50 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think Torrence is a better guard prospect. If you want a guard, trade down and take Torrence. Or take someone like Schmitz in the 2nd round.

Torrence is going to be a mauler in the NFL.  I love his game.  I think he falls in no mans land between 30 and 62.  He's another guy I'd have my eyes on if they can trade down from 10 and get another 2nd and change.  He's a bit older just turning 23 in January but that's much better than taking a 24 year old.

7 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I think it would. Because Jurgens starting would mean you only drafted a backup OG/OT

For only a season, which we’ve done a lot. We’re 4-5 deep at pass rusher; It’s possible if we draft a Nolan Smith or a Myles Murphy, he’s a backup’s backup for at least a season. I don’t think that would preclude us from taking him

40 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Can someone explain to me why this isn’t a strange question? That’s like asking who the greatest Tar Heel is of all time, or what’s the greatest peanut butter cup of all time.

You could either keep or leave the word "backup” and you still come to the same answer. Maybe I’m understanding it wrong, but the dude has been retired for 5 minutes and suddenly everyone forgets he existed.

I'd be very interested in a PB cup challenge.  

Just now, bpac55 said:

I'd be very interested in a PB cup challenge.  

To be honest, I’ve had Reese’s and a couple of lesser vegan ones my sister has at her house. I couldn’t even name another brand that makes them

Freakbeasts

Just now, Aerolithe_Lion said:

To be honest, I’ve had Reese’s and a couple of lesser vegan ones my sister has around her house. I couldn’t even name another brand that makes them

I was going to post that Reese's are my favorite but that seems like too easy of an answer.  I just really like the gritty PB texture they have.  I know there are better PB cups out there, especially at local candy shops and such but nothing beats a Reese's PB cup that's been in the fridge.

wouldve been nice. Really wish I knew their plan at safety…

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd be very interested in a PB cup challenge.  

 

 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

wouldve been nice. Really wish I knew their plan at safety…

Ugh, played really well under Desai too. Even if they have a plan have they been good at building/drafting S and LB? Nope, no confidence there.

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Exactly. His comp by a lot of draft analysis and experts is zack Martin. If you get zack Martin or Quenton nelson for the next decade that’s a hell of a pick. If he’s a 10 year starter with just a couple of pro bowls that’s a good pick. It’s not sexy and rather be a definitive OT but that’s a massively good player if he becomes that and lives up to that potential. You’d also basically have 4 of 5 starting olineman locked up for next 7-8 years with mailata, Dickerson, jurgens and skoronski. 

He does not strike me as anything like either Martin or Nelson.  I think he's an athletic IOL but he doesnt seem to have the kind of bulldozer power or immovable anchor that those 2 have.  Maybe it's the scheme he was in but all of his ability seems to come down to his ability to athletically get into place quicker than college defensive linemen.  I didn't see him driving people off of the ball.  I don''t see him pancaking defenders in space.  He seems to lack meaness.  Also, he seems to struggle anchoring. He may be a decent OG but I don't think he's going to be a sure thing type player.  I would rather they bet on the better physical speciment and Stoutland's ability to coach them up to develop technique.  

14 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I think it would. Because Jurgens starting would mean you only drafted a backup OG/OT

 

For this season but not long term and long term is what the draft is for.  That is also a very important role when you consider both of our starting OTs are injury prone as is our starting LG.  

9 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

For only a season, which we’ve done a lot. We’re 4-5 deep at pass rusher; It’s possible if we draft a Nolan Smith or a Myles Murphy, he’s a backup’s backup for at least a season. I don’t think that would preclude us from taking him

Dillard was drafted at 22 I believe? And that was to be the future LT. That’s different than taking a backup OG/RT at 10  that could be a backup for 3 seasons. There’s no guarantee Kelce retires after this season. Both Kelce and Lane are playing at an ALL-pro level. That being said, if Skoronski is the pick at 10 the RG spot will be his job to lose. 
 

4-5 deep at pass rusher is a bit of an exaggeration. Even so, Backup pass rushers will still get plenty of reps even if the starters are healthy. I’d say BG has less of a chance to be here in 2024 than Kelce. 

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

For this season but not long term and long term is what the draft is for.  That is also a very important role when you consider both of our starting OTs are injury prone as is our starting LG.  

I agree. But pick 10?… pick 30, OK. 

48 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Brady was a 6th round pick though who was drafted to a team with a franchise and potential(at the time) HoF QB. He was intended to be a reserve player, and was brought into his first ever playing time season as the backup. Mahomes was drafted as a not-too-distant future starter, and came into the 2018 season as #1 on the depth chart. He never excelled in backup duties before being handed the starting job. Brady should have been a (short-lived)career backup had that not happened.

 

I suppose it’s how you interpret the question:

In an alltime perspective for someone thought to be a career backup, Drew Bledsoe’s backup QB was about to win 7 super bowls.

or

In a specific season as a backup, Trent Green was prepping to start for the 1999 rams before Kurt Warner had to replace him, set all kinds of passing records and won both the Super Bowl and league MVP

or 

In a midseason effort, Nick Foles filled in for a championship run late in the season and put up alltime statistical performances to keep the ship on course 

or

in a single game effort, Tua Tagovailoa(sorry Jalen) took over in the college championship at halftime with an insurmountable deficit and brought the team all the way back

Does it really matter what round they were drafted or what the original intention was though? Brady exceeded expectations and was a starter for the overwhelming majority of his career. The question is asking about career backups. Guys whose majority of their career was as a backup. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

Dillard was drafted at 22 I believe? And that was to be the future LT. That’s different than taking a backup OG/RT at 10  that could be a backup for 3 seasons. There’s no guarantee Kelce retires after this season. Both Kelce and Lane are playing at an ALL-pro level. That being said, if Skoronski is the pick at 10 the RG spot will be his job to lose. 
 

4-5 deep at pass rusher is a bit of an exaggeration. Even so, Backup pass rushers will still get plenty of reps even if the starters are healthy. I’d say BG has less of a chance to be here in 2024 than Kelce. 

This speaks to premium vs non premium positions.

QB/WR/OT/EDGE…high end potential has round 1 value even if a red shirt year (or 2?) are involved.

OG/S/LB/RB…pretty much any first round pick not only needs to be a day 1 starter, they almost WILL be handed the job.  You just don’t draft someone in round 1 on a 2-3 year plan to gradually contribute at those positions.

24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd be very interested in a PB cup challenge.  

Reese’s eggs ftw 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Does it really matter what round they were drafted or what the original intention was though? Brady exceeded expectations and was a starter for the overwhelming majority of his career. The question is asking about career backups. Guys whose majority of their career was as a backup. 

He didn’t say career backups, but that is one way to interpret it. Does that exclude Nick then, as he did have a stint as a starter?

2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

He didn’t say career backups, but that is one way to interpret it. Does that exclude Nick then, as he did have a stint as a starter?

I think it’s pretty clear that’s what they meant. 2 guys have been retired. All 4 have had stints as a starter. Mayfield was kind of a weird inclusion considering the majority of his career was a starter. But no, it doesn’t exclude Nick. Most of his career was as a backup. 

2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

He didn’t say career backups, but that is one way to interpret it. Does that exclude Nick then, as he did have a stint as a starter?

He had 4 stints as a starter and didn't last for any of them... I'd consider him a career back up even if he was meant to start those 4 times

17 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

4-5 deep at pass rusher is a bit of an exaggeration. Even so, Backup pass rushers will still get plenty of reps even if the starters are healthy. I’d say BG has less of a chance to be here in 2024 than Kelce. 

Whether you believe it an exaggeration or not, eagles will have about 1100 snaps next year on defense, or 2200 in 2 combined DE Positions. In a season without too many unexpected injuries with our current roster, Barnett, Graham, Reddick, Sweat will take up at least 1700 of those. So it’s just a matter of how many you’re splitting between Robinson/Johnson/Jackson, and the new guy. Not unreasonable our 10th overall pick has marginally more snaps than Davis did in 2022 if we go edge, unless he comes gangbusters out of the gate.

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

The spark they need

Can they use him out of the pen? 

38 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I was going to post that Reese's are my favorite but that seems like too easy of an answer.  I just really like the gritty PB texture they have.  I know there are better PB cups out there, especially at local candy shops and such but nothing beats a Reese's PB cup that's been in the fridge.

Except maybe a Reese's Big Cup that has been in the fridge.

49 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

He does not strike me as anything like either Martin or Nelson.  I think he's an athletic IOL but he doesnt seem to have the kind of bulldozer power or immovable anchor that those 2 have.  Maybe it's the scheme he was in but all of his ability seems to come down to his ability to athletically get into place quicker than college defensive linemen.  I didn't see him driving people off of the ball.  I don''t see him pancaking defenders in space.  He seems to lack meaness.  Also, he seems to struggle anchoring. He may be a decent OG but I don't think he's going to be a sure thing type player.  I would rather they bet on the better physical speciment and Stoutland's ability to coach them up to develop technique.  

I don’t know if he is or isn’t. I’m just saying they’re analyst they have compared him to being that level of production type of player. I don’t know what he’s gonna be ultimately because I haven’t seen him work with stoutland. He’s worked with the coaches at Northwestern which I can’t believe northwestern are as good at coaching as stoutland is so I’m guessing if he’s already very good he’s likely to improve even more with stoutland

 my point was if you take him and you believe with stoutland’s coaching he can reach that level then it’s worth the shot. Even if he just winds up being a guard if he reaches that level  I could give a crap if he plays Guard or tackle if he’s playing at that level and it’d mean they nailed that pick. 

imo with a pick as high as 10 you take the best player available which likely has the highest ceiling on your draft board. You don’t choose someone at DE cause it’s a more premium position but you don’t really like his potential or grade him as highly then a player at a less premium position (exception i don't take a RB remotely that high in the first round). If they are close or equally graded then i think makes sense to bring in their position value to make the decision. 

11 hours ago, just relax said:

Re: the women's final.

Reese was classless. Mulkey got away with murder. The refs ruined the game. The better team won.

JMHO.

Who are you?!?! STRANGER!

6 hours ago, garingovt2000 said:

Can we switch our attention to something as exciting as Women's College Basketball like Men's Bowling