14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I know the tweet was posted already, but my goodness, what a massive overpay. A 2023 2 and a potential 2024 1 for Rodgers? Who are they bidding against?

That and they may only end up with one year of him. Hard to tell with him and I'm not sure that even he knows.

I know a lot of you have greatly missed my absence this past week. I traveled back to the homeland and got some pics to share.

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I know the tweet was posted already, but my goodness, what a massive overpay. A 2023 2 and a potential 2024 1 for Rodgers? Who are they bidding against?

Their futility for the last 50 years.   Same reason they brought in Favre at the end.  Desperate times makes for stupid decisions.  

The Rodgers to the Jets rumors heating up just reminds me of how special it is for a player to play their entire career with one organization.

Joe Montana - finished with the Chiefs.
Johnny Unitas - finished with the Chargers.
Joe Namath - finished with the Rams.
and so many more... 

It really makes you appreciate the likes of: 

Walter Payton (13 years, all with Chicago), Mike Singletary, Bruce Matthews (franchise moved, but he never moved on), Jackie Slater, Anthony Munoz.

And here with the Eagles... Jason Kelce, Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox and Brent Celek   ...legends.  (A little deeper in history... Jerry Sizemore). 10+ years all with only the Eagles.  

Meanwhile, Dawkins, White, Cunningham, McNabb, Carmichael, Montgomery... all finished elsewhere.

 

And what it also shows is that it might be easier for a lineman than other positions.

Since PFF is charging these days I used PFN's .  In this scenario I swapped pick 10, 30, and next year 3rd rounder for pick 11 and Jeffrey Simmons... Then traded down again for a few mid-round picks

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The Rodgers to the Jets rumors heating up just reminds me of how special it is for a player to play their entire career with one organization.

Joe Montana - finished with the Chiefs.
Johnny Unitas - finished with the Chargers.
Joe Namath - finished with the Rams.
and so many more... 

It really makes you appreciate the likes of: 

Walter Payton (13 years, all with Chicago), Mike Singletary, Bruce Matthews (franchise moved, but he never moved on), Jackie Slater, Anthony Munoz.

And here with the Eagles... Jason Kelce, Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox and Brent Celek   ...legends.  (A little deeper in history... Jerry Sizemore). 10+ years all with only the Eagles.  

Meanwhile, Dawkins, White, Cunningham, McNabb, Carmichael, Montgomery... all finished elsewhere.

 

And what it also shows is that it might be easier for a lineman than other positions.

I could argue the opposite. Does it really make us think different of the guys who spent a season or 2 elsewhere? It's kind of like oh yeah Harold Carmichael was on the Cowboys for a cup of coffee. It's the NFL, If Cox or Graham spend a season somewhere else next year it doesn't really matter.

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I could argue the opposite. Does it really make us think different of the guys who spent a season or 2 elsewhere? It's kind of like oh yeah Harold Carmichael was on the Cowboys for a cup of coffee. It's the NFL, If Cox or Graham spend a season somewhere else next year it doesn't really matter.

You missed the point.  I said, it was 'special'... as in 'rare'.  

28 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Their futility for the last 50 years.   Same reason they brought in Favre at the end.  Desperate times makes for stupid decisions.  

Yeah. I’m having a hard time seeing how Rodgers is worth all this effort. He doesn’t make them a Super Bowl contender. They might not even be an AFC East contender. And Rodgers is a complete hippy arse. How will that play in NY? This has disaster written all over it. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah. I’m having a hard time seeing how Rodgers is worth all this effort. He doesn’t make them a Super Bowl contender. They might not even be an AFC East contender. And Rodgers is a complete hippy arse. How will that play in NY? This has disaster written all over it. 

Yup.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Just thinking more about RB today.  Even if Penny has some miraculous year and plays all 17 games, he's here on a 1-year deal.  He'll be a 28 year old UFA next year and if he plays well he probably looks for the biggest deal he can get, if anyone offers.

Boston Scott is here on a 1-year deal and turns 28 in a month.  Are the Eagles going to bring back a 29 year old RB next year?

RB is a need.  Not sure where in the draft they will get one but it can't be ignored that's for sure.

If we could guarantee Penny plays 15 games, RB really wouldn’t be a need. A bunch of players on one-year deals isn’t all that important because it’s such an easily replaceable position year to year.

Unfortunately because Penny can’t be relied on, we still need one more body at the position — unless the Eagles really are intrigued by Sermon.

8 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Keaton Mitchell is certainly a spark plug.  Looking at his highlights I at first wrote it off to weak competition, but he’s playing against some decent teams here.

Ran a 4.37 at the Combine.  I assume he’s a late round guy/UDFA.  Might be worth a look 

 

Westbrook went to a small school as well and went in the 3rd.

Granted that was back in the day when teams valued RB more.

I imagine this guy gets drafted,he's got some serious burst and speed.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If we could guarantee Penny plays 15 games, RB really wouldn’t be a need. A bunch of players on one-year deals isn’t all that important because it’s such an easily replaceable position year to year.

Unfortunately because Penny can’t be relied on, we still need one more body at the position — unless the Eagles really are intrigued by Sermon.

Still weird that they paid Scott what they did so quickly.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Still weird that they paid Scott what they did so quickly.

Yup. 

1 hour ago, wussbasket said:

I know a lot of you have greatly missed my absence this past week. I traveled back to the homeland and got some pics to share.

 

How did bud light make a bronze statue of Doug that’s more accurate than any of the busts in Canton?

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Westbrook went to a small school as well and went in the 3rd.

Granted that was back in the day when teams valued RB more.

I imagine this guy gets drafted,he's got some serious burst and speed.

Trying to pinpoint when the shift from valuing RBs to passing being king started

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yup. 

Gainwell finished strong but started badly. Penny misses 50% of his games and I'm not at all sure what purpose Scott serves. As you said Sermon is a wildcard but they didn't seem all that interested in using him last season.  It's an iffy group. There's a best case scenario but I'm not sure the expected scenario is good enough

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah. I’m having a hard time seeing how Rodgers is worth all this effort. He doesn’t make them a Super Bowl contender. They might not even be an AFC East contender. And Rodgers is a complete hippy arse. How will that play in NY? This has disaster written all over it. 

And I am here for every minute of it! 😁🍿

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

How do you feel better wtih them picking the right CB?  When has Howie ever taken a good DB? I don't trust them much more on the DL side of things but I'd argue DB is Howie's biggest weakness when it comes to drafting, followed by the rest of the defense.  

Assuming that either Witherspoon or Gonzalez is at 10 I feel like they're pretty easy picks if you're going CB. With DL, you have your hodgepodge of guys that around mid 1st talent so you're hoping that they pick the right one.

It's moreso to do with talent available than how well I think they're able to evaluate talent. After 10, I'd feel better about them picking DL over CB.

5 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Gainwell finished strong but started badly. Penny misses 50% of his games and I'm not at all sure what purpose Scott serves. As you said Sermon is a wildcard but they didn't seem all that interested in using him last season.  It's an iffy group. There's a best case scenario but I'm not sure the expected scenario is good enough

The only thing I could think of is that maybe the Eagles tried to pair Penny with a higher end back, maybe a Harris type, but the better RBs weren’t content to take a deal to be in a three-man committee, even if Penny is a major injury risk. So they went with a safe choice, with a slight overpay. 

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If we could guarantee Penny plays 15 games, RB really wouldn’t be a need. A bunch of players on one-year deals isn’t all that important because it’s such an easily replaceable position year to year.

Unfortunately because Penny can’t be relied on, we still need one more body at the position — unless the Eagles really are intrigued by Sermon.

Have to assume Penny is good for 100 carries, and nothing more. Need an upgrade over Trey Sermon.

10 hours ago, TEW said:

There are two basic career strategies:

1) Join the company/group with the best management and try to rise through the ranks, using the strength of the organization and higher ups to develop yourself and build a role with that team.

2) Change jobs frequently, essentially being a mercenary.

#2 is usually much more lucrative. #1 is probably more comfortable for the majority of people. But if you want to get PAID your best bet is switching jobs/companies every 2-3 years and aggressively seeking promotions and pay raises.

Totally agree with you on the last part about most people not having the drive to be great. I’d also add that this drive means you are sacrificing other parts of your life. There is a reason so many high powered people in the business world end up divorced or with F’d up kids despite their success on paper. Work is all you do.

Andy Reid and his sons are a great example of this. It’s hard to raise a family and be a strong father figure when you’re at work 18 hours a day.

Yep. That’s why at 36 I’m still single and have no kids. Also because I hate women and they hate me back 

9 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Yep. That’s why at 36 I’m still single and have no kids. Also because I hate women and they hate me back 

 

 

Jeffrey Simmons seems like a Jason Peters type trade Howie will definitely explore

38 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Trying to pinpoint when the shift from valuing RBs to passing being king started

I'd say 2012, thats the last time 3 RBs went in the first 

Trent Richardson 4 ( bust) Martin 31( bust) Wilson 32 ( bust).

Then 2013 zero in the 1st, Bernard first RB picked at 37 then again in 2014 no backs taken in the 1st with Bishop Sankey( bust) going at 54 followed by Jeremy hill 55 then Carlos Hyde at 57, all those guys sucked.

Since 2017 had two guys in the top 10 Fournette(4) McCaffrey (8)

Then of course last year no backs taken in the first again.

But I'd say 2012 was the beginning of the end for RBs.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'd say 2012, thats the last time 3 RBs went in the first 

Trent Richardson 4 ( bust) Martin 31( bust) Wilson 32 ( bust).

Then 2013 zero in the 1st, Bernard first RB picked at 37 then again in 2014 no backs taken in the 1st with Bishop Sankey( bust) going at 54 followed by Jeremy hill 55 then Carlos Hyde at 57, all those guys sucked.

Since 2017 had two guys in the top 10 Fournette(4) McCaffrey (8)

Then of course last year no backs taken in the first again.

But I'd say 2012 was the beginning of the end for RBs.

Barkley too