1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

 

Value or players that aren't good?

 

Not good. These aren’t experienced vets like Suh or Joseph chasing a ring. These are young guys who didn’t get paid much more than their rookie contracts in their supposed prime years getting paid next to nothing because they aren’t valued around the league. 

Even the Eagles PR team thinks their jags, they released a video calling one of them "Justin Morrow”.

I read various articles about Desai, but this one gave the absolute best break down of the Fangio scheme. I should have included it with my previous post.

https://theathletic.com/3311028/2022/05/24/vic-fangio-defense-analysis/?source=user_shared_article

25 minutes ago, RLC said:

The best comparison that I've seen for Gibbs is CJ Spiller or lighter Alvin Kamara. At 60? Let's ride. At 31? I'm not sure that's worth it.

Why CJ Spiller? He was terrible.

28 minutes ago, RLC said:

The best comparison that I've seen for Gibbs is CJ Spiller or lighter Alvin Kamara. At 60? Let's ride. At 31? I'm not sure that's worth it.

For me the logical place to take him is in the mid-Second Round with a pick we got from trading down at 10 … or traded down to from 30.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Surfside over by Freeport/Brazosport.  Great time of year to do that.  Skeeters can be bad in summer if the wind isn’t coming off the ocean at night. 

Yeah we heard that from people that had been in the summer, that the mosquitoes were/are just awful.

Luckily we avoided that, weather wasn't the best rained a couple times but we had a few days and it was fun.

1 hour ago, The guy in France said:

 

From that pic looks as if the DB was early, not surprising it wasn't called, refs didn't call anything the whole game until the last minute...😒

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

 

Value or players that aren't good?

 

If just one of them comes close to living up to their capabilites, that's a gamble worth taking for those prices.  Add in Greedy Williams and the Eagles added two former 1st and two fomer 2nd round picks for pennies to the dollar.  None of them were reaches in the draft and were picked where many thought they would with the exception of Penny, who was picked after a small run on RB in the 1st round.  I'm most intrigued by Evans and Greedy with whatever healthy games they get from Penny as a bonus.

Justin Evans pre-draft from NFL.com

Soft-spoken but carries a walloping stick. Plays the game with an elevated sense of urgency and excitement. He is a little undersized, but has plus speed, is an extremely physical hitter and can play deep or near the line of scrimmage. Athleticism and ball skills might lead a team to test him out as a slot corner. Regardless of where he plays, he has the talent to become a plus NFL starter and a potential Day 2 (Rounds 2-3) draft selection.

Greedy Williams pre-draft from NFL.com

Long, athletic cornerback who is more smooth and fluid than twitchy and sudden in his coverage. Williams has the instincts and tools to play a variety of coverages, but his length and pattern-matching talent will likely get him drafted to handle press-man duties. His ball production dropped a little from 2017 and he continued to struggle with finding the ball downfield, but he is rarely ever out of position. He needs to get stronger and more competitive in run support, but he has the talent and traits to become a CB1.

Terrell Edmunds pre-draft from NFL.com

While younger brother Trumaine may get the headlines in this year's draft, Terrell is a quality prospect in his own right. Edmunds has size and burst which are coveted traits at the position. He has man cover talent against big targets and should step right into a role on the coverage units for special teams. Edmunds is at his best near the line of scrimmage and has eventual starter potential, but inconsistencies as an open field tackler may be a cause for concern in some NFL war rooms.

Rashaad Penny pre-draft from NFL.com

Volume-carry running back who plays with an active running style that rarely sees him slow his feet. Penny has the short-area foot quickness to create yardage for himself, but he doesn't really have the burst or long speed to be a homerun hitter. His motor gives him a chance to be a productive NFL starter, but he may lack the explosiveness to be a great back.

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Tried to do some light digging on Fangio’s scheme and Desai’s time in Chicago. I’m not sure if it was due to a lack of talent at LB behind Roquon Smith, but Desai played quite a bit of dime coverage. I didn’t see a final season breakdown, but one story at midseason had their third safety playing around 15-20 percent of the snaps in place of a second LB. He used Eddie Jackson all over the place, including a big uptick in slot coverage vs Darren Waller. The closest player we have to that as a movable chess piece is Justin Evans, whose contract is pretty similar to Edmunds’ ($1.6M with $600 guaranteed vs $2M with $600 guaranteed). 

We know Desai is a Fangio disciple and Gannon tried to implement many of his principles, in sort of an off-brand generic way. Under Gannon, however, our safeties flipped sides, allowing CJGJ to play on the wide side of the field where his speed and coverage ability was needed to cover more ground rather than Epps. In a true Fangio scheme, the safeties don’t flip sides and are more interchangeable. They line up frequently in two deep and  spin post snap (rotating one safety to single high while the other comes down into the box area/intermediate zone). This is done to disguise coverage presnap and to hold the QB’s eyes an extra beat to determine the coverage and allow the pass rush to get home. Basically, the goal is for the defense to look the same presnap every play to make the QB have to read post snap, limiting easy reads. 

As it stands, we have a clunky set of  interchangeable safeties in Blankenship and Edmunds (if they’re the projected starters) with Evans lurking. Edmunds has lined up all over the place, but doesn’t seem like a real FS type like Eddie Jackson. Blankenship isn’t that type of player either, making him and Edmunds a bad fit next to each other theoretically. I don’t know how the safety rotations split up under Fangio (does one rotate into single high 65 percent after spinning while the other picks up the other 35 or is it close to 50-50?) How much interchangeability do you need to keep the QB’s eyes honest? Maybe the ratio of safeties rotating has to do with the opponent’s presnap look.

Fangio’s bread and butter is cover 6 (cover 2 to the weak side and cover 4 to the strong side). The deep safety can cover deep over the isolated X receiver while on the strong side the safety has less distance to cover in 1/4 coverage. Where the spinning comes into play is when Fangio rotates into cover 1 and cover 3 to take away crossing routes. He often deploys match coverage, where the corners, nickels, safeties, read the release of the receiver and switch coverage responsibilities based on which receiver breaks inside or outside. Because of that, it seems we will be asking quite a bit of our safeties. Cover 6 on passing downs will help cover up coverage deficiencies of the safety, but if we’re going to ask them to man match, that’s a problem with Edmunds and Blankenship. That, to me, is where Evans comes into play. We know Edmunds has lined up all over the place, but it appears he’s better closer to the LOS. Meanwhile, Evans has displayed similar versatility in deployment, but in a much smaller sample due to injuries. If this is our safety group heading into 2023, I would think he would be one of the two starters with Edmunds probably the favorite over Blankenship. This is not to project confidence in Evans as a player, but Evans as an idea. He has better movement skills and fluidity than either Blankenship or Edmunds and has played well in coverage on a limited sample.

Reading this, and the posts by Honest NFL, Im kind of surprised they didnt go hard after Jimmy Ward. Maybe hes too washed, but he still seemed pretty good in SF.

Battle might be high on the list for us.

45 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Of course they didn’t but say the Eagles do select a CB at 10 or 30 because he’s hands down the BPA. I don’t think they just make him the #4 for a season. 

FTR, I highly doubt the Eagles go CB early. Just something that crosses my mind as we were discussing safety. 

I think we're trying to imagine scenarios where they don't take DL but that's the likeliest pick by far

52 minutes ago, TEW said:

Would you take Marshall Faulk at 30? Westbrook? CMC?

 

I'd take Westbrook in the 3rd...😉

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Reading this, and the posts by Honest NFL, Im kind of surprised they didnt go hard after Jimmy Ward. Maybe hes too washed, but he still seemed pretty good in SF.

Battle might be high on the list for us.

I keep reading about how safety is an important piece in the defense but none of their actions has backed that up so far.  Maybe it's just not the case

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Blankenship was a pro day 4.55, unless the interwebs is wrong.  A pro-day 4.55 is about as bad as it gets for a DB.

4.5-4.6 speed is pretty common for Ss. Don’t like to get above 4.6. His shuttle and 3 cone suggest average agility but his first step is a lot better than I expected. 

Breaking News gentleman.  We have new criteria that directly effects the EMB racist bracket.  Let the re-seeding begin.

 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

4.5-4.6 speed is pretty common for Ss. Don’t like to get above 4.6. His shuttle and 3 cone suggest average agility but his first step is a lot better than I expected. 

Brian Branch ran a 4.58 and he's considered the top safety in the class

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

His play on the field says the opposite ,look at the majority of safeties and their college stats , Evans is right there with the likes of

Branch 

Winfield jr

Adams

Simmons

Thomas

James

 

 

I remember him trying to blow people up at A&M and taking bad angles. Watched a lot of A&M to talk football with my FIL.  (He sees Jimbo as stepping back into recruiting this year and leaving the coaching to the coaches - we’ll see).  

There are supposed to be no politics in the thread and the insinuation that people claiming racism is somehow a problem on par with actual racism is very political.  How about sticking to the Eagles offseason?

2 hours ago, Outlaw said:

 

Nah man, just imagine Jordan Davis running a sluggo. Teams are going to be so confused about all the eye candy, they will just stop playing and stare. Easy TD by da freakbeast. 

19 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think we're trying to imagine scenarios where they don't take DL but that's the likeliest pick by far

100% agree. And of course I’m imagining unlikely scenarios, that’s what makes this time of year fun 

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If the Birds were to go CB early I’m wondering if Bradberry or Slay would/could move to safety. May be something for Slay to consider if he wants to prolong his career. 

Not sure slay tackles well enough to play safety.

When troy Vincent moved to safety it was a natural progression because he was a physical tackling corner.

Slay bradberry not so much.

Then again the NFL isn't as physical as it used to be so...🤷‍♂️

New Jeremiah mock

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-bucs-colts-panthers-texans-vikings-pick-

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

 

Value or players that aren't good?

 

That's incredible value for Edmunds and Penny. Evans, meh.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

If just one of them comes close to living up to their capabilites, that's a gamble worth taking for those prices.  Add in Greedy Williams and the Eagles added two former 1st and two fomer 2nd round picks for pennies to the dollar.  None of them were reaches in the draft and were picked where many thought they would with the exception of Penny, who was picked after a small run on RB in the 1st round.  I'm most intrigued by Evans and Greedy with whatever healthy games they get from Penny as a bonus.

Justin Evans pre-draft from NFL.com

Soft-spoken but carries a walloping stick. Plays the game with an elevated sense of urgency and excitement. He is a little undersized, but has plus speed, is an extremely physical hitter and can play deep or near the line of scrimmage. Athleticism and ball skills might lead a team to test him out as a slot corner. Regardless of where he plays, he has the talent to become a plus NFL starter and a potential Day 2 (Rounds 2-3) draft selection.

Greedy Williams pre-draft from NFL.com

Long, athletic cornerback who is more smooth and fluid than twitchy and sudden in his coverage. Williams has the instincts and tools to play a variety of coverages, but his length and pattern-matching talent will likely get him drafted to handle press-man duties. His ball production dropped a little from 2017 and he continued to struggle with finding the ball downfield, but he is rarely ever out of position. He needs to get stronger and more competitive in run support, but he has the talent and traits to become a CB1.

Terrell Edmunds pre-draft from NFL.com

While younger brother Trumaine may get the headlines in this year's draft, Terrell is a quality prospect in his own right. Edmunds has size and burst which are coveted traits at the position. He has man cover talent against big targets and should step right into a role on the coverage units for special teams. Edmunds is at his best near the line of scrimmage and has eventual starter potential, but inconsistencies as an open field tackler may be a cause for concern in some NFL war rooms.

Rashaad Penny pre-draft from NFL.com

Volume-carry running back who plays with an active running style that rarely sees him slow his feet. Penny has the short-area foot quickness to create yardage for himself, but he doesn't really have the burst or long speed to be a homerun hitter. His motor gives him a chance to be a productive NFL starter, but he may lack the explosiveness to be a great back.

All of them except for Edmunds have been limited by Injury, not so much limited by athletic or football ability.

I'm sure some of those injuries have doors some of that ability but if the above can get and stay healthy they can contribute.

Didn't know much about Anudike-Uzomah but looks like a powerful edge setter that has some pass rush moves.

https://youtu.be/30iGvc_k5-4

17 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

New Jeremiah mock

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-bucs-colts-panthers-texans-vikings-pick-

I’m guessing the Eagles go offense with pick 30. More than likely an OL to complete for the starting RG spot and the ability to play either tackle spot. There’s currently almost zero depth at OT.