5 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

So they signed Bradberry and brought back Slay on a new deal instead when CJ and his agency completely misread his market. Pretty much what most of us thought happened.

Just now, T-1000 said:

So they signed Bradberry and brought back Slay on a new deal instead when CJ and his agency completely misread his market. Pretty much what most of us thought happened.

Honestly I think they were happy with the result. I don't think they went in thinking Bradberry would be signable at the number he got

5 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

If they wanted to move on from him because they didn't think as highly of the player, fine. But I'm tired of this "we ran out of money" garbage, when you paid a mediocre backup QB essentially the same deal you could've paid CJ. Please.

All signs indicate they didn't value CJ highly. And if they did and allowed him to walk over a few million here or there, that's pretty dumb.

Lol, you do realize that they had to allocate a certain amount of money to a backup QB. Especially when you consider the starter has missed time each of his two seasons as a starter. It's not as simple they paid 5 million for a backup QB, why not pay 6.5 million for a starting S. This isn't your PS franchise mode.

Also, they valued him plenty high. He would have been here over Slay or Bradberry had he and his agency not completely misread the market. The Eagles could only allocate so many dollars to their secondary as you see when CJ didn't take their offer early on they had to pivot.

3 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

I understand all that, but if you want a player that badly, you don't let a few million be the difference.

Ask yourself this: if Kelce and the Eagles were at an impasse over a contract and the Eagles went on to start signing other guys, do you think when Kelce's camp came back to the Eagles later on and said "Ok, we misjudged the market" they'd say "Sorry, we've moved on?" There is no chance in hell. Because they know how invaluable Kelce is.

Howie is known for doing everything he can to keep guys he thinks are vital. They may like CJGJ, but I don't think they considered him a key piece. There's a difference.

Now you are comparing the best C in football to an above average starting S......🤣🤣

5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Lol, you do realize that they had to allocate a certain amount of money to a backup QB. Especially when you consider the starter has missed time each of his two seasons as a starter. It's not as simple they paid 5 million for a backup QB, why not pay 6.5 million for a starting S. This isn't your PS franchise mode.

Also, they valued him plenty high. He would have been here over Slay or Bradberry had he and his agency not completely misread the market. The Eagles could only allocate so many dollars to their secondary as you see when CJ didn't take their offer early on they had to pivot.

Listening to Bo Wulf and Berman on BwF tonight, they had the same basic take as me. That if they valued him as a difference maker, he’d still be here. The reason they set that line in the sand is because they don’t value him as such. If he was a safety they considered a top of the line safety, they’d have found a way to keep him. But because they didn’t, it wasn’t that they didn’t have the money, it’s that they aren’t willing to put their cap situation in a precarious spot for someone they don’t consider a top of the line player. So technically it’s more about the player than the money, but it’s a bit of both.

9 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Honestly I think they were happy with the result. I don't think they went in thinking Bradberry would be signable at the number he got

I agree, and so should all of the Eagles fans. Corner is a far more valuable position than S and Bradberry is a much better and more impactful player than CJGJ. I like CJGJ and wanted him back but wow have some people overrated him. He is NOT an elite S in this league, just a good one with a knack for making plays.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Listening to Bo Wulf and Berman on BwF tonight, they had the same basic take as me. That if they valued him as a difference maker, he’d still be here. The reason they set that line in the sand is because they don’t value him as such. If he was a safety they considered a top of the line safety, they’d have found a way to keep him. But because they didn’t, it wasn’t that they didn’t have the money, it’s that they aren’t willing to put their cap situation in a precarious spot for someone they don’t consider a top of the line player. So technically it’s more about the player than the money, but it’s a bit of both.

That has nothing to do with the fact that CJGJ had nothing to do with signing a backup QB. They needed to allocate so much money for a backup QB. You aren't even getting a crap backup QB for 1-2 million. So ****ing about giving Mariota 5 million as it relates to CJGJ's deal is pointless.

We do agree on one thing though. They didn't see him as a top of line safety and that was the right call. CJ is a good safety with playmaking ability. He isn't a great tackler though and isn't consistent enough to be considered an elite player. If you think he is an elite starting S you are entitled to your opinion.

6 hours ago, RLC said:

If we're going to draft an RB, it needs to be one who can break tackles and convert 3rd and 2. We have Scott/Gainwell as passing backs. We don't need another scatback.

Outside of Gibbs, and maybe Achane or Mitchell, I agree.

But Gibbs’ skill set is special enough that I’d ignore need.

23 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

So they signed Bradberry and brought back Slay on a new deal instead when CJ and his agency completely misread his market. Pretty much what most of us thought happened.

Yep. I think Howie lied about not given the option to match the deal though. 

1 hour ago, MillerTime said:

After Howie’s comments about maintaining a high power offense today I think Bijan is definitely on the table. 

At 30, maybe in a trade down scenario from 10 to around 15, but I don’t think we will take him at #10 overall.

4 minutes ago, TEW said:

At 30, maybe in a trade down scenario from 10 to around 15, but I don’t think we will take him at #10 overall.

If he’s your guy just take him. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yep. I think Howie lied about not given the option to match the deal though. 

Probably

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I learned young that when taking a new job, good management is almost always more important than good money. With good management the money will come. 

What I’m learning from a job I just started a month ago… Everyone wants to be apart of something great, but very few have the mindset and drive to create something great. 

There are two basic career strategies:

1) Join the company/group with the best management and try to rise through the ranks, using the strength of the organization and higher ups to develop yourself and build a role with that team.

2) Change jobs frequently, essentially being a mercenary.

#2 is usually much more lucrative. #1 is probably more comfortable for the majority of people. But if you want to get PAID your best bet is switching jobs/companies every 2-3 years and aggressively seeking promotions and pay raises.

Totally agree with you on the last part about most people not having the drive to be great. I’d also add that this drive means you are sacrificing other parts of your life. There is a reason so many high powered people in the business world end up divorced or with F’d up kids despite their success on paper. Work is all you do.

Andy Reid and his sons are a great example of this. It’s hard to raise a family and be a strong father figure when you’re at work 18 hours a day.

45 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I can’t agree. Robinson would be the worst move Howie has ever made as a GM. For one, the Eagles already have the best rushing attack in the NFL. And you could argue Robinson makes it better, but I don’t think he makes it that much better than you’d expect. Not because he’s not Uber talented. But because there’s not a ton of room for improvement, it was already dominant. It’s like the Warriors spending their off-season resources improving Steph Curry’s jump shot rather than other areas. You’re wasting your most precious resource on an area that there wasn’t a lot of meat left on the bone to improve.

But besides that, the Eagles can have a championship caliber running game with the backs they currently have, plus someone from the mid rounds in a super deep class. However, they are far less likely to find blue chip talents at premium positions outside the first round. You can, it’s just far less likely than at RB. 
 

Robinson is a move that would take a year or two to really feel the effects of. When they pay a bunch of money to re-sign Dickerson, and Smith, and Reddick, and pay Hurts, and then Lane retires and Graham retires and Slay leaves and they’re down 3 great players at 3 premium positions and don’t have the money to go out and sign an elite free agent to replace them, you’re going to wish they used that 10th pick on a guy who could stop in and be the future.

Those positions are super expensive and the best way to be a perennial contender is to have quality talent in the pipeline at the most important positions. The Eagles have already proven they can get to two super bowls with very little invested at the RB position. It’s a formula that has worked for them.

Agree to disagree. Open real holes for Robinson and watch what he does in the second level. Punish defenses at will if they start doubling Brown. Robinson and even a guy like Calcaterra coming up and you could really roll. How much better is our DLine going to be than it was the last few years?  Still we were in some 38-35 ball games. I think it makes a lot of sense to take him. Take him early and solidify the D after that. 

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

I like him, and I fully expect another tweener penetrating DT to get drafted behind him. 
 

 

YES PLEASE!

That’s basically the perfect draft.

7 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

There was only one person that I knew of that knew my personal channel, I had thought he was trustworthy but perhaps, it seems, not. In his demand to delete his account and content, he even threw out a threat to go to Invision if we didn't, as if they care one way or the other about some random person on some random message board that they have nothing to do with lol. 

After posting here yesterday about this, he even emailed me complaining about 'blaming him', (saying that 'his people' were informing him of what's being said). Of course, I didn't name him and I even said that I didn't know who it was and that it may not be him at all, only that there was just ONE person (that I was aware of) that had the information. So either he gave the information out, which he said he wouldn't, or he did it himself. Either way, it doesn't matter. It's not like it was a huge "security secret" and now he's 'screwed me over'. I just wanted to avoid exactly what's going on now, which is whenever I post a video, the trolls want to TRY to harass me.

I guess they have nobody else that they can childishly lash out against (until they get banned from their new board, which I hear isn't very far fetched already lol), so why not lash out at me? I'm an easy target, right? Of course, they only help my channel by doing so lol. 

But to explain a little about my personal channel:
 

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Back during the beginning stages of the pandemic when nobody could leave their homes (and with my mother's health situation being what it is, that's still the case for me to a large extent), I began making what's called 'reaction videos'. That's where you watch something that you've never seen before (a movie or TV show) and record yourself watching it. Later, add the show or movie to the video so that others can see what you're seeing and reacting to, then edit it down to a shortened version for YouTube (or the entire video for Patreon) and upload it for others to watch. I'm may not be the best at it, with the most subscribers/views, and I can probably be a bit boring for some but I do ok and earn enough to help with the personal bills/expenses.  

There's people doing it on YouTube and Patreon making AN ISHTON of money at it, and by 'AN ISHTON', I'm talking five and six figures per year. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them lol, but I make enough to supplement my income and help with personal bills/food/gas/whatever. Which, since I am a fulltime, around the clock caregiver, is very helpful (and that's why I think doing something with the board's YouTube channel would really help the board if we can get it monetized). 

I earn revenue from various streams, including my channel. So it's basically like a 'job' and helps supplement my income so that personal bills and such are taken care of.  So when these idiots try to attack me there, they're also indirectly attacking my mother and my ability to pay the bills that help her. 

Anyone that wants to see my channel can PM me and I'll provide a link. Like I said, it's not a 'huge secret' kind of thing. But having been involved with message boards for more than 20 years, you learn to try your best to keep it separated from real life, for just this very reason. 

Whoever that loser is, do not let them back in, as eventually they will come crawling back after they get banned from whatever MB they went.

It needs to be a lifetime ban.

It’s also possible Robinson is gone by 10. 

10 minutes ago, TEW said:

There are two basic career strategies:

1) Join the company/group with the best management and try to rise through the ranks, using the strength of the organization and higher ups to develop yourself and build a role with that team.

2) Change jobs frequently, essentially being a mercenary.

#2 is usually much more lucrative. #1 is probably more comfortable for the majority of people. But if you want to get PAID your best bet is switching jobs/companies every 2-3 years and aggressively seeking promotions and pay raises.

Totally agree with you on the last part about most people not having the drive to be great. I’d also add that this drive means you are sacrificing other parts of your life. There is a reason so many high powered people in the business world end up divorced or with F’d up kids despite their success on paper. Work is all you do.

Andy Reid and his sons are a great example of this. It’s hard to raise a family and be a strong father figure when you’re at work 18 hours a day.

The important part about job hopping is to make sure you're trending in the right direction though. If it looks like you're just making lateral moves constantly it'll catch up to you. This is why I'm being pretty choosy about where I'm going next since I've moved around a good bit already.

9 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Agree to disagree. Open real holes for Robinson and watch what he does in the second level. Punish defenses at will if they start doubling Brown. Robinson and even a guy like Calcaterra coming up and you could really roll. How much better is our DLine going to be than it was the last few years?  Still we were in some 38-35 ball games. I think it makes a lot of sense to take him. Take him early and solidify the D after that. 

They were the #1 scoring offense in football with the best rushing attack though. They already did roll and did punish defenses. And remember they only have 6 picks, and two of those are 7th rounders. So those are always dart throws. They have so many holes both short-term and long-term on defense. And even if they went offense I think it's much smarter to go OL than RB. Taking a RB at 10 almost never works out for a team big picture.

Plus, I think there are several RBs in this draft that give you 80-85% of what Robinson gives you. Especially behind this OL, I really think the difference would be negligible.

Does anyone actually trust them to pick the right DL?

10 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Whoever that loser is, do not let them back in, as eventually they will come crawling back after they get banned from whatever MB they went.

It needs to be a lifetime ban.

It may be more than one individual, I suspect that a few people involved on one level or another. None of which did I ever have any kind of negative interactions with (as far as I remember). If I'm wrong about who I suspect, I'm wrong but there's too much evidence pointing in a particular direction to ignore. The first hint (to me), to expect something, actually came in this thread a few days or so ago. 

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

They were the #1 scoring offense in football with the best rushing attack though. They already did roll and did punish defenses. And remember they only have 6 picks, and two of those are 7th rounders. So those are always dart throws. They have so many holes both short-term and long-term on defense. And even if they went offense I think it's much smarter to go OL than RB. Taking a RB at 10 almost never works out for a team big picture.

Plus, I think there are several RBs in this draft that give you 80-85% of what Robinson gives you. Especially behind this OL, I really think the difference would be negligible.

I respect what you’re saying, just disagree. Take the Steph curry analogy. We’re not talking about sending lane to blocking school, we’re talking about adding an elite piece. That’s not improving Curry’s shot, it’s adding the second best shooter in the game to the roster and turning an elite offense into an unstoppable one. 
 

I hear you, I like a lot of the backs this year. I think Roschon Johnson would be a great add too. A few others in between obviously. But just imagine a saquon caliber back in this offense and scheme to stop it. Single high on this passing attack? Let this line plow through your nickel coverage?  Let Goeddert feast down the seam?  Imagine consistently getting 5-8 yards on first down on a gimme run. Gimme second and shorts all day long.
 

I get your points I just see the potential for a truly elite attack. Including the ability to bang out 8 minute drives all game and keep the D off the field 

 

9 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Does anyone actually trust them to pick the right DL?

Not really. I'd feel better about them picking CB. There's a lot of variability at DE right now it seems and not prospects that you'd want to pick at 10 usually.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Who was it likely?