1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I understand all that, but if you want a player that badly, you don't let a few million be the difference.

Ask yourself this: if Kelce and the Eagles were at an impasse over a contract and the Eagles went on to start signing other guys, do you think when Kelce's camp came back to the Eagles later on and said "Ok, we misjudged the market" they'd say "Sorry, we've moved on?" There is no chance in hell. Because they know how invaluable Kelce is.

Howie is known for doing everything he can to keep guys he thinks are vital. They may like CJGJ, but I don't think they considered him a key piece. There's a difference.

When you've got a franchise QB to pay, sure you do. 

Re: Kelce...he's a far more important position, the best of his generation, the lynch pin of the entire offensive line.  Safety is just not one of those positions, and CJ is just not that caliber of player.  He's not that vital to our defense like Kelce or the center position is.  He was excellent when he was here, but if he wanted a mega-deal at/near the top of the market?  Peace.

None of that has anything to do with how badly Howie wants/doesn't want someone.  It's the nature of the game. 

CJGJAG

On the drive home from work I heard a Texans caller who said "I don’t want to draft QB; we have a terrible run defense so I want them to draft Will Anderson”

I was a bit surprised neither host pointed out that Anderson would be chasing the passer and probably ignoring the RB on the way.  They both just told him the Texans are going QB at #2 all day long.

Strangely, though, the caller in the end was dead-on.  They would be so much further ahead as a franchise drafting a premium pass rusher than they will be with a 190 lb QB trying to survive behind an OL that isn’t good.

 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

On the drive home from work I heard a Texans caller who said "I don’t want to draft QB; we have a terrible run defense so I want them to draft Will Anderson”

I was a bit surprised neither host pointed out that Anderson would be chasing the passer and probably ignoring the RB on the way.  They both just told him the Texans are going QB at #2 all day long.

Strangely, though, the caller in the end was dead-on.  They would be so much further ahead as a franchise drafting a premium pass rusher than they will be with a 190 lb QB trying to survive behind an OL that isn’t good.

 

They should take Anderson this year and tank for Caleb next year

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

On the drive home from work I heard a Texans caller who said "I don’t want to draft QB; we have a terrible run defense so I want them to draft Will Anderson”

I was a bit surprised neither host pointed out that Anderson would be chasing the passer and probably ignoring the RB on the way.  They both just told him the Texans are going QB at #2 all day long.

Strangely, though, the caller in the end was dead-on.  They would be so much further ahead as a franchise drafting a premium pass rusher than they will be with a 190 lb QB trying to survive behind an OL that isn’t good.

 

There were rumblings from reporters around the combine that Houston might not take a QB at 2. Could easily be a smokescreen, but it could also make sense given they own Browns pick next year also & might prefer taking their chances to land Caleb Williams instead with a more built up roster in place. I’m not ruling out possibility of Houston taking Anderson at 2. Him + Stingley gives them All Pro level potential players on that defense. 

Serious question:

Falcons trade up to 3 and take Anthony Richardson; Will Anderson is still available at 5.

if 10 and 30 got you Will Anderson and a 3rd, is there any other (realistic) scenario that’d make this draft better?

3 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Serious question:

Falcons trade up to 3 and take Anthony Richardson; Will Anderson is still available at 5.

if 10 and 30 got you Will Anderson and a 3rd, is there any other (realistic) scenario that’d make this draft better?

I would take that 100%

7 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I am pretty sure they view Jurgens as the starter next season.  I don't see them using top 100 picks three years in a row for IOL.  RG or C may be needs but they're depth picks for at least next season. 

DT depends on the performance of Milton Williams and Davis.  Certainly they must think they need to continue to invest in DT because they value the position and especially interior defensive pressure.  I think CB is a higher priority because of Slay and Bradberry's ages.  

I don't know what they will do either. My guess is there's not a lot of certainty for the FO either. If they trade up I think it will be for Anderson or Carter.  It's possible they like one of the other DE prospects as well.  If they trade down, I think the board is wide open with the exception of LB and QB.  

Draft for the future.  Jurgens future is at C, even if he plays RG this year.  I imagine the Eagles want the next RG in this draft if BPA.  They tried Driscoll at RG and it wasn’t pretty.  I think he is the #1 backup but not a starter.  

Same approach would be DE.  After this year, their signed DEs are Sweat and Robinson.  In contrast, Williams, Davis and Marlon T  are here for 2 years and for Davis 4.  

CB is on the list too for exactly the reason you pointed out. 

S and LB are huge holes going forward. Not a good draft for those positions.

BPA in the draft but seriously need to look at a P too.  

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

On the drive home from work I heard a Texans caller who said "I don’t want to draft QB; we have a terrible run defense so I want them to draft Will Anderson”

I was a bit surprised neither host pointed out that Anderson would be chasing the passer and probably ignoring the RB on the way.  They both just told him the Texans are going QB at #2 all day long.

Strangely, though, the caller in the end was dead-on.  They would be so much further ahead as a franchise drafting a premium pass rusher than they will be with a 190 lb QB trying to survive behind an OL that isn’t good.

 

So is it pretty much established that stroud is going first?

Personally I'd take stroud over young as well and if I were the Texans id probably take defense over young as well 

I'm not going to bank the future on a midget QB who isn't a huge running threat.

On 3/24/2023 at 8:38 PM, Texas Eagle said:

Which scenario would you prefer:

1. Trade 10, 30, 2023 3rd for 5, 52 and go up to get Anderson Jr

2. Stay at 10 and take CB

3. Trade back

 

6 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Serious question:

Falcons trade up to 3 and take Anthony Richardson; Will Anderson is still available at 5.

if 10 and 30 got you Will Anderson and a 3rd, is there any other (realistic) scenario that’d make this draft better?

 

3 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I would take that 100%

Would you rather 10, 30, 2024 3rd for Anderson + 52 or 10, 30 for Anderson + 3rd? Essentially the difference comes down to (2024 3rd for 2nd this year) vs (3rd this year).

8 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Serious question:

Falcons trade up to 3 and take Anthony Richardson; Will Anderson is still available at 5.

if 10 and 30 got you Will Anderson and a 3rd, is there any other (realistic) scenario that’d make this draft better?

I'm not a huge fan of will Anderson, he's fast but he doesn't have a lot of bend.

Reminds me a bit of Beasley.

3 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

Soccer refs are the most officious by far.

Easiest team sport to referee

4 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

 

 

Would you rather 10, 30, 2024 3rd for Anderson + 52 or 10, 30 for Anderson + 3rd? Essentially the difference comes down to (2024 3rd for 2nd this year) vs (3rd this year).

First scenario 

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I think a DT would come in and play..a lot.

Hargrave played 712 snaps, 64%.  Cox played 713 snaps, 65%.  Milton Williams played 395 snaps, 36%. Jordan Davis played snaps 224, 26%.  Linval Joseph played 189 snaps, 38%.  Ndamukong Suh played 176 snaps, 35%.

Hargrave, Joseph and Suh played a combined 1,077 snaps last year.  That's A LOT. No DT played more than 65% of the snaps last year.

-Jordan Davis's high last year was 42%, 2 games before he got hurt.  I think he's going to hover around that snap count unfortunately.  Let's say he plays 50% in year 2 and doubles his snaps to 450 which is then adjusted up to 550 for the games he missed..  They are still left wtih 780 or so snaps to fill.

-Milton Williams is going to be asked to play a lot more to help fill the hole Hargrave left. He isn't going to play more than Hargrave did last year.  I think he's more in the 60% range so let's put him at 650 snaps.  Now we're at 525 snaps needed to fill.

-Fletcher Cox had one foot out the door and is one year older.  I don't see him playing 65% of the snaps again.  Let's say he plays 60% of the snaps next year which would put him roughly around 650. 

After all of that shuffling I did, the Eagles have rougly 600 snaps at DT they need to fill.  I know drafting for need isn't the best thing but a guy like Kancey or Van Ness would come in and play A LOT.  I think Van Ness playing inside is very intriguing.  I think we can see multiple DT taken over the course of the draft. 

You don’t want your DTs playing more than 60% of the snaps.  Ideally no more than 50%.  Keeps the players fresh, which is a huge advantage over the O-line players who take 100% of the snaps barring injury.

3 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

First scenario 

Curious because several people said it was way too much. I’d do it.

#10 for Simmons and profit 

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Curious because several people said it was way too much. I’d do it.

To me you essentially move up 5 spots in first, to move back 22 spots in the second, and send away a future 3rd in a draft we’re already stacked in on day 2/3 picks. You add a blue chip talent on defense, and have two 2nds now to where you can still try to trade back & add day 3 picks 

Went to Rant n Rave looking for the Mod’s post about everything going on in here and fell into a rabbit hole of ridiculous post after post. Lol. That place is different.

27 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Serious question:

Falcons trade up to 3 and take Anthony Richardson; Will Anderson is still available at 5.

if 10 and 30 got you Will Anderson and a 3rd, is there any other (realistic) scenario that’d make this draft better?

Yes. Plenty. 

4 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

#10 for Simmons and profit 

I like Simmons a lot, only problem is he’s going to get that contract Javon just left for

3 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Agreed. They need to upgrade the 3rd or at least 4th DT spot. It's something I don't think people are talking about enough and it's also why those complaining about bringing back Cox are wrong in my opinion. This defense has, is, and will be in the foreseeable future about the DL. Adding another DT and to a lesser extent, DE is important and something I think we will see early in the draft.

We have the backup(s) for Davis with Marlon and Elliss. I think if they go DT at some point (which I think they will), it’ll be for more of a penetrator/tweener like Milton i.e. Marlon’s brother Tuli, Kancey, Brooks, etc. 

3 hours ago, RLC said:

If we're going to draft an RB, it needs to be one who can break tackles and convert 3rd and 2. We have Scott/Gainwell as passing backs. We don't need another scatback.

Isn’t Penny the 3rd and 2 back?  What is Sermon’s bread and butter?  If Scott does not make the 53 I will not cry.

5 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

To me you essentially move up 5 spots in first, to move back 22 spots in the second, and send away a future 3rd in a draft we’re already stacked in on day 2/3 picks. You add a blue chip talent on defense, and have two 2nds now to where you can still try to trade back & add day 3 picks 

My thoughts exactly

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I like Simmons a lot, only problem is he’s going to get that contract Javon just left for

Yeah, I think I’d prefer keeping 10 to add players on cost controlled contracts with Jalen’s extension looming. Besides that #10 pick has immense value to potentially add picks in the future. Simmons is great and all but we also have Dickerson & Devonta extensions next year 

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I like Simmons a lot, only problem is he’s going to get that contract Javon just left for

I'd pay Simmons the same contract as Hargrave any day. 5 years younger and better. Probably not as many sacks but not abysmal against the run.