Myles Murphy is a 270 lb all-around DE who plays the run, shoots gaps, has a high motor, and combines strength and speed at an elite level.  I think some of you folks need to go back and watch more film.

13 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Tyree Wilson

Gonzalez

Witherspoon 

If you are going to add Smith then Banks is as good an option as Smith.  I’m not a fan, but others would add Porter.

 

 

 

I'd agree with that list. I'm just assuming that Wilson isn't going to be there and I'm guessing that we don't go CB. My pick would be Witherspoon but I can't see Howie doing it after signing Bradberry and Slay.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Myles Murphy is a 270 lb all-around DE who plays the run, shoots gaps, has a high motor, and combines strength and speed at an elite level.  I think some of you folks need to go back and watch more film.

He wouldn't test.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

He wouldn't test.

He injured his hamstring.  Game film is everything, I don’t care about the T-shirt Olympics. 
 

I’d much rather have a pure athlete in Murphy who is plug and play than have to convert Nolan Smith to LB because NFL OL swallow him up.

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Here's my issue with RB...and if the usage could be curtailed to make it work, then I'd be all for it.

A high end offensive weapon should give an offense 1,100 to 1,500 yards.  That's great for a receiver or TE.

RB is tricky.  Behind a good OL, especially ours, some of those rushing yards are generic.  A nice committee should combine for 1,200.

I would want this theoretical RB to have a minimum 1,200 combined yards while carrying the football between the tackles fewer than 10 times per game.  Once you start to exceed 10 straight ahead between the tackles carries per game, then you are just eroding into the generic productivity of a cheaper committee...and you are exposing this unique weapon to significant wear and tear.  And then the coaches would need to resist the pitchforks of fans demanding that they pound the rock with the most exciting weapon on the team.

But ~8 carries per game at a high average, with extensive usage as a pass catching back and as a slot WR...even out wide if he can use that speed deep...that could be 650 rushing yards and 700 receiving yards, ideally with lots of red zone productivity.  

I suppose I could get behind that.  I just don't want to build ANY aspect of the offense around a weapon that will be at the bottom of a pile multiple times per game.

Westbrook, CMC, Faulk...they all had the ability to be used as I mentioned, but they all slotted in still as heavier use typical RBs...and all but Faulk have been plagued with major availability issues for their entire career.

The first thing I would say is that Gibbs has 1K rushing and 1K receiving potential. Now, he’d probably take 200 rushes (12 attempts per game) and 100 catches (6 per game) to get there, which is a very high volume of plays and unlikely in this offense, but that’s the type of production you might be able to get out of him. Maybe you can get 1K receiving yards on fewer catches depending on how often he’s deployed in the slot.

In a season where our receivers sustain a lot of injuries, he could carry the offense until they recover. I just wouldn’t worry about usage, if you take a RB in the first round you extract what you can from the cheap rookie contract and plan to move on when it’s done. Ruthless, yes, but that’s what you do.

And remember, it’s not just about the production he gives you, it’s about how he is going to affect the offense as a whole. We have basically no screen game right now to the RB. Gibbs with our offensive line’s mobility would instantly make us one of the best RB screen teams in the NFL. That in turn takes away blitzing opportunities, which means our QB gets hit less and has more time to throw.

Gibbs will probably force most teams into subbing an extra DB onto the field because no LB is going to be able to cover him. With 11 personnel, that means we’re facing dime coverage a plurality of the game. Against this OL, with Hurts and Gibbs as the ball carrier, it makes our early down run game even more effective and should help us sustain drives by keeping us on schedule and ultimately result in the offense as a whole scoring more points.

In the slot, Gibbs gives you deep threat speed with elite RAC skills. Those WR screens suddenly have a lot more juice. Drag routes can now go for 40+ yards. Quick slants can go to the house. In 11 personnel, we now have 2 guys who can take the top off a defense which should open up short and medium routes for Brown, Smith and Goedert.

Assuming he is what I think he is as a runner/receiver, I think he takes the entire offense to another level. There’s not likely to be another player available in the draft who can do that. So when you think about it that way, I’m not sure how you pass on him at 30. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not sure DJ Turner has gotten enough pub in this draft. Hes one of the better CBs. Played for Michigan. Excellent in man coverage, and ran a 4.26. Elite athlete with football skills.

Yep, guys like him make me OK going DL and skill position in the 1st with a DB like him later on.

49 minutes ago, bitbased said:

I'd agree with that list. I'm just assuming that Wilson isn't going to be there and I'm guessing that we don't go CB. My pick would be Witherspoon but I can't see Howie doing it after signing Bradberry and Slay.

Agreed.  Seems like a trade down scenario is the most likely. 

58 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Myles Murphy is a 270 lb all-around DE who plays the run, shoots gaps, has a high motor, and combines strength and speed at an elite level.  I think some of you folks need to go back and watch more film.

High motor, huh....great

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Myles Murphy is a 270 lb all-around DE who plays the run, shoots gaps, has a high motor, and combines strength and speed at an elite level.  I think some of you folks need to go back and watch more film.

Agree I just revisited him yesterday and I don't know what's not to like. 

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

That makes sense if he is an Edge as an Eagle, but the idea of using him as the MIKE is a different approach that would get him immediately involved.

You’re going to use the 10th overall pick to experiment on moving an edge rusher to middle linebacker…?

The competition committee right now doesn't have the support to make roughing the passer reviewable. I was hoping they'd at least put in a rule where in the 4th quarter they'd review it or review personal foul calls or allow them to be challenged. They're too game changing.

And for some reason they still haven't gotten rid of fumbling out of the end zone being a touchback.

They're so damn slow to implement rules. But they'll jump at the chance to add taunting rules that nobody wants. C.

8 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

You’re going to use the 10th overall pick to experiment on moving an edge rusher to middle linebacker…?

Sounds like how the Cardinals messed up Reddick. 

20 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Agree I just revisited him yesterday and I don't know what's not to like. 

When I watch the film on Murphy I see a guy that relies on his power to get to the QB.  He does have explosion but he is more of a straight line rusher who lacks bend.  Those guys don't typically produce high sack totals in the NFL.  OT's in the NFL can move their feet and they aren't going to get overpowered.  He also regressed a bit in '22.

I get the feeling that he will be a decent NFL starter but I don't think he will ever be a superstar.  

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Myles Murphy is a 270 lb all-around DE who plays the run, shoots gaps, has a high motor, and combines strength and speed at an elite level.  I think some of you folks need to go back and watch more film.

I've seen some mocks with him going really low. Makes me wonder if there are some whispers about of some off-field and/or injury concerns.

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The competition committee right now doesn't have the support to make roughing the passer reviewable. I was hoping they'd at least put in a rule where in the 4th quarter they'd review it or review personal foul calls or allow them to be challenged. They're too game changing.

And for some reason they still haven't gotten rid of fumbling out of the end zone being a touchback.

They're so damn slow to implement rules. But they'll jump at the chance to add taunting rules that nobody wants. C.

The CFL has roughing the passer reviewable — you don’t want it.  
 

The play that needs to be reviewable is the DPI 40-50 yards downfield.  The reason reviewing DPI didn’t work a few years ago was they added "egregious” to the criteria.  Almost by default they were going to stay with the ruling on the field.  It was doomed to fail before it began.  
 

IMO replay reviews should be evaluated as first viewing.  The burden of "indisputable evidence” leads to more replay screw-ups.

16 hours ago, TEW said:

the 40 is absolutely useful. Again, taken in combination with game film, it is the absolute best way to judge the athleticism of a player. Good tape + good 40 = good chance of a good player.

 

"Good tape” is where most teams understand if their player is good. 40 time has nothing to do with any real evaluation of a football player. That’s a very basic line of thinking that is easily dismissed by all of the fast players who suck, and the slow players who are great. 

Some athleticism is good sure, but having an average 40 time is more than enough for most. 

4 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I've seen some mocks with him going really low. Makes me wonder if there are some whispers about of some off-field and/or injury concerns.

I read a draft profile that said he "played with less urgency his senior year”, because his sack totals were down.  All his other defensive stats were up - tackles, TFL, forced turnovers.  
 

He’s not a generational talent, but a team needs some full-size DE players to go with the 235-240 speed balls or you’ll get pushed around at the LOS.  I like that he has a knack for chasing down RBs and other plus-effort plays.

He reminds me of Josh Sweat somewhat.

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sounds like how the Cardinals messed up Reddick. 

And the Clemson kid they have now. simmons?

33 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

You’re going to use the 10th overall pick to experiment on moving an edge rusher to middle linebacker…?

Not my suggestion.  Ask the person who made the suggestion.

Are any of the top three corners able to play inside as well as out? Might not be a terrible thing to draft someone to play in the slot now, then take over for Slay/in a couple of years. This would enable them to move Maddox to FS.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Myles Murphy is a 270 lb all-around DE who plays the run, shoots gaps, has a high motor, and combines strength and speed at an elite level.  I think some of you folks need to go back and watch more film.

I agree if we can’t get Nolan Smith who I think goes to the Falcons, I am fine with Murphy.

I wish there was a team dumb enough to take the #13/Kiko/Maxwell for #8 type trade from back in the day. Think there's a slight dropoff after Gonzalez and I don't think he'll be there at 10.

2 hours ago, eglz1 said:

Re Yellowstone I was there during or just after Labor Day. It was perfect; warm enough during the day but schools were starting or soon would so no crowds. Perfect.

Sounds like the perfect time.👍

The kansas st corner can play. Brents

athletic and length

PFF now making you pay to mock. Lame.