While we’re talking RBs , two others I like 

Roshon Johnson , he is a power back 

Chris Rodriguez , another guy who runs hard , but a better athlete than Johnson 

you're not arm tackling either guy 

12 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

While we’re talking RBs , two others I like 

Roshon Johnson , he is a power back 

Chris Rodriguez , another guy who runs hard , but a better athlete than Johnson 

you're not arm tackling either guy 

Beast,

What is your assessment of the safety class? I have yet to get a feel for it.

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Beast,

What is your assessment of the safety class? I have yet to get a feel for it.

I think it’s a strong CB class , safety not so much …in an otherwise average draft , you would be hard pressed to find 20 first round picks .

Trey Dean

Antonio Johnson

JL Skinner , 3 safeties I like

 

strength to this draft to me 

IOL

edge

CB

IDL the weakest position 

 

13 hours ago, TEW said:

There’s a lot of value in second and third tier RBs IMO. They don’t make much more than draft picks in the first 3 rounds, your risk is lower because you know they can play in the NFL, and it frees up a pick for a more expensive position.

The risk is the tread on their tires.  Past performance is not a guarantee of future results.

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

I think it’s a strong CB class , safety not so much …in an otherwise average draft , you would be hard pressed to find 20 first round picks .

Trey Dean

Antonio Johnson

JL Skinner , 3 safeties I like

 

strength to this draft to me 

IOL

edge

CB

IDL the weakest position 

 

I see a lot of good role players. There are a bunch of 280 pound DEs who should be excellent interior pass rushers, and also a bunch of 2 gap/NT types.

I like Kancey out of Pitt for the Eagles if we let Hargrave walk. Seems like he’ll be an excellent pass rusher and sort of a poor man’s  Aaron Donald.

Just now, mattwill said:

The risk is the tread on their tires.  Past performance is not a guarantee of future results.

But I don’t think there’s much risk there. Most of the guys aren’t 30 yet. Most haven’t been getting 300+ rushes per season. And you’re only giving them a 1 or 2 year deal.

Certainly your expected value is much higher with a vet than a rookie taken in the 3rd-7th round.

1 hour ago, TEW said:

I expect Broderick to go top 10. After that, the other two probably 10-20.

It certainly could be to our advantage, but I’m not a fan of this OL class. Like I said in a later post, the prospects all seem like niche talents. Usually top 20 OTs have prototypical tools, and first round interior lineman are near unicorn type players.

Just a matter of taste I guess, but most of the guys seem to have too many flaws for my liking.

The one exception to your "unicorn” comment is Mauch from North Dakota State.  We knew he could play both Tackle and Guard but he surprised everyone at the Senior Bowl and showed some serious chops at Center.  His arms are probably too short to be a starting Tackle in the NFL, but he projects well at bot starting Guard snd starting Center and as a spot starter at Tackle.  With all that said, I don’t expect the Eagles to have him on their Board.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

The one exception to your "unicorn” comment is Mauch from North Dakota State.  We knew he could play both Tackle and Guard but he surprised everyone at the Senior Bowl and showed some serious chops at Center.  His arms are probably too short to be a starting Tackle in the NFL, but he projects well at bot starting Guard snd starting Center and as a spot starter at Tackle.  With all that said, I don’t expect the Eagles to have him on their Board.

Why not?

42 minutes ago, TEW said:

I see a lot of good role players. There are a bunch of 280 pound DEs who should be excellent interior pass rushers, and also a bunch of 2 gap/NT types.

I like Kancey out of Pitt for the Eagles if we let Hargrave walk. Seems like he’ll be an excellent pass rusher and sort of a poor man’s  Aaron Donald.

Cancy is a stud . A guy I like who was a combine snub , Karl Brooks  , love his game .

DE

Hall

Adebawore

K White

K Brooks

D Horton

34 de

C wooden 

M Morris

S Matlock

 

DT

Ika

Pickens

Kancy 

Ojomo

Brooks

edge

Sanders

Hall

McGuire

Phelps

Uzomah

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Why not?

They already have Driscoll as their short armed OT.

Just now, mattwill said:

They already have Driscoll as their short armed OT.

But there’s a decent chance we lose Seumalo in free agency. If Mauch is a unicorn interior lineman, I’d bet he absolutely is on our board, especially if we lose Isaac.

22 minutes ago, TEW said:

I see a lot of good role players. There are a bunch of 280 pound DEs who should be excellent interior pass rushers, and also a bunch of 2 gap/NT types.

I like Kancey out of Pitt for the Eagles if we let Hargrave walk. Seems like he’ll be an excellent pass rusher and sort of a poor man’s  Aaron Donald.

Guy definitely plays with a great energy and has an awesome burst and twitch to his game. I am intrigued. 

Calijah Kancey is not Aaron Donald, but if he blows up the combine, picking him at #10 is not crazy.

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

But there’s a decent chance we lose Seumalo in free agency. If Mauch is a unicorn interior lineman, I’d bet he absolutely is on our board, especially if we lose Isaac.

I wonder if you could slide Darnell Wright to RG, maybe it's his best spot in the NFL. Could develop into a Brandon Brooks style of player. Steve Avila, Torrence are the other top tier RG's I like a lot. One of these guys should be there at 30 if you want to go this route. 
Or, if Kelce is back, you may need to stick Jurgens in there. You can't have high picks ride the bench forever. I would think he should be able to play RG, saves us a lot of money and we can use the high draft picks elsewhere. 

 

15 minutes ago, RLC said:

Calijah Kancey is not Aaron Donald, but if he blows up the combine, picking him at #10 is not crazy.

I wish he was a little bigger, but I would think he has the versatility to play up and down the line too. Definitely someone to keep an eye on even as high as 10 like you say. I'd imagine he shows well at the combine. 

36 minutes ago, TEW said:

I see a lot of good role players. There are a bunch of 280 pound DEs who should be excellent interior pass rushers, and also a bunch of 2 gap/NT types.

I like Kancey out of Pitt for the Eagles if we let Hargrave walk. Seems like he’ll be an excellent pass rusher and sort of a poor man’s  Aaron Donald.

Just posted about Kancey earlier this week and would love to have him on the Eagles.  He is violent and disruptive, something the Eagles need more of.  I just don't know where he should be drafted.  His size is the big concern. What are the chances he measures in under 6' at the combine?  He's listed at 6' 280 but we all know how college rosters like to exaggerate.

You know who else played the same style as Kancey?  Bruce Hector.  Hector was quick, violent and played with great leverage at USF.  He's 6-2 296 and didn't amount to anything in the NFL.  I was really excited when the Eagles signed him and thought he could work his way up to a rotational DL.  Was wrong with that one.  Kancey has next level quickness though, especially when it comes to his hands.  

If the Eagles trade down from 10 in to the mid to late teens, Kancey could be a good target.  Kancey with the trade down and Joey Porter at 30 would be nice additions to the defense.  

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

Calijah Kancey is not Aaron Donald, but if he blows up the combine, picking him at #10 is not crazy.

He's not Aaron Donald but he's got serious talent, just packed in to a small size.  You look at guys who we consider shorter, squatty DL/DE and names like Hugh Douglas, Dwight Freeney, Elvis Dumerville, Geno Atkins and  Aaron Donald are ones that come to mind.  All of them are 6-1 and above except Dumerville, who was 5-11 255.  I think there's a chance Kancey comes in at 5-11.  

He's most likely going to be a combine freak and I'm excited to see how he tests.  His strength and quickness should be on full display.  

If Kancey was 6’ 3 he would be first overall pick , that being said , I think he comes in at 5’ 11

Not sure if this was mentioned earlier.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2023/2/17/23604523/eagles-sean-desai-nfl-news-defensive-coordinator-seattle-seahawks-broncos-assistant-temple-dc

 

https://predominantlyorange.com/2023/02/10/in-depth-look-potential-denver-broncos-dc-sean-desai/

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

If Kancey was 6’ 3 he would be first overall pick , that being said , I think he comes in at 5’ 11

Agree.  Let's say he measures in at 5-11 275, do you ask him to try to get up to 285-290 or do you ask him to maybe cut down to 260?  5-11 260 puts him in the Elvis Dumerville range.  Will be one of the more interesting prospects to watch up until the draft for sure.

2 hours ago, Original Sin said:

While we’re talking RBs , two others I like 

Roshon Johnson , he is a power back 

Chris Rodriguez , another guy who runs hard , but a better athlete than Johnson 

you're not arm tackling either guy 

Agree, Rodriquez and Gainwell would be a good combo. Do you know what was behind his suspension and if there are character issues that would keep the Eagles away?

Ringo is going to run a 4.3 which will put him at 10.

10 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

Agree, Rodriquez and Gainwell would be a good combo. Do you know what was behind his suspension and if there are character issues that would keep the Eagles away?

DUI

Let's talk about Dallas Goedert.  No one is denying how good he is.  He's proven to be a top 5-7 TE in the NFL.  However, he gets hurt every year.  He's played in 69 out of 82 games but he's in his prime, just turning 28.  However, when you consider Gronk retired at 32 becuase of injuries, 28 going on 29 during the season doesn't seem all that young.

I'm looking at OTC and if I'm reading it right, there are 2 options for him.  Restructure or post-June 1 trade.

The 1st chart is a restructure and the 2nd is post-June 1 trade.  On the colored part of the graph, the left number is dead cap, the right is cap savings.  The number to the left of the % is his current cap number.  2023 is more than reasonable at $6.6 million cap hit.  

He looks like a prime candidate to restructure as none of his salary is gauranteed and you can nearly cut his cap number in half for 2024-26. 

Now, the other side of that is that there's a tremendous amount of TE talent in the next 2 drafts.  Could Howie potentially trade DG in a draft day trade (marked as a post-June 1) pick up some much needed draft picks and opening up minimal cap this year but $14 million in the following 2 seasons and then draft a stud in this draft?  

RESTRUCTURE

2023 📝	28	$1,080,000	$5,270,732	$250,000		$1,330,000		$6,600,732	2.8%		$0	$200,000
2024	29	$14,000,000	$5,270,732	$250,000		$0		$19,520,732	7.6%		$0	$9,843,750
2025	30	$14,000,000	$5,270,732	$250,000		$0		$19,520,732	6.9%		$0	$8,720,000
2026 📝	31	Void	$3,227,000	Void		Void		$5,811,000	1.9%		$0	($607,500)
2027	32	Void	$2,584,000	Void		Void		$0	--		$0	$0

POST-JUNE 1 TRADE

2023 📝	28	$1,080,000	$5,270,732	$250,000		$1,330,000		$6,600,732	2.8%		$5,270,732	$1,330,000
2024	29	$14,000,000	$5,270,732	$250,000		$0		$19,520,732	7.6%		$5,270,732	$14,250,000
2025	30	$14,000,000	$5,270,732	$250,000		$0		$19,520,732	6.9%		$5,270,732	$14,250,000
2026 📝	31	Void	$3,227,000	Void		Void		$5,811,000	1.9%		$3,227,000	$2,584,000
2027	32	Void	$2,584,000	Void		Void		$0	--		$2,584,000	($2,584,000)

 

Not saying I don't want Goedert on the team at all.  Just looking at production/injuries/return in trade/cap effect.  

Going to back to back super bowls is tough. We're gonna have lane and kelce a year older, probably losing seumalo, losing someone on the D line (Cox and/or hargrave), possibly losing Bradberry or CJGJ. They absolutely have to nail this draft on the defensive side of the ball if they want any chance of success next year.