7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Howie attachment issues or maybe just to keep trolling the Giants 

You and I (maybe someone else in there) were pretty excited when we signed him off the Saints’ PS. He was a nice find for Howie. But, yeah, seems like Howie is a little too attached. Maybe he has a Boston Scott Fathead in his office. 

The "For You” Twitter tab is mostly a cesspool, but then I stumbled upon this gem. I’m embarrassed to say I literally LOL’d. 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Living in Kansas I'm obligated to root for K St.

Their point guard is pretty good.

👍

I pegged you as living in SLC

45 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Both are extremely iffy. I wouldn't bet on either actually. Gainwell is a nice rotational back and Scott serves a purpose as well. Apparently the staff really likes Sermon and he will get a shot in camp. Add a back like Roschon plus Penny and I think that's a solid room. Gibbs is very enticing as well and gives a totally different element but does Howie go RB at 30 if he's even there or do we load up on young defenders... 

Would you say that Gainwell’s performance in the playoffs was the performance of "a nice rotational back”?

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Would you say that Gainwell’s performance in the playoffs was the performance of "a nice rotational back”?

Would you say that Foles’ play in 2018 playoffs was the performance of a franchise QB? A few game stretch doesn’t determine the career of a player. Gainwell is most certainly a rotational RB at best - if that’s what you’re arguing against.

12 hours ago, eagle45 said:

The present issue at safety is that Edmunds/Evans/Blankenship are all box safeties who will be targeted in coverage.  If 2 of those 3 are in the defensive backfield, it's going to be bombs away over the top.  If we are investing unending first round picks in the DL, I'd prefer not to require even one safety that is a glorified linebacker in coverage who needs to live in the box, but 2 such safeties will be a real liability.

I wonder if they have plans for Maddox as the deep safety, although that will leave them in need of a different solution for several games per season.

Not sure I agree that Edmunds and Blakenship are box Ss.  I think they are zone downfield charging Ss (which, BTW fit Morrow in college).  Evans actually was a midfielder in college but came downhill a bunch (with mixed success due to his allergy to tackling).  Blakenship actually has decent instincts and angles but lacks ideal speed.  But downhill works for him.  Edmunds has the speed but maybe not the quickness and his angles/instincts are not great. 

2 hours ago, TEW said:

What athletic test is a better measure of a player‘s athleticism?

the 40 time has always been the top stat.  The one that's talked about the most.  they do a lot of running out there.  sometimes they turn or stop and change direction, but there is a lot more straight line running. 

37 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Would you say that Foles’ play in 2018 playoffs makes him a franchise QB? A few game stretch doesn’t determine the career of a player. Gainwell is most certainly a rotational RB at best - if that’s what you’re arguing against.

Huge difference.  If you had said "an NFL starting QB” rather than a "franchise QB” you would have been describing a logical equivalent.  There are less than 10 franchise QBs in the NFL.  

The projection of Gainwell isn’t as an All Pro.  What is being contemplated is whether he is capable of being one of 32 starting RBs in the NFL.

Another huge difference between Foles and Gainwell is where they each were in their respective careers. Gainwell’s playoffs performance was at the end of his second NFL season.  Foles’ was at the end of his sixth NFL season.  Gainwell MAY still be in an ascending career.  Foles definitely was past his prime playing days … in a descending career.

Bottom-line you are prejudging Gainwell based on your biases.  I have no problem with that, but it is what it is.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

You and I (maybe someone else in there) were pretty excited when we signed him off the Saints’ PS. He was a nice find for Howie. But, yeah, seems like Howie is a little too attached. Maybe he has a Boston Scott Fathead in his office. 

Maybe Howie only watches Giants games. 

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Huge difference.  If you had said "an NFL starting QB” rather than a "franchise QB” you would have been describing a logical equivalent.  There are less than 10 franchise QBs in the NFL.  

The projection of Gainwell isn’t as an All Pro.  What is being contemplated is whether he is capable of being one of 32 starting RBs in the NFL.

Another huge difference between Foles and Gainwell is where they each were in their respective careers. Gainwell’s playoffs performance was at the end of his second NFL season.  Foles’ was at the end of his sixth NFL season.  Gainwell MAY still be in an ascending career.  Foles definitely was past his prime playing days … in a descending career.

Bottom-line you are prejudging Gainwell based on your biases.  I have no problem with that, but it is what it is.

You are going too deep into a simple off the cuff comparison. The point is that Gainwell is still a rotational back until proven otherwise, regardless of his effectiveness in the playoff run this year.

I hope you end up being right but it’s too early to question someone saying that he’s not a starter.

Bobby Wagner back to Seahawks. Strange. Chased a ring on the wrong team.

12 hours ago, TEW said:

Call me a contrarian, but I’m starting to think 40 times are the most UNDERrated combine measurement.

It’s just so predictive at so many positions. If a player kills it on his 40, you basically know they have the physical talent to make it.

More so, the hundredths of a second mean a lot. There actually is a BIG difference between a 4.38 and 4.43. Those 5 hundredths of a second end up being responsible for a lot of points.

It’s basically ubiquitous across positions. 

Bend and quickness matter a lot in football.  I think 3 cone, short shuttle really matter.  We see a lot of speedsters (4.3-4.4 forties) that don’t make it because they are stiff. Or they process slowly, don’t take coaching, have bad hands, etc.  @austinfan  catches a lot of grief but he is right about how the jumps measure for DL and IL.  As one that looks at the measurables, I will say that to me, especially for defense and OL, the position drills are what catch my eye the most.  

As to 4.38 guy will be tackled by a 4.43 99% of the time and by a 4.6 S that has great instincts and good angles 95% of the time.   Football isn’t a track meet and when was the last time you saw a football player in a track stance.  But the lean and change of direction in a 3 cone or short shuttle or the flip of the hips in the DB position drill?  Those are more football oriented 

21 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Bobby Wagner back to Seahawks. Strange. Chased a ring on the wrong team.

1 year 7 mil... Damn it Howie 

Evans love to hit in college , violent . He looks to tackle , did he miss too many tackles ? Yes he did , but he didn’t hide from them

31 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Huge difference.  If you had said "an NFL starting QB” rather than a "franchise QB” you would have been describing a logical equivalent.  There are less than 10 franchise QBs in the NFL.  

The projection of Gainwell isn’t as an All Pro.  What is being contemplated is whether he is capable of being one of 32 starting RBs in the NFL.

Another huge difference between Foles and Gainwell is where they each were in their respective careers. Gainwell’s playoffs performance was at the end of his second NFL season.  Foles’ was at the end of his sixth NFL season.  Gainwell MAY still be in an ascending career.  Foles definitely was past his prime playing days … in a descending career.

Bottom-line you are prejudging Gainwell based on your biases.  I have no problem with that, but it is what it is.

These type comparisons never cease to befuddle me.

Foles was lightning in a bottle, unleashed, all due respect, and then some. Build him a Statue....oh, Done Deal.

Gainwell is an ongoing concern, certainly capable, often surprising and definitely durable.

Let's let it play out without taking a chainsaw to his future.

That would be facile.

9 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

He didn't run at the combine or pro day.

We really don't know.   Back a year ago,  there was debate about which 1st round ILB was better, Dean or Lloyd. What people said was that Dean was the faster one.   But we don't know because there was no combine or pro day.
 

We don’t know but any team with film and AI knows all the measureables on all players. 

50 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

the 40 time has always been the top stat.  The one that's talked about the most.  they do a lot of running out there.  sometimes they turn or stop and change direction, but there is a lot more straight line running. 

Sometimes?

12 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

These type comparisons never cease to befuddle me.

Foles was lightning in a bottle, unleashed, all due respect, and then some. Build him a Statue....oh, Done Deal.

Gainwell is an ongoing concern, certainly capable, often surprising and definitely durable.

Let's let it play out without taking a chainsaw to his future.

That would be facile.

Defending Gainwell while dismissing Foles in the same point. Think I’ve seen it all now on the EMB. 

8 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

On the old EMB, someone was talking about her and I was shocked to learn that she had actually posed nude back in the 40's or 50's lol. 

I loved the roles she played as a vixen. 

47 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

You are going too deep into a simple off the cuff comparison. The point is that Gainwell is still a rotational back until proven otherwise, regardless of his effectiveness in the playoff run this year.

I hope you end up being right but it’s too early to question someone saying that he’s not a starter.

Okay, I’ll bite.  Who is the Eagles’ RB starter right now? 

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Okay, I’ll bite.  Who is the Eagles’ RB starter right now? 

His name will be announced on draft weekend 

6 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Defending Gainwell while dismissing Foles in the same point. Think I’ve seen it all now on the EMB. 

Nobody has dismissed Foles.  He was what he was.  Just for grins what is your comparison of post 2017 Super Bowl Foles to post 2013 Pro Bowl Foles?

3 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

His name will be announced on draft weekend 

And if the Eagles don’t select a RB in the Draft?

3 hours ago, TEW said:

Right, but it has become trendy for people who follow football to dismiss the 40 as overrated.

What I’m saying is that of all the tests, it is the single most useful test across all positions. A really bad 40 all but ensures a player does not have the requisite athleticism to contribute at the NFL level. A really good 40 all but ensures he does. Obviously you have to judge a player’s skill and such, but the 40 gives you excellent insight into the limits and upside of a player.

False. 

40 time has no correlation to if someone can succeed or not in the NFL. It’s a practiced, trained run from a sprinter’s stance with no pads, no context. It’s how fast can you run in a straight line, for 40 yards nothing more. Which almost never happens in the NFL outside of 1 position. It’s a spectacle to give causal viewers more entertainment. 
 

Larry Fitzgerald and Jerry Rice were slow AF and are two all-time greats. 40 shows nothing useful for DL, OL, or QB. LBer is teetering, and decently not a big deal for RB who are normally seeing contact or change of direction within 5 yards. 
 

The combine is for entertainment, or else they’d have them doing actual drills with defenders, different coverages, situational football etc. 

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

And if the Eagles don’t select a RB in the Draft?

If you think the oft-injured Penny on a 1 year 1M deal or Gainwell are starting RBs then I’m not sure I can talk any more sense into you. At best they are a committee.