10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think he scoffed at the Eagles offer. But then the market told him he wasn’t going to get any multiyear deal that was worth what he thought. So instead of taking the Eagles multiyear deal that he thought was extremely undervalued that he would take a one-year contract and prove his value this upcoming season so that he can get paid the next season. I think also, the Eagles probably would’ve offered them something similar to that for a year but at that point I think he was done with the Eagles cause he didn’t love the fact that they " lowballed” him 

Good luck to him I guess, reminds me a bit of Damon Moore who gambled then tore his ACL.

Hopefully for him he stays healthy.

Other than that he's no longer an eagle so...

Hopefully Howie has a good plan b?

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

This and McLane makes is sound like the Eagles chose Bradberry and Slay over CJGJ. As if they couldn't afford both. But that contradicts earlier reports they still wanted him back.

 

 

They chose a 32 year old Slay over CJGJ when they already had Bradberry locked up.  Wtf

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m guessing it wasn’t their intention but Epps got a deal early and didn’t want to wait around. 

Yeah not really gonna lose sleep over Epps. Don’t think he’s that good anyway. I’m fine with Blankenship competing with one starting spot and signing someone like Johnson. People forget but before Johnson signed with the browns he was one of the better coverage safeties in the league. I think he is a candidate to return back to form in the right scheme 

McLane and Clark's reports don't explain why Howie didn't double back to CJGJ though. "They moved on." What does that mean? Could they not afford him? If so, and they wanted him enough to offer him a long-term deal at the beginning of free agency, then why wouldn't you want him back on a cheaper deal?

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Ill make another point about Mills here. As we know, he was arguably as good or better than both Epps, and Gardner-Johnson. But the comparison is not equal. Mills played here in a time where we played a ton of single high stuff. Mills was a tad slow for the CB position, and for being a single high safety.

Gannon's defense would have benefitted him even more. Bu all accounts, Dessai's will be similar. Mills wont have to cover so much field. His lack of speed wont be exploited as much. He will have a smaller zone to cover, and will be able to key downhill quicker to help support the run which he is excellent at as well.

I think he and Blankenship sneakily make a solid to good safety tandem.

Again, not ideal. Not anyone's first choices. Upgrade it if you can. But as a minimum, I want Mills here, and now. 

I can’t meet you there. Mills and Blankenship is about as bad as it gets.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

McLane and Clark's reports don't explain why Howie didn't double back to CJGJ though. "They moved on." What does that mean? Could they not afford him? If so, and they wanted him enough to offer him a long-term deal at the beginning of free agency, then why wouldn't you want him back on a cheaper deal?

"This is the deal and if you don’t want it, we’re out” 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

McLane and Clark's reports don't explain why Howie didn't double back to CJGJ though. "They moved on." What does that mean? Could they not afford him? If so, and they wanted him enough to offer him a long-term deal at the beginning of free agency, then why wouldn't you want him back on a cheaper deal?

Probably saw he was a pain in the ass and decided not dealing with this headache after giving him their best offer 

Just now, Texas Eagle said:

I can’t meet you there. Mills and Blankenship is about as bad as it gets.

as names on paper, yes.

In reality, by all statistical measures, Mills isnt any worse than the 2 starters we had last year. (except for Gardner-Johnson's fluky INTs).

8 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

It’s only 6.5 guaranteed

Seems like a loss for CJGJ...

I'm going to guess Howie offered at least that if not more and CJGJ turned it down as he felt slighted then signed for less out of spite.

The dudes a head case.

21 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Wtf Howie

F'n joke. No point of all these expensive front office guys when we continue to piss on the linebacker and safety position. 

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

I don't blame Howie for moving on, you can't wait forever when you have so many free agents. I would have preferred CJ to Bradberry though, mostly because he's younger. Bradberry will be a zone only corner soon if he isn't already. Our entire defense screams zone right now.

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I can’t meet you there. Mills and Blankenship is about as bad as it gets.

Worse 

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

F'n joke. No point of all these expensive front office guys when we continue to piss on the linebacker and safety position. 

We literally just got to the SB with that approach. 

6 minutes ago, bitbased said:

Yup, figured as much. He didn't want a multi-year deal because he was so obsessed over chasing money. Whatever. Probably a pretty good chance he would've priced himself out of our range next year if we gave him a single year deal and he played well.

 

Could have gotten a decent comp pick in that case then.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

London, Pitts (if healthy), Hollins, Jonnu Smith.  That's a huge group of targets for whoever they draft or Ridder. 

Letting emotions get in the way of retaining quality players is bad general managing. If that is the case.

First miss of the off-season by Howie. We should have matched or even exceeded that 1 year offer.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Ill make another point about Mills here. As we know, he was arguably as good or better than both Epps, and Gardner-Johnson. But the comparison is not equal. Mills played here in a time where we played a ton of single high stuff. Mills was a tad slow for the CB position, and for being a single high safety.

Gannon's defense would have benefitted him even more. By all accounts, Dessai's will be similar. Mills wont have to cover so much field. His lack of speed wont be exploited as much. He will have a smaller zone to cover, and will be able to key downhill quicker to help support the run which he is excellent at as well.

I think he and Blankenship sneakily make a solid to good safety tandem.

Again, not ideal. Not anyone's first choices. Upgrade it if you can. But as a minimum, I want Mills here, and now. 

Agree. Mills is a good player. The double move stuff was at CB so may not affect the Eagles. He’s a skilled played and plenty fast enough to play safety. Has some swag. Not my first choice but they could do worse. I’d trust him more than I did Epps or Wallace last year. 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Letting emotions get in the way of retaining quality players is bad general managing. If that is the case.

I’m fine letting him walk if we didn’t put all of our eggs in his basket. But now it’s well into FA and all the safeties are gone and we don’t draft safeties, at least not early enough for day 1 impact. This seems mishandled by both Howie and CJ.

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think you make your own luck, in part though. He had the speed and range to be in the area of playmakers. I don't think it's just blind chance the ball happened to find his hands and not Marcus Epps. They found him because he was always in the area he needed to be.

Meh. It’s too small of a sample size for me to bank on him being a ballhawk.

2 hours ago, uncphillyfan said:

Dead around here this weekend 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

McLane and Clark's reports don't explain why Howie didn't double back to CJGJ though. "They moved on." What does that mean? Could they not afford him? If so, and they wanted him enough to offer him a long-term deal at the beginning of free agency, then why wouldn't you want him back on a cheaper deal?

My assumption is Bradberry got CGJ’s money.  I don’t think they expected Bradberry was willing to come back.  When they "released” Slay to free up money I suspect they made CGJ one more offer.  When he balked at their final offer, they put the money back into bringing Slay back.

Just now, RLC said:

We literally just got to the SB with that approach. 

It took forever to finally become respectable at those positions and we had it for exactly 1 year, great. 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Letting emotions get in the way of retaining quality players is bad general managing. If that is the case.

Under the assumption that cjgj didn’t want to come back getting a multi year deal where felt slighted by the offer and was also out on the eagles after he felt "insulted” by their offer.