9 hours ago, The guy in France said:

I don’t know how strong not good on the bench and a little light, both can be fixed don’t you think. The podcasters I’ve watched always bring up that he was being held back by Iowa’s system of playing time not being based on merit but seniority. Can he learn and become proficient with pass rushing moves or is his bull rush good enough ? Trade up for Carter, Anderson or Wilson or trade back and take best available since none of the other guys are clear cut elite. Van Ness is my favorite at what I project available DL at 10. These guys don’t like him that much either but a good site for quick study on players

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Lukas-VanNess-DL-Iowa

I don't want to reach for a position over better players. Van Ness at 10 would be that for me. I don't see the explosion off the ball or pass rushing prowess worthy for 10. I get it though. He tested well, has barely scratched his surface since Iowa didn't play him enough or maybe to his strengths. He looks like Hercules, has the hair of Adonis. I'm just not feeling him at 10. We all have our guys, he's just not one of them for me. Of course if he's picked I will try to look at all his positives including the Adonis hair and just hope for the best. 

6 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Interesting choice there. Maybe Jalen left him out of the special handshake clique.

Lamar Jackson is really well respected by his peers. It’s no surprise that he chose him. Honestly, though, how would you rank it? I certainly wouldn’t have Hurts first. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Lamar Jackson is really well respected by his peers. It’s no surprise that he chose him. Honestly, though, how would you rank it?  Certainly wouldn’t have Hurts first. 

Feels like a shot at the Eagles to me. And Lamar shouldn’t be the highest paid on that list for a variety of reasons.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Lamar Jackson is really well respected by his peers. It’s no surprise that he chose him. Honestly, though, how would you rank it? I certainly wouldn’t have Hurts first. 

Lamar is easily 3rd or 4th on that list.

I would go Burrow and Hurts, then a tier down would be Lamar and Herbert. I love Herbert's arm talent but I think he's been a bit overrated thus far.

Just now, Thrive said:

Feels like a shot at the Eagles to me. And Lamar shouldn’t be the highest paid on that list for a variety of reasons.

I agree he shouldn’t be first. I’d probably have it Burrow, Herbert, Hurts/Jackson. 

15 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

Whoever put these stats together did it wrong.

Last 5 years (2018-2022) for LV:

Maxx Crosby: 3665 snaps, drafted 2019

Colton Miller: 5163 snaps, drafted 2018

Josh Jacobs: 2523 snaps, drafted 2019

Hunter Renfrow: 2120 snaps, drafted 2019

 

That’s already 13,471 with only 4 players, not counting ALL the other dudes they drafted (and only counting offensive snaps not special teams), yet they’re listed under 12,000 in that tweet. Who knows if any team on this list is right.

1 minute ago, Thrive said:

Feels like a shot at the Eagles to me. And Lamar shouldn’t be the highest paid on that list for a variety of reasons.

100% agreed. CJ is a clown who is trying way too hard.

Just now, ManuManu said:

I agree he shouldn’t be first. I’d probably have it Burrow, Herbert, Hurts/Jackson. 

What has Herbert done to deserve to be paid more than Hurts and Lamar. Dude hasn't won a thing.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

100% agreed. CJ is a clown who is trying way too hard.

He obviously won’t get the benefit of the doubt, but I didn’t take it as a shot. 

7 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Feels like a shot at the Eagles to me. And Lamar shouldn’t be the highest paid on that list for a variety of reasons.

It does. Glad he's gone at this point. Seems juvenile and was definitely overrated

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

He obviously won’t get the benefit of the doubt, but I didn’t take it as a shot. 

Maybe it isn't but you have to read the room and realize it will come off that way. Of course, maybe that was his intent.

4 hours ago, T-1000 said:

What has Herbert done to deserve to be paid more than Hurts and Lamar. Dude hasn't won a thing.

I think the "he hasn’t won anything” is lazy. Herbert is damn good. He’d be a sizable step up from Hurts with our weapons, OL, coaching. 

Just now, T-1000 said:

Maybe it isn't but you have to read the room and realize it will come off that way. Of course, maybe that was his intent.

I don’t think he has the ability to read the room. 

6 hours ago, Utebird said:

At the time no one had a problem with the pick 

Fred X was coming off a huge rose bowl win where he had over 200yards against one of the top rated corners In the nation( Jamar Fletcher) also a bust...

Fred X was coming off a good combine and most mocks had him going middle of the 1st Round.

So it's not like it was an egregious reach or anything, Mitchell just ended up sucking.

Personally as a Utah fan I wanted Reid to take Steve Smith in the 2nd but for some reason he didn't listen to me 🤷‍♂️

I had a major problem with the pick. Reggie Wayne was the obvious selection right there I thought. So was Witten in 2003. Imagine this team with Wayne & Witten. Could very well be the difference in us winning a Super Bowl(s) during those years. But no, the Eagles always have to think they are the smartest in the room, going for reaches and outside the box picks, still happens to this day no less. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I think the "he isn’t won anything” is lazy. Herbert is damn good. He’d be a sizable step up from Hurts with our weapons, OL, coaching. 

Right or wrong, QB's are judged greatly by winning and with Herbert the Chargers haven't won a thing. If arm talent was the driving force on which QB's were the best Dan Marino would be ahead of Brady and Montana in the goat talk. Herbert's numbers also went down significantly last season, while Hurts's went up. I just think people get enamored with Herbert's size and arm talent but until he starts turning that into in a modicum of post season success he is overrated in my humble opinion.

 

21 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Interesting choice there. Maybe Jalen left him out of the special handshake clique.

The argument that Jalen had talent around him is the only reason he got so far works with every QB in the nfl. Where do the Chiefs go without the second best Oline and Travis Kelce? They probably don’t make it past Jacksonville which was a relatively close divisional round game.

”Lamar is more valuable because he does more with less!” Is what the comments are saying. No, he does less with less. His playoff history reads like Dak Prescott. He needs AJ brown as much as Jalen does, but Jalen has proven to succeed with him; with Lamar it’s only a hypothetical. Burrow probably goes nowhere without Chase, Chase was their 2021 playoff MVP.

 

Silly arguments

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lamar Jackson is really well respected by his peers. It’s no surprise that he chose him. Honestly, though, how would you rank it? I certainly wouldn’t have Hurts first. 

Health permitting I’d have Hurts first because he’s a one man system with decisions making that no one seems to be able to stop. Then Burrow, Herbert, Lamar. Factoring in injury Id have Burrow first since could still do what he does with no legs.  Herbert couldn’t do what Hurts does and I think the offense would take a big step back. Just my opinion. 
 

If someone put Hurts on that list coming into last year I’d laugh hysterically. But here we are. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think he has the ability to read the room. 

Lol, good point.

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lamar Jackson is really well respected by his peers. It’s no surprise that he chose him. Honestly, though, how would you rank it? I certainly wouldn’t have Hurts first. 

Deserves?  Burrow, Hurts, Jackson, Herbert

Who would I give an extension to with current information and projected performance?  Jackson would definitely be last.  In fact, if I were the Ravens I’d be planning a way out and on to another QB

1 minute ago, Estasi said:

Health permitting I’d have Hurts first because he’s a one man system with decisions making that no one seems to be able to stop. Then Burrow, Herbert, Lamar. Factoring in injury I Burrow could still do what he does with no legs.  Just my opinion. 
 

If someone put Hurts on that list coming into last year I’d laugh hysterically. But here we are. 

I still have a hard time putting Hurts ahead of Burrow at this point. Burrow comes across like a historical passer. But, then again, Hurts passing is rapidly improving and the projection is quite ridiculous.

Hebert is all talent but I’m wondering if he’s a mental midget (no offense of course). Something about the lack of consistent success of that offense is bizarre given their talent.

Preferring Burrow or Herbert over Hurts is more than reasonable, but CJGJ knows what he's doing. That's the issue.

Burrow has 5 playoff wins in 3 seasons as a starter! Can easily make the case he's QB2 in the NFL.

26 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Interesting choice there. Maybe Jalen left him out of the special handshake clique.

 

10 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Maybe it isn't but you have to read the room and realize it will come off that way. Of course, maybe that was his intent.

 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think he has the ability to read the room. 

 

5 hours ago, Estasi said:

You think Gibbs will still be there? I feel like his speed numbers alone will have someone take him fairly early. 

He was there in Reuter’s mock, but in real life I think you are right.

3 minutes ago, Thrive said:

I still have a hard time putting Hurts ahead of Burrow at this point. Burrow comes across like a historical passer. But, then again, Hurts passing is rapidly improving and the projection is quite ridiculous.

Hebert is all talent but I’m wondering if he’s a mental midget (no offense of course). Something about the lack of consistent success of that offense is bizarre given their talent.

Yeah I edited my post to fix a couple sentences but I agree for the most part. I just think Hurts is still a little underrated. What he does to defense is so unique and his decision making is really quite amazing at times for his youth. I just feel like he’s so unique that he’s hard to gauge I guess. No disrespect to Burrow though. He’s a beast. Just a different kind.