with barely any dead money.