8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I like Robinson and Gibbs more, but they'll be 1st round picks.  I might slot Evans just above Charbonnet.  You'd likely need to hope Evans is still on the board at #62 overall.

I like Robinson and Gibbs more as well, but I’m not taking a RB in the 1st Round and both have 1st Round grades in my opinion.  I’ll slot Evans in in the 2nd round. Where do you slot in Tucker?

16 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Here is a start.  Feel free to suggest additional target players.  Comments obviously welcomed.
 

Round 1 - first half of the Round

DE/Edge - Tyree Wilson - Texas Tech     Physically imposing length and good power; but not fast to the corner, needs to learn to use his hands, so somewhat raw for an older prospect.

OT - Broderick Jones - Georgia   If Kelce and Isaac move on - he fits the bill for the Eagles as a young, athletic, ascending talent that can be plugged in at G but trained up to replace Lane.  Other teams might not be as high on him as a top-10 pick, as he has limited experience and they might we wary to throw him right into the fire at LT as a rookie.

Round 1 - second half of the Round

CB - Devon Williamson - Illinois Sticky in man coverage, good click and close in zone, feisty in run support - OK size, but a bit light and the Big10 West is not exactly the greatest show on turf.  Most of the pundits have him penciled in as CB1 ahead of the combine, so probably in play at #10.

DT - Siaki Ika - Baylor NT size that flashes some pass rush, but wasn't particularly good against the run for whatever reason in 2022.

Round 2

DT - Gervon Dexter - Florida Strong 5T that can hold ground, but isn't twitchy or quick off the snap.

DE/Edge - Lukas Van Ness - Iowa Boom or bust bullrusher without a lot of film, but is getting first round buzz.

DE/Edge - Andre Carter - Army 

RB - Zach Charbonnet - UCLA Not a HR threat, but does everything well - I'm fine with him anywhere in the 3rd.

CB - Tre’Vius Hodges-Tomlinson - TCU

RB - Devon Achane - Texas A&M HR threat, linear runner, not sure how he'd do on a steady diet of inside zone.

Round 3

OG - Steve Avila - TCU Versatile prospect, I question his range but good in short areas and consistent in pass protection as he anchors well.

LB - Jack Campbell - Iowa Good 4-3 Mike or 3-4 Thumper to take on blocks, has good instincts to compensate for range... maybe an upgrade on TJ, but with some the same problems in coverage or getting to the sideline.

TE - Luke Musgrave - Oregon State Well regarded despite missing most of the season due to injury.

LB - Demarion Overshown - Texas Excellent range, WIL prospect here that would likely benefit by being protected by our DL vs the run.

Round 4

RB - Kenny McIntosh - Georgia

RB - Kendra Miller - TCU

Rounds 5 and 6

CB - Noah Daniels - TCU

QB - Dorian Thompson-Robinson - UCLA Interesting interview if you have heard him speak, has the tools of a rQB but needs to work on the decision making (but I like the intangibles).

RB - Roschon Johnson - Texas Cheaper alternative to Robinson/Charbonnet/Miller in the big back mold.

CB - Julius Brent’s - Kansas State

Round 7 and UDFAs

WR/PR - Michael Wilson - Stanford Good showing at the Senior Bowl, held back by injuries which seem to be the only reason he'd be available in the 7th.

QB - Max Duggan - TCU

LB/Edge - Nick Herbig - Wisconsin Productive pass rusher and pretty good instincts relatively as a LB, I think Haason Reddick will get this guy drafted much higher as a SAM/pass rush specialist.

RB - Tyjae Spears - Tulane Good showing at the Senior Bowl, seems like a midround prospect as I believe he weighed in over 200lbs (which is surprising given the quicks he has)

WR/PR - Derius Davis -TCU

 

Here's my 2-cents Matt (see comments above).

55 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Here's my 2-cents Matt (see comments above).

Thanks.  Excellent additions.  I’m going to keep a running list and repost it periodically. I’ve reposted it here so the Expand function of the EMB doesn’t hide it.

Here is a start.  Feel free to suggest additional target players.  Comments obviously welcomed.
 

Round 1 - first half of the Round

DE/Edge - Tyree Wilson - Texas Tech     Physically imposing length and good power; but not fast to the corner, needs to learn to use his hands, so somewhat raw for an older prospect.

OT - Broderick Jones - Georgia   If Kelce and Isaac move on - he fits the bill for the Eagles as a young, athletic, ascending talent that can be plugged in at G but trained up to replace Lane.  Other teams might not be as high on him as a top-10 pick, as he has limited experience and they might we wary to throw him right into the fire at LT as a rookie.

Round 1 - second half of the Round

CB - Devon Williamson - Illinois Sticky in man coverage, good click and close in zone, feisty in run support - OK size, but a bit light and the Big10 West is not exactly the greatest show on turf.  Most of the pundits have him penciled in as CB1 ahead of the combine, so probably in play at #10.

DT - Siaki Ika - Baylor NT size that flashes some pass rush, but wasn't particularly good against the run for whatever reason in 2022.

Round 2

DT - Gervon Dexter - Florida Strong 5T that can hold ground, but isn't twitchy or quick off the snap.

DE/Edge - Lukas Van Ness - Iowa Boom or bust bullrusher without a lot of film, but is getting first round buzz.

DE/Edge - Andre Carter - Army 

RB - Zach Charbonnet - UCLA Not a HR threat, but does everything well - I'm fine with him anywhere in the 3rd.

CB - Tre’Vius Hodges-Tomlinson - TCU

RB - Devon Achane - Texas A&M HR threat, linear runner, not sure how he'd do on a steady diet of inside zone.

Round 3

OG - Steve Avila - TCU Versatile prospect, I question his range but good in short areas and consistent in pass protection as he anchors well.

LB - Jack Campbell - Iowa Good 4-3 Mike or 3-4 Thumper to take on blocks, has good instincts to compensate for range... maybe an upgrade on TJ, but with some the same problems in coverage or getting to the sideline.

TE - Luke Musgrave - Oregon State Well regarded despite missing most of the season due to injury.

LB - Demarion Overshown - Texas Excellent range, WIL prospect here that would likely benefit by being protected by our DL vs the run.

Round 4

RB - Sean Tucker - Syracuse Quick feet and very natural pass catcher out of the backfield.

RB - Kenny McIntosh - Georgia

RB - Kendra Miller - TCU

Rounds 5 and 6

CB - Noah Daniels - TCU

QB - Dorian Thompson-Robinson - UCLA Interesting interview if you have heard him speak, has the tools of a rQB but needs to work on the decision making (but I like the intangibles).

RB - Roschon Johnson - Texas Cheaper alternative to Robinson/Charbonnet/Miller in the big back mold.

CB - Julius Brents - Kansas State

Round 7 and UDFAs

WR/PR - Michael Wilson - Stanford Good showing at the Senior Bowl, held back by injuries which seem to be the only reason he'd be available in the 7th.

QB - Max Duggan - TCU

LB/Edge - Nick Herbig - Wisconsin Productive pass rusher and pretty good instincts relatively as a LB, I think Haason Reddick will get this guy drafted much higher as a SAM/pass rush specialist.

RB - Tyjae Spears - Tulane Good showing at the Senior Bowl, seems like a midround prospect as I believe he weighed in over 200lbs (which is surprising given the quicks he has)

WR/PR - Derius Davis -TCU

22 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sean Tucker from Syracuse looks very interesting as a RB prospect as well.  Quick feet and very natural pass catcher out of the backfield.

I like his fit in our offense

2 hours ago, paco said:

A combination of not wanting to think about football for a few days plus being absolutely underwater with work and a toddler has me a bit behind.  I saw some comments about Howie leaving Gannon in Arizona but didn't get a chance to process it yet.

 

While I get the lulz "Lol, Gannon sucks so bad Howie left him behind!1", is the general consensus that the FO was acting as a barrier to prevent distraction until after the game?  I.E. they told other organizations they would make their folks available once the game was over and to work with them to schedule?

No, from what I read he wanted it that way

18 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I like Robinson and Gibbs more as well, but I’m not taking a RB in the 1st Round and both have 1st Round grades in my opinion.  I’ll slot Evans in in the 2nd round. Where do you slot in Tucker?

Tucker is likely there in the 4th round IMO .... if we get a pick there.

16 minutes ago, greend said:

No, from what I read he wanted it that way

You doing any hunting this time of year? Is anything even in season?

Worst article of 2023 this far. 

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/2/17/23603723/eric-bieniemy-nfl-head-coach-carousel-kansas-city-chiefs

45 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I like his fit in our offense

Are you at all concerned about "wear on his tires”?  I heard Syracuse worked him very very hard. 

I think pick 10 comes down to Porter Jr, Gonzalez, Johnson Jr, Skoronski. I do think Howie will trade down in the draft though, whether it's from 10 or 30, who knows.

This is everything you want out of a slot WR/PR/KR.  I was a big fan of Covey going in to the draft last year and then I was high up on the hater list as he was thrown around like a paper bag on PR.  He improved during the season so it may very well be a confidence and getting used to NFL speed for him.  I think if he adds 7-10 lbs before the season then you have to look at him in the slot.  He has value as a PR but is also a waste as JUST a PR, especially since he really hasn't broken one yet.  Will be interesting to see if he can bulk up and try to contribute on offense too.

I also realize the chances of that happening are slim to none.

 

It seems clear that a really good CB will be there at 10+, so maybe a small trade back.

Which points to, along with $$, Bradberry leaving.  Which I am ok with.  I'd rather pay top dollar for Hargrave and maintain excellence on the DL.

Picking an OL with the first pick would depend on Kelce.  If he stays, roll with Jurgens at RG.  I know we have to think about a succession plan at RG, but the cupboard isn't very full with young defensive talent. 

On 2/16/2023 at 7:58 AM, TorontoEagle said:

You think we go from 6 picks (2 of those in round 7) to 12-15 picks? And I’m the confused one?

So, what type of GM does your team have? Who makes a lot of moves and who tends to stand pat? The numbers below cover the 2011-2019 Drafts, since the introduction of the Rookie Wage Scale:

GMs that like to move Down and stockpile Draft Capital:

• Rick Spielman, Minnesota Vikings (9 Up, 28 Down). The Vikings prioritize getting as many dart throws as possible, which has definitely proven successful. In 2012, the Vikings traded down from No. 3 to No. 4 with the Browns. Trent Richardson ended up in Cleveland and the Vikings landed Matt Kalil. Two years later in 2014, the Browns called again looking to move up one spot from No. 9 to No. 8. Justin Gilbert ended up in Cleveland and the Vikings took Anthony Barr. One thing is for sure, if the Browns call the Vikings answer (on the first ring).
• Bill Belichick, New England Patriots (13 Up, 23 Down). The Patriots arguably belong in the first grouping, as they move around the Draft unlike anyone else. But, as you can see, they move back more than they jump up. They also made a lot of these 13 trade-ups in recent years, presumably to keep making Super Bowl runs with Tom Brady. Now that they’re onto their next chapter, we’d expect them to get back to their stockpiling ways that led to so much long-term success in the first place.
• John Schneider, Seattle Seahawks (10 Up, 18 Down). When you draft Russell Wilson, Kam Chancellor, and Richard Sherman all in the 3rd Round or later, what’s the point in trading up anyway?!
• Chris Ballard, Indianapolis Colts (3 Up, 8 Down). Ballard is relatively new to his position, hired in 2017, but has already made it pretty clear that he prefers to stockpile picks. The Trade-Downs occurred much earlier than the Trade-Ups, most notably when the Colts sent pick No. 3 in 2018 to the Jets for No. 6, 37, 49 & a 2020 2nd which turned out to be pick No. 34. The players taken with those picks look quite promising thus far, perhaps inspiring more of the same from Ballard.

GMs that maneuver Up & Down:

• Les Snead, Los Angeles Rams (9 Up, 16 Down). Les Snead is always looking to bounce around the NFL Draft in search of value. Sometimes it seems like the Rams and Patriots make trades with each other just to spice things up and keep other teams on their toes. All jokes aside, the Rams have been involved in many of the major trades of the decade. They traded out of pick No. 2 for a huge haul in 2012 when the Redskins moved up for Robert Griffin III. Then their turn to strike on a franchise QB came in 2016, when they moved up to No. 1 for Jared Goff.
• Howie Roseman, Philadelphia Eagles (10 Up, 16 Down). Howie Roseman wheels and deals around the Draft like nobodies business, accumulating more picks when smart to drop back and making moves up when called for. The Eagles are always a team to keep an eye on in the Draft, and this year is no different. At pick No. 21 in the first round, they’re in a pivotal spot that could call for a move in either direction depending how the board falls.
• Jason Licht, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (8 Up, 4 Down). The Buccaneers have had a smart approach to the NFL Draft: Trade Down from higher up in the Draft when the value (positional value or player value) isn’t there, and Trade Up later on when the price isn’t as steep.
• Steve Keim, Arizona Cardinals (4 Up, 5 Down). The Cardinals made the gutsy (and smart) call in 2019 to draft Kyler Murray No. 1 overall, even after they had just traded up for and drafted Josh Rosen at No. 10 overall in 2018. In general, the Cardinals are not afraid to move up or down early in the Draft. They find themselves in the Top 10 again this year at No. 8, and while the available talent will likely be too good to pass up, I could see them fielding calls hoping a team makes an offer they can’t refuse.
• John Lynch, San Francisco 49ers (6 Up, 4 Down). It’s still pretty early in John Lynch’s tenure in San Francisco, but he has not been a stranger to Draft trades. The 49ers acquired the No. 13 pick in the 2020 Draft from the Indianapolis Colts for DeForest Buckner, giving them two first round picks (their own is No. 31), and then traded down one spot with Tampa Bay to No. 14 – recouping a fourth-round pick in the process. This year they’ve of course made the blockbuster of the year, moving up to No. 3 to select a quarterback.
• Mike Mayock & Jon Gruden, Oakland Raiders (3 Up, 3 Down). While the duo has only been in Oakland for two Drafts thus far, they’ve demonstrated a clear willingness to maneuver with six Draft trades over the course of their tenure.
• Chris Grier, Miami Dolphins (3 Up, 4 Down) (hired 2019 season). Grier has been stockpiling picks, and is never afraid of any move. After trading down from No. 3 to No. 12 with the 49ers, Grier moved back up to No. 6 with Philadelphia to stay in striking range of one of the elite prospects in this year’s class.
• Eric DeCosta, Baltimore Ravens (2 Up, 2 Down) (hired 2019 season). DeCosta is a disciple of longtime Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome, but we may want to see a few more Drafts from him before making any declarations. In 2019, the Ravens traded down early and then made a move up late. Newsome would have landed in the "maneuver Up & Down” category with 6 Trade-Ups to 8 Trade-Downs from 2011-2018, so DeCosta appears to have picked up where he let off.

There is value in moving around the Draft and becoming a friendly trade partner with various teams.

 

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

It seems clear that a really good CB will be there at 10+, so maybe a small trade back.

Which points to, along with $$, Bradberry leaving.  Which I am ok with.  I'd rather pay top dollar for Hargrave and maintain excellence on the DL.

Picking an OL with the first pick would depend on Kelce.  If he stays, roll with Jurgens at RG.  I know we have to think about a succession plan at RG, but the cupboard isn't very full with young defensive talent. 

 

Only OL I would consider in the first is OT if someone is available that they feel like would be a great eventual replacement for Lane. Guard they can get later in the draft.

 

Agree on maybe trading back a few spots if CB is the target and the board falls that way. 

There it is. 

52 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You doing any hunting this time of year? Is anything even in season?

Small game - I'm in a squirrel tournament tomorrow  

And yes, I know you weren't asking 

 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

There it is. 

My guess is that he is a 3-4 guy based on what SEA did last year and his experience with Pagano at CHI.  This is kind of a relief, as with Reddick/JD we are still tilted in that direction personnel-wise despite the likelihood of losing half of the defensive roster in FA. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Willing to bet Eagles had by far more attempts than any team above them, and because we were stopped once with Minshew and once with Hurts its going to skew the numbers. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I wonder how rstarter feels about this

21 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is everything you want out of a slot WR/PR/KR.  I was a big fan of Covey going in to the draft last year and then I was high up on the hater list as he was thrown around like a paper bag on PR.  He improved during the season so it may very well be a confidence and getting used to NFL speed for him.  I think if he adds 7-10 lbs before the season then you have to look at him in the slot.  He has value as a PR but is also a waste as JUST a PR, especially since he really hasn't broken one yet.  Will be interesting to see if he can bulk up and try to contribute on offense too.

I also realize the chances of that happening are slim to none.

 

Well he is certainly tough enough to take the shots at slot.  Kid is made of steel.

16 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Small game - I'm in a squirrel tournament tomorrow  

And yes, I know you weren't asking 

.22 or sling shots?

Sean Payton is so annoying.  I look forward to him failing in Denver. 

 

 

I think Emanuel Forbes is first rd talent