1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Dillard is a gifted athlete.  

I think they missed that he was older and would struggle to anchor. There were also some personality issues that should have been factored into drafting him.  He wasn't seen as a bad pick from an athletic standpoint.  But for Mailata, he would likely be doing OK as the Eagles' LT.  

Derek Barnett was definitely a miss and the Eagles were too set and drafting an edge rusher.  Douglas definitely over valued college production.  

Surely Barnett wasn’t that bad compared to the rest of the draft class. He’s absolutely woeful based on those scores 

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

For those who geek out over PFF:

 

Does PFF now grade feistiness???

If so did Witherspoon score a 99 on the feisty scale.?

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol

Some umps can't help but make themselves the main attraction - what a toolbag

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

He likely wouldn't play much his rookie year. Howie has already said he doesn't care if the picks play right away and drafting for immediate need has killed them in the past, they draft for the future in mind.

I'm not sure if drafting for need was so much of a problem as we just failed at talent evaluation. A lot of the time there were much better players that went shortly after our picks at the same position.

Soccer refs are the most officious by far.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Baring injury, we are already looking at minimal impact from the rookie class.

1. That’s the rule to which there have been very few exceptions in the last 20 years.

2. This is still a talented team with limited openings.

3. Howie draft picks are almost never immediate success stories.

4. Where would any first round rookie step in and play meaningful snaps?  RB?  Safety?  LB? Good luck expecting the first pick to be one of those positions.  DT?  DE?  OL?  CB?  Sure, but they aren’t going to play.

I think a DT would come in and play..a lot.

Hargrave played 712 snaps, 64%.  Cox played 713 snaps, 65%.  Milton Williams played 395 snaps, 36%. Jordan Davis played snaps 224, 26%.  Linval Joseph played 189 snaps, 38%.  Ndamukong Suh played 176 snaps, 35%.

Hargrave, Joseph and Suh played a combined 1,077 snaps last year.  That's A LOT. No DT played more than 65% of the snaps last year.

-Jordan Davis's high last year was 42%, 2 games before he got hurt.  I think he's going to hover around that snap count unfortunately.  Let's say he plays 50% in year 2 and doubles his snaps to 450 which is then adjusted up to 550 for the games he missed..  They are still left wtih 780 or so snaps to fill.

-Milton Williams is going to be asked to play a lot more to help fill the hole Hargrave left. He isn't going to play more than Hargrave did last year.  I think he's more in the 60% range so let's put him at 650 snaps.  Now we're at 525 snaps needed to fill.

-Fletcher Cox had one foot out the door and is one year older.  I don't see him playing 65% of the snaps again.  Let's say he plays 60% of the snaps next year which would put him roughly around 650. 

After all of that shuffling I did, the Eagles have rougly 600 snaps at DT they need to fill.  I know drafting for need isn't the best thing but a guy like Kancey or Van Ness would come in and play A LOT.  I think Van Ness playing inside is very intriguing.  I think we can see multiple DT taken over the course of the draft. 

7 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

As for Lamar.  I can't see anyone but someone truly desperate giving him a fully guaranteed contract; they'd be mad to do that.  His lack of representation doesn't help him either. Tunsil got his deal done quietly with the Texans and has Okung.  The NFLPA also has legal representation he can use, so he's just being a stubborn idiot at this point.

Lamar is letting perfect get in the way of good. 

$133 million guaranteed and the roughly $50 million/year in new money is a pretty great offer for a QB whose game is more injury-prone than most.  He's acting like that MVP-caliber season he had is the baseline for what he can do.  Meanwhile there's guys like Wentz who flash that one year, and then never get back to that level again.

That Watson contract from the Browns was dumb.  QBs are going to push for those fully guaranteed deals now and see how little teams are going to be willing to offer them. 

 

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They do realize Garret Wilson is on the team, right?

Wilson wasn't on Aaron Rodgers' list, so ..... No.

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

Soccer refs are the most officious by far.

This chap is one oft those.

https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/sport/football/how-trevor-kettle-makes-fans-6222285

Uniformly hated amongst all clubs and fans. Thankfully he retired

5 minutes ago, bitbased said:

I'm not sure if drafting for need was so much of a problem as we just failed at talent evaluation. A lot of the time there were much better players that went shortly after our picks at the same position.

I don’t think need necessarily is restricted to just positional need, but could also mean traits needs. For example they took Reagor because they thought they needed speed and passed on a superior WR. But to your point I think it’s both. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think a DT would come in and play..a lot.

Hargrave played 712 snaps, 64%.  Cox played 713 snaps, 65%.  Milton Williams played 395 snaps, 36%. Jordan Davis played snaps 224, 26%.  Linval Joseph played 189 snaps, 38%.  Ndamukong Suh played 176 snaps, 35%.

Hargrave, Joseph and Suh played a combined 1,077 snaps last year.  That's A LOT. No DT played more than 65% of the snaps last year.

-Jordan Davis's high last year was 42%, 2 games before he got hurt.  I think he's going to hover around that snap count unfortunately.  Let's say he plays 50% in year 2 and doubles his snaps to 450 which is then adjusted up to 550 for the games he missed..  They are still left wtih 780 or so snaps to fill.

-Milton Williams is going to be asked to play a lot more to help fill the hole Hargrave left. He isn't going to play more than Hargrave did last year.  I think he's more in the 60% range so let's put him at 650 snaps.  Now we're at 525 snaps needed to fill.

-Fletcher Cox had one foot out the door and is one year older.  I don't see him playing 65% of the snaps again.  Let's say he plays 60% of the snaps next year which would put him roughly around 650. 

After all of that shuffling I did, the Eagles have rougly 600 snaps at DT they need to fill.  I know drafting for need isn't the best thing but a guy like Kancey or Van Ness would come in and play A LOT.  I think Van Ness playing inside is very intriguing.  I think we can see multiple DT taken over the course of the draft. 

Tuipulotu will play a lot of snaps if he is healthy. 

I count 29 heads present, and I can name 25 of them, as well as the 3 missing:

Frank Reich - Panthers

Nick Sirianni - Eagles 

Maybe Mike Vrabel - Titans. Guy bottom row second from left vaguely looks like him, but Mike is an enormous human being. I doubt that’s him.

 

Ones I didn’t get were top row way left, top row between Shane and Saleh, Bottom row between Carroll and Mike Mcdaniel, and then the Vrabel imposter

One is Browns who I have no idea the name of, one is Matt Eberflus for Bears who I don’t know what he looks like, one is Brandon Staley Chargers who I don’t know what he looks like (young guy, maybe top far left?) and one is Allen for Saints who I don’t know what he looks like

 

did pretty good otherwise

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm not sure what your first sentence means. The team trading for him would work all that out before hand and would only trade if they had a deal in place. Unless you mean injury concerns going forward. 

And it's not necessarily for nothing. Just lower than two firsts. Or equal value just structured differently via picks or players. It's not exactly common every year but there are plenty of examples. Ngakoue was tagged but traded for a 2nd and 5th. Clowney was tagged and traded for a 3rd, Jacob Martin and Barkevious Mingo. Clark was tagged and traded with a 3rd for a 1st, 3rd and future 2nd. etc. 

 

What I meant was that I just don't see how a team would be willing to offer a trade given the risk.  An offer sheet is an agreement by a player to accept a contract offer, if you have a deal worked out you have a signed offer sheet.  If there's a signed offer sheet, the team potentially loses 2 first round picks. They could trade for him after he signs the non-exclusive tag offer but Lamar is under no obligation, at that point, to negotiate a deal.  I think the difference is the value of the position to the team, the cost of the tag and the volatility of dealing directly with Lamar in negotiations. So I think the idea that a team would trade for him without just having him sign an offer, doesn't make sense.  

DE is a different position.  Taking on a player for one year at DE in their prime for what they gave up is relatively low risk.  Ngakoue and Clowney had announced they were not playing under the tag.  The teams did not have much leverage and were not opposed to moving on from them.  Ngakoue signed a one year deal for less than the tag to facilitate the deal.  Clowney had nixed a deal to go to Miami for Tunsil. He signed the tag to get out of Texas.  It wasn't about getting necessarily a long-term deal in the way it appears to be for Lamar. The players played a large role in the outcome and part of it was a willingness to sign something to move on from the team.   Clark is the only one of those 3 that signed a new deal with the Chiefs.  The way the trade was worked out it makes me think there essentially was a signed offer sheet. These were low risk moves for the teams making the trades and low risk for the team moving on from the players.  

I don't think QB is a similar position given the long-term cost of a deal. If there was a team that thought they were a QB away maybe that type of trade would happen but I don't see it.  The only team that is potentially a contender with Lamar is the Ravens.  Lamar is the face of the franchise and will be the face of whatever team he gets traded to from the start.  A team isn't going to want him for a one year rental the way they might consider taking a DE.  I also don't sense that Lamar wants anything other than a lot of money in a new deal.  

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Tuipulotu will play a lot of snaps if he is healthy. 

Oh goodie…

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I don’t think need necessarily is restricted to just positional need, but could also mean traits needs. For example they took Reagor because they thought they needed speed and passed on a superior WR. But to your point I think it’s both. 

That's fair. They've definitely attached to certain player types which has bit them in the ass. Very thankful that Graham worked out in the long run since that was a criticism when we drafted him as well.

4 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I count 29 heads present, and I can name 25 of them, as well as the 3 missing:

Frank Reich - Panthers

Nick Sirianni - Eagles 

Maybe Mike Vrabel - Titans. Guy bottom row second from left vaguely looks like him, but Mike is an enormous human being. I doubt that’s him.

 

Ones I didn’t get were top row way left, top row between Shane and Saleh, Bottom row between Carroll and Mike Mcdaniel, and then the Vrabel imposter

One is Browns who I have no idea the name of, one is Matt Eberflus for Bears who I don’t know what he looks like, one is Brandon Staley Chargers who I don’t know what he looks like (young guy, maybe top far left?) and one is Allen for Saints who I don’t know what he looks like

 

did pretty good otherwise

I can't name a bunch of them lol

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Tuipulotu will play a lot of snaps if he is healthy. 

OK, in the games he played last year, he averaged 37% of the snaps.  That would have come out to nearly 400 snaps last year had he played the entire year, putting him at DT3 in regards to playing time.  Tuipulotu is not that guy.  He's a DT4 at best, better suited for DT5.  He's not that good of a player to play that much.  

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I can't name a bunch of them lol

Benefit we have is a ton of them are eagles

Nick Sirianni

Sean Payton

Todd Bowles

Frank Reich

Doug Pederson

Andy Reid

Sean Mcdermott

John Harbaugh

Ron Rivera

Shane Steichen

Johnathan Gannon

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

The parallels are there, but Barnett doesn't have an explosive bone in his body.  Graham was never the best athlete, but he was definitive a springier, more explosive athlete than Barnett.  He was regarded as one of the top guys off the snap in his draft.  Despite being short, he was also built like a cinderblock.  Barnett is also a slender, unexplosive 6'2"/6'3".  Barnett is all snap timing, hustle, and technique...I just can't see him getting the same second wind as Graham.  

Time will tell.  Since right now my expectations of him are close to zero, anything positive that he delivers is gravy.

15 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I count 29 heads present, and I can name 25 of them, as well as the 3 missing:

Frank Reich - Panthers

Nick Sirianni - Eagles 

Maybe Mike Vrabel - Titans. Guy bottom row second from left vaguely looks like him, but Mike is an enormous human being. I doubt that’s him.

 

Ones I didn’t get were top row way left, top row between Shane and Saleh, Bottom row between Carroll and Mike Mcdaniel, and then the Vrabel imposter

One is Browns who I have no idea the name of, one is Matt Eberflus for Bears who I don’t know what he looks like, one is Brandon Staley Chargers who I don’t know what he looks like (young guy, maybe top far left?) and one is Allen for Saints who I don’t know what he looks like

 

did pretty good otherwise

Daboll looks like he forgot his sunscreen, Reid and Belichick look like they'd rather be on a boat somewhere, and thank goodness they got the photo in before McCarthy fell over asleep.

Nick and Frank are definitely off doing their own thing; can't imagine where Vrabel is.

12 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Lamar is letting perfect get in the way of good. 

$133 million guaranteed and the roughly $50 million/year in new money is a pretty great offer for a QB whose game is more injury-prone than most.  He's acting like that MVP-caliber season he had is the baseline for what he can do.  Meanwhile there's guys like Wentz who flash that one year, and then never get back to that level again.

That Watson contract from the Browns was dumb.  QBs are going to push for those fully guaranteed deals now and see how little teams are going to be willing to offer them.

Agree.  Lamar is being offered great money by the Ravens; but as you say, he's become obsessed with that Watson contract and is in need of someone to give his head a wobble and say, it's the 1 in 1 million contract rather than the norm.  If he wants a guaranteed contact, he needs to take less or risk it with what is being offered.

I wouldn't offer any player guaranteed money in a sport so physical

2 hours ago, Doc S. said:

Once again, why protect the identity of these protagonist types? Your decorum is to be applauded but enough is enough.

Put their names out there, if you're sure, expose them for their behavior, give us a chance to have a go at them.

Transparency is a great equalizer...

There was only one person that I knew of that knew my personal channel, I had thought he was trustworthy but perhaps, it seems, not. In his demand to delete his account and content, he even threw out a threat to go to Invision if we didn't, as if they care one way or the other about some random person on some random message board that they have nothing to do with lol. 

After posting here yesterday about this, he even emailed me complaining about 'blaming him', (saying that 'his people' were informing him of what's being said). Of course, I didn't name him and I even said that I didn't know who it was and that it may not be him at all, only that there was just ONE person (that I was aware of) that had the information. So either he gave the information out, which he said he wouldn't, or he did it himself. Either way, it doesn't matter. It's not like it was a huge "security secret" and now he's 'screwed me over'. I just wanted to avoid exactly what's going on now, which is whenever I post a video, the trolls want to TRY to harass me.

I guess they have nobody else that they can childishly lash out against (until they get banned from their new board, which I hear isn't very far fetched already lol), so why not lash out at me? I'm an easy target, right? Of course, they only help my channel by doing so lol. 

But to explain a little about my personal channel:
 

Spoiler

Back during the beginning stages of the pandemic when nobody could leave their homes (and with my mother's health situation being what it is, that's still the case for me to a large extent), I began making what's called 'reaction videos'. That's where you watch something that you've never seen before (a movie or TV show) and record yourself watching it. Later, add the show or movie to the video so that others can see what you're seeing and reacting to, then edit it down to a shortened version for YouTube (or the entire video for Patreon) and upload it for others to watch. I'm may not be the best at it, with the most subscribers/views, and I can probably be a bit boring for some but I do ok and earn enough to help with the personal bills/expenses.  

There's people doing it on YouTube and Patreon making AN ISHTON of money at it, and by 'AN ISHTON', I'm talking five and six figures per year. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them lol, but I make enough to supplement my income and help with personal bills/food/gas/whatever. Which, since I am a fulltime, around the clock caregiver, is very helpful (and that's why I think doing something with the board's YouTube channel would really help the board if we can get it monetized). 

I earn revenue from various streams, including my channel. So it's basically like a 'job' and helps supplement my income so that personal bills and such are taken care of.  So when these idiots try to attack me there, they're also indirectly attacking my mother and my ability to pay the bills that help her. 

Anyone that wants to see my channel can PM me and I'll provide a link. Like I said, it's not a 'huge secret' kind of thing. But having been involved with message boards for more than 20 years, you learn to try your best to keep it separated from real life, for just this very reason. 

8 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I count 29 heads present, and I can name 25 of them, as well as the 3 missing:

Frank Reich - Panthers

Nick Sirianni - Eagles 

Maybe Mike Vrabel - Titans. Guy bottom row second from left vaguely looks like him, but Mike is an enormous human being. I doubt that’s him.

 

Ones I didn’t get were top row way left, top row between Shane and Saleh, Bottom row between Carroll and Mike Mcdaniel, and then the Vrabel imposter

One is Browns who I have no idea the name of, one is Matt Eberflus for Bears who I don’t know what he looks like, one is Brandon Staley Chargers who I don’t know what he looks like (young guy, maybe too far left?) and one is Allen for Saints who I don’t know what he looks like

 

did pretty good otherwise

I see Rich Eisen and Reece Davis are the ones sitting on the very left moving in to the right.  Bill Belichick is wearing a long sleeve button down with shorts...bad move.

I think we need some diversity within the diversity.  Where are the minority coaches with hair?  

Is that ESP standing next to DP?  Probably too tall to be him.

Pete Carroll looks like the old guy trying to still be relevant with the cool kids.  Probably talks about weed too much.

Mike McDaniel was late because he was vaping and the just shoved him in next to Gannon and Ted Cruz.

Someone stole Mike McCarty's donut and he's pouting.

Lastly, Sean Payton packed on some pounds and makes Bernie Lomax's nephew look tiny.

1 minute ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

There was only one person that I knew of that knew my personal channel, I had thought he was trustworthy but perhaps, it seems, not. In his demand to delete his account and content, he even threw out a threat to go to Invision if we didn't, as if they care one way or the other about some random person on some random message board that they have nothing to do with lol. 

After posting here yesterday about this, he even emailed me complaining about 'blaming him', (saying that 'his people' were informing him of what's being said). Of course, I didn't name him and I even said that I didn't know who it was and that it may not be him at all, only that there was just ONE person (that I was aware of) that had the information. So either he gave the information out, which he said he wouldn't, or he did it himself. Either way, it doesn't matter. It's not like it was a huge "security secret" and now he's 'screwed me over'. I just wanted to avoid exactly what's going on now, which is whenever I post a video, the trolls want to TRY to harass me.

I guess they have nobody else that they can childishly lash out against (until they get banned from their new board, which I hear isn't very far fetched already lol), so why not lash out at me? I'm an easy target, right? Of course, they only help my channel by doing so lol. 

But to explain a little about my personal channel:
 

  Hide contents

Back during the beginning stages of the pandemic when nobody could leave their homes (and with my mother's health situation being what it is, that's still the case for me to a large extent), I began making what's called 'reaction videos'. That's where you watch something that you've never seen before (a movie or TV show) and record yourself watching it. Later, add the show or movie to the video so that others can see what you're seeing and reacting to, then edit it down to a shortened version for YouTube (or the entire video for Patreon) and upload it for others to watch. I'm may not be the best at it, with the most subscribers/views, and I can probably be a bit boring for some but I do ok and earn enough to help with the personal bills/expenses.  

There's people doing it on YouTube and Patreon making AN ISHTON of money at it, and by 'AN ISHTON', I'm talking five and six figures per year. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them lol, but I make enough to supplement my income and help with personal bills/food/gas/whatever. Which, since I am a fulltime, around the clock caregiver, is very helpful (and that's why I think doing something with the board's YouTube channel would really help the board if we can get it monetized). 

I earn revenue from various streams, including my channel. So it's basically like a 'job' and helps supplement my income so that personal bills and such are taken care of.  So when these idiots try to attack me there, they're also indirectly attacking my mother and my ability to pay the bills that help her. 

Anyone that wants to see my channel can PM me and I'll provide a link. Like I said, it's not a 'huge secret' kind of thing. But having been involved with message boards for more than 20 years, you learn to try your best to keep it separated from real life, for just this very reason. 

Wow.  What an enormous POS.  F him  

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

OK, in the games he played last year, he averaged 37% of the snaps.  That would have come out to nearly 400 snaps last year had he played the entire year, putting him at DT3 in regards to playing time.  Tuipulotu is not that guy.  He's a DT4 at best, better suited for DT5.  He's not that good of a player to play that much.  

Agreed. They need to upgrade the 3rd or at least 4th DT spot. It's something I don't think people are talking about enough and it's also why those complaining about bringing back Cox are wrong in my opinion. This defense has, is, and will be in the foreseeable future about the DL. Adding another DT and to a lesser extent, DE is important and something I think we will see early in the draft.