22 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd love to know anyone in general with his arm length since he's a 1 percentile. Shariff Floyd has really short arms but even his are 31 3/4". That's almost a full inch longer than Kancey. 

To put it in perspective, Kyler Murray has 28 1/2" arms. Kancey has just 2 inches on him. 

Got a decent one, again not as small as Kancey, but….

 

Timmy Jernigan

31 5/8

22 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

DJ and Bucky both said the vibe in the league is he goes top ten. See no reason why those guys should lie about it 

Bc you believe none of what you hear and read in this period

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think Kancey's arm length, while a concern, is being blown way out of proportion.  Most DT that play his style, have shorter arms that any of the OL they go against.  A quick first step and great technique will help him overcome the issue.  He has insanely quick, violent hands.  That's the important part.  He can use that to get his hands on the OL first.  That's more important in the trench battles than anything else. If, Kancey gets his hands on the OL first, or can use his hands to chop the OL, that's the important part.  

A player with lazy technique and long arms and slow hands is going to lose the battle because he can't get his hands on the OL first.  

DeMarcus Ware has 33 1/4" arms.  Donald has 32 5/8" arms so over an 1 1/2" difference here.  Look how quick, violent hands can get a player with reach off of you.  Kancey is going to be a force in the NFL.

 

He'll be a beast as a pass rusher, but he's going to get crushed in the run game.  Especially if he's got a mauler in front of him and the run is coming right at him.  He's going to be a project in terms of bulking him up and hoping he can physically stand his ground against bigger linemen. 

Not sure anyone is going to want a specialist like that in round 1.  I'd be happy rolling the dice on him in round 2 if he lands within striking distance.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

32 teams have 32 different draft boards the odds that one of them had Jermaine Johnson at 9 but another player above him when they drafted is probably pretty good.  

Maybe if he fell just out of the top 10. He went #26. That's a pretty big leap you are making. 

26 minutes ago, just relax said:

Kancey is frequently compared to Donald but the comparison does not, um, hold. Donald's arms are more than two inches longer. He'll be an easy mark for NFL linemen to block. Don't want at all.

If we can come away with Carter and Torrence, I'll be a happy guy.

Gimme Wilson and Wright

13 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean the short arms help him stay low to the ground.  

Not if he has giant legs

 

18 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean the short arms help him stay low to the ground.  

 

Solak was saying he doesn't play low to the ground though.  He stands right up when the ball snaps.  He made a compelling argument for how Klancey plays is not at all going to translate to the NFL given how undersized he is.  

6 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

He'll be a beast as a pass rusher, but he's going to get crushed in the run game.  Especially if he's got a mauler in front of him and the run is coming right at him.  He's going to be a project in terms of bulking him up and hoping he can physically stand his ground against bigger linemen. 

Not sure anyone is going to want a specialist like that in round 1.  I'd be happy rolling the dice on him in round 2 if he lands within striking distance.

The Eagles tend to like to have 3 levels of depth.   Huge need is 3rd string DL, apparently.   Here, people go, why not put a 260 pound DE as a DT in pass rushing situations so everyone can be small.

How about the other direction?   In passing situations,  Kancey is DT,  in rushing situations, he's a DE or edge rusher.  1.58 10 split,   6.82 3 cone.   Solid numbers for DE/edge.   the 10 split is a 9.66 RAS - for a DE.  the 3 cone is a 9.91 for a DE.  And he's heavier than most DEs.  281 is 8.97 RAS as a DE. 

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Nothing really new, but he does believe Carter got a promise from a team in the top 10.

 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I would take Witherspoon at #10 .... and I'm warming up to the idea of Gervon Dexter at #30.  He has just the right mix of leaving guys on the ground, but not leaving them there to die.

I'd rate Dexter just above Mazi Smith for DT.

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Solak was saying he doesn't play low to the ground though.  He stands right up when the ball snaps.  He made a compelling argument for how Klancey plays is not at all going to translate to the NFL given how undersized he is.  

Not sure what the Desai scheme is - but Kancey has to 1-gap… probably rather have LVN due to the versatility (DE/4i).

23 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Got a decent one, again not as small as Kancey, but….

 

Timmy Jernigan

31 5/8

Milton Williams too. And those are way below average and still about an inch more than Kancey. 

2 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

The Eagles tend to like to have 3 levels of depth.   Huge need is 3rd string DL, apparently.   Here, people go, why not put a 260 pound DE as a DT in pass rushing situations so everyone can be small.

How about the other direction?   In passing situations,  Kancey is DT,  in rushing situations, he's a DE or edge rusher.  1.58 10 split,   6.82 3 cone.   Solid numbers for DE/edge.   the 10 split is a 9.66 RAS - for a DE.  the 3 cone is a 9.91 for a DE.  And he's heavier than most DEs.  281 is 8.97 RAS as a DE. 

 

 

I’m liking what I see from Kobie Turner , versatile , up and down the line , athletic and plays STs

day 3 steal

2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Does that mock have the dolphins selecting in the first round at their own pick?

No.  They show the pick as forfeited 

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

 

If Carter doesn’t love playing football, that’s a problem… so his proday is more alarming than the legal stuff in a cynical appraisal. Simmons blew his ACL and also beat a woman on video and still went 19.

No interest in Kancey. He’s gonna get overwhelmed in NFL. 
Think Nolan Smith will be our guy @ 10. Would love Witherspoon (just don’t see it).

At 30 or even with a trade back from 10 I’ve warmed up to Bijan Robinson. If we got 5 really good years out of him he’s worth it IMO. It’s become such a scoring league to beat the best teams you have to put up a big number. 

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Meh. The 7.5 three cone says a lot.  Not impressive push. Plays like a NT burst wise. Not going to muscle IOL in the NFL.  Maybe a seventh round target.  Howie does love Florida players. 

38 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe if he fell just out of the top 10. He went #26. That's a pretty big leap you are making. 

Yes  - I am allowed to do whatever I want on the internet. 

I am just saying that my sense is that DJ's top 50 often mirrors how he thinks teams in the League value players. I am sure some he had information about where teams ranked him. Johnson didn't have a good year.  So maybe DJ and the Jets were wrong.  

38 minutes ago, mattwill said:

No.  They show the pick as forfeited 

Did you trade down to get 31st?

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Yes  - I am allowed to do whatever I want on the internet. 

I am just saying that my sense is that DJ's top 50 often mirrors how he thinks teams in the League value players. I am sure some he had information about where teams ranked him. Johnson didn't have a good year.  So maybe DJ and the Jets were wrong.  

That's kind of subjective, though.  Johnson had 2.5 sacks playing 34% of the Jets defensive snaps.  Travon Walker, who went #1 overall, had 3.5 sacks playing 77% of the Jaguars snaps.

15 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

No interest in Kancey. He’s gonna get overwhelmed in NFL. 
Think Nolan Smith will be our guy @ 10. Would love Witherspoon (just don’t see it).

At 30 or even with a trade back from 10 I’ve warmed up to Bijan Robinson. If we got 5 really good years out of him he’s worth it IMO. It’s become such a scoring league to beat the best teams you have to put up a big number. 

I don't know.  He just seems to know how to get to the ball.  I don't think his ceiling is as high as some people might think here.  He kind of reminds me of Melvin Ingram from a size perspective.  It's possible that his best fit might be as a DE in a 4-3 rather than playing inside where it will be easier for the OL to reach his body and double team him.  

21 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

At 30 or even with a trade back from 10 I’ve warmed up to Bijan Robinson. If we got 5 really good years out of him he’s worth it IMO. It’s become such a scoring league to beat the best teams you have to put up a big number. 

I'm pretty sure the spot for Bijan Robinson would need to be #16.  I could see any of those teams between 17-23 drafting him.  I'd be shocked if he made it past the Bucs at #19, tbh.

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Kancey is frequently compared to Donald but the comparison does not, um, hold. Donald's arms are more than two inches longer. He'll be an easy mark for NFL linemen to block. Don't want at all.

If we can come away with Carter and Torrence, I'll be a happy guy.

Definitely not in the Donald class, I guess some just compared his burst and speed to Donald. I know those t-Rex arms are not a common trait in the league and are a detriment, I just really think his speed and movement skills are going to make him be effective. I'm still a fan but 30 might be a little early due to the measureables. Guess we will see how he pans out, the beauty of the draft.