Just now, Alphagrand said:

I would actually be surprised if Gibbs isn't converted to a slot WR in the NFL.  

How's his route running?

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Witherspoon is the choice there, but I would be more inclined to trade down 5-10  picks.

Not sure Howie has an appetite for trading #10 for a future first this time around.  I could see him doing a small trade down to 12-13 ... not much farther.

1 hour ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Randall! Happy birthday to the original.  He's also the reason I started watching football.  He was electric.

"The Ultimate Weapon"

2 hours ago, Moderator6 said:

BS.  You guys have complained about the mods and decisions, continued personal drama in here for months.  Now all of a sudden you get called out and you don't want to talk publicly anymore.  Nope.  We'll have a discussion publicly.  Enough of people spreading ridiculous lies and rumors from supposed pm's.  I am thinking I will create a topic in RnR so the blog can talk football.

I am moderating.  I have gone back and forth with people via pm many times.  I have posted here publicly waaaaaaaay more than other mods to address concerns, reasoning for decisions, etc and it hasn't done any good.  People still repeat ridiculous lies and run with whatever narrative they want to make themselves look like victims and now they're doing it on YouTube and other places.  Someone who had VA's personal email address gave it out to others without his permission and shared his personal YouTube channel to harass him.  These are the type of people we're dealing with.  Grown men in their 40s doing this kind of stuff it's sad.

So no, I'm not dealing with all this drama in private messages back and forth when so many have no problem talking publicly in here endlessly for months when they want to rant about the mods... but now all of a sudden want to stick to football in here and go to pm when I call them out. 

I'm not saying I will not discuss things via pm on a case by case basis.  I have been doing that already and will continue.  In this situation a lot of people want to talk about moderation and keep posting about it in the public forums and not pm's.  So I'm going to address everyone publicly since everyone wants "transparency."

But I'll start a topic in RnR and we'll address it there.  

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.These are the type of people we're dealing with.  Grown men in their 40s doing this kind of stuff it's sad. 

Embarrassing and it figures ……

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25 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I get that's possible but I just don't see a team taking on Lamar with that kind of uncertainity in a long-term deal.  I also don't think the Ravens are interested in trading him for nothing.  

I'm not sure what your first sentence means. The team trading for him would work all that out before hand and would only trade if they had a deal in place. Unless you mean injury concerns going forward. 

And it's not necessarily for nothing. Just lower than two firsts. Or equal value just structured differently via picks or players. It's not exactly common every year but there are plenty of examples. Ngakoue was tagged but traded for a 2nd and 5th. Clowney was tagged and traded for a 3rd, Jacob Martin and Barkevious Mingo. Clark was tagged and traded with a 3rd for a 1st, 3rd and future 2nd. etc. 

Anyway, the original point is teams can just trade a 2024 and 2025 first now for him. They don't have to wait until after the draft. 

 

7 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

How's his route running?

I don't think Alabama lined him up in the slot at all, but he has the short-area quickness to be a big problem for defenses to match up with.  I might be more inclined to teach Gibbs and use his explosiveness than draft JSN and have a chain mover who is agile, but isn't explosive at all.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm not sure what your first sentence means. The team trading for him would work all that out before hand and would only trade if they had a deal in place. Unless you mean injury concerns going forward. 

And it's not necessarily for nothing. Just lower than two firsts. Or equal value just structured differently via picks or players. It's not exactly common every year but there are plenty of examples. Ngakoue was tagged but traded for a 2nd and 5th. Clowney was tagged and traded for a 3rd, Jacob Martin and Barkevious Mingo. Clark was tagged and traded with a 3rd for a 1st, 3rd and future 2nd. etc. 

 

The additional uncertainty is that level of fully guaranteed money. What if Deshaun Watson goes out next year after a full offseason in the system and is absolutely terrible? The Browns have just thrown away the next half decade of their franchise with absolutely no way of getting out of it.

It doesn’t matter if your QB is Pat Mahomes or Joe Burrow or Tom Brady, you always ALWAYS have to have the ability to Carson Wentz any contract you give; the bigger the deal the more you need that out. Not just for the injury protection, but Lamar has repeatedly shown poor decision making off the field that stems from not having that professional advisement support (ie an agent)

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I would actually be surprised if Gibbs isn't converted to a slot WR in the NFL.  

Why

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

The additional uncertainty is that level of fully guaranteed money. What if Deshaun Watson goes out next year after a full offseason in the system and is absolutely terrible? The Browns have just thrown away the next half decade of their franchise with absolutely no way of getting out of it.

It doesn’t matter if your QB is Pat Mahomes or Joe Burrow or Tom Brady, you always ALWAYS have to have the ability to Carson Wentz any contract you give; the bigger the deal the more you need that out. Not just for the injury protection, but Lamar has repeatedly shown poor decision making off the field that stems from not having that professional advisement support (ie an agent)

Right but that's a different issue entirely. If a team is willing to trade something of value, they answered all those questions internally already. Lamar would also be agreeing to what they proposed. It's a hurdle to an actual trade, but it doesn't affect a hypothetical one. 

Baring injury, we are already looking at minimal impact from the rookie class.

1. That’s the rule to which there have been very few exceptions in the last 20 years.

2. This is still a talented team with limited openings.

3. Howie draft picks are almost never immediate success stories.

4. Where would any first round rookie step in and play meaningful snaps?  RB?  Safety?  LB? Good luck expecting the first pick to be one of those positions.  DT?  DE?  OL?  CB?  Sure, but they aren’t going to play.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Why

Makes zero sense to use a 1st rounder on guy you want to play the slot. Gibbs is more valuable out of the backfield vs a LB than vs a slot CB

Just now, eagle45 said:

Baring injury, we are already looking at minimal impact from the rookie class.

1. That’s the rule to which there have been very few exceptions in the last 20 years.

2. This is still a talented team with limited openings.

3. Howie draft picks are almost never immediate success stories.

4. Where would any first round rookie step in and play meaningful snaps?  RB?  Safety?  LB? Good luck expecting the first pick to be one of those positions.  DT?  DE?  OL?  CB?  Sure, but they aren’t going to play.

I haven't thought about this, but you make a good point.

 

On offense: If we pick a RB high, that would be the most likely path to a rookie having impact.  Maybe guard, but less likely

On Defense: Dline and CB next to no chance a rookie steps in as a starter, barring injury.  LB and Safety maybe, but I see neither of those being selected high enough to have either position tabbed as a starter post draft.  

Lol

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol

That does look like a perfectly coordinated troll job

They do realize Garret Wilson is on the team, right?

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That does look like a perfectly coordinated troll job

Troll job or not, you can't eject a guy for that. There is certainly a lot of competition among the four major sports but MLB umpires are probably the worst officials in sports. They constantly make things personal and officiate the game from that mindset.

50 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Arguably we overpaid for AJ.  However, we were much more desperate at WR than we are at DT currently … and the impact of a DT on the quality of Hurts’ play is essentially zero, while the impact of AJ’s play on the quality of Hurts’ play was mammoth.

Sometimes this is how a trade works. You have the baseline of a contract figured out and then you make the move. We signed AJ long term 5 minutes after the trade was announced. I would think this would be a similar situation. 

26 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Baring injury, we are already looking at minimal impact from the rookie class.

1. That’s the rule to which there have been very few exceptions in the last 20 years.

2. This is still a talented team with limited openings.

3. Howie draft picks are almost never immediate success stories.

4. Where would any first round rookie step in and play meaningful snaps?  RB?  Safety?  LB? Good luck expecting the first pick to be one of those positions.  DT?  DE?  OL?  CB?  Sure, but they aren’t going to play.

I don't like going into the season where you don't expect one new player to have a meaningful impact. I know the scenario we faced but seems like a recipe for disappointment. I'm still not convinced Howie doesn't see that way as well. Rare for him to do little

3 hours ago, paco said:

I'm surprised by this. I would have bet the farm they would give Trey every chance to lose the job this season since they have to decide on the 5th year option next offseason.

Supposedly, Lance is Shanny's boy and Purdy is Lynch's - Lynch wanted to draft Jones and not Lance.  Hence Lynch coming out with the whole Purdy is the leader in the club house so far.  Must be some weird politics going on in San Fran for the GM to even go there.

I cant finght the temptation to post this vid. I watched it last week. I mentioned him, but hes not in this years draft.

I just dont remember seeing a safety hit like this since Dawkins. 

 

As for Lamar.  I can't see anyone but someone truly desperate giving him a fully guaranteed contract; they'd be mad to do that.  His lack of representation doesn't help him either. Tunsil got his deal done quietly with the Texans and has Okung.  The NFLPA also has legal representation he can use, so he's just being a stubborn idiot at this point.

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That does look like a perfectly coordinated troll job

I honestly think realmuto thought he had the ball. But it’s still hilarious that got him tossed 

8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Troll job or not, you can't eject a guy for that. There is certainly a lot of competition among the four major sports but MLB umpires are probably the worst officials in sports. They constantly make things personal and officiate the game from that mindset.

The ncaa tournament has had bad officiating nearly every game i watched. Like most sports it’s hit or miss but the tournament has had way more bad officiated games