31 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

How do you have Jackson over Rodgers? Tua is better when he's not concussed

Also Watson is way too low

 

Because I feel like Jackson is better than Rodgers.  Rodgers struggled last year when he didn't have great WRs to throw to.  Jackson has never had great WRs to throw to.

Watson was terrible last year.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Just finished watching a video of Joel Klatt’s draft steals.  He mentioned Kendre Miller, who I think would be a very nice pick at #94.  The guy bounces off tackles with contact balance and he always gets the finishing 1-2 yards at the end of his runs.

He also mentioned Ji’Ayir Brown and Jordan Battle at safety; I like Battle a bit better, but they both look like good mid-round prospects.

@just relax, he added Michigan C Olu Oluwatimi in his analysis.  Remington and Outland Award winner, who Klatt said could be either a C or OG in the NFL.  Wondering if you have an opinion on him.  Dickerson was also a Remington winner, but had a better pedigree at Alabama.  Oluwatimi is also not as big — 6’3, 309 I think — but could be an option for a transition to guard like Dickerson.

Brown is awesome. But his 40 time is inadequate. Im so torn. But I think I still would love to have him.

I think thats the only reason why he can be a "Steal". He should be downgraded due to his 40 time. I think if he had a good workout, he would be a day 2 pick easy.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Because I feel like Jackson is better than Rodgers.  Rodgers struggled last year when he didn't have great WRs to throw to.  Jackson has never had great WRs to throw to.

Watson was terrible last year.

He struggled but still played better than Jackson

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Just finished watching a video of Joel Klatt’s draft steals.  He mentioned Kendre Miller, who I think would be a very nice pick at #94.  The guy bounces off tackles with contact balance and he always gets the finishing 1-2 yards at the end of his runs.

He also mentioned Ji’Ayir Brown and Jordan Battle at safety; I like Battle a bit better, but they both look like good mid-round prospects.

@just relax, he added Michigan C Olu Oluwatimi in his analysis.  Remington and Outland Award winner, who Klatt said could be either a C or OG in the NFL.  Wondering if you have an opinion on him.  Dickerson was also a Remington winner, but had a better pedigree at Alabama.  Oluwatimi is also not as big — 6’3, 309 I think — but could be an option for a transition to guard like Dickerson.

Olu's a nice player with a middling ceiling, I think. I'm not sure he has room to improve. I like Jurgens a lot more, though. And Driscoll's a similar player with more experience and position versatility. We have both those guys so I'd look for something different. I'd prefer them drafting Avila, whom I mentioned above. Also position versatile but more powerful.

10 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Polomolu was great, people. It’s okay to admit it. 

He wasn't HOF great

I just had a thought on Jalen Carter.

He's going to be great if he goes 6th or 10th because he will be part of a winning team with solid coaching that is moving in the right direction. (Detroit or Philly)

If he goes to the Cardinals he will be a flop on a 4-13 team that might be 5-12 next year. Losing is depressing. Losing with softie Gannon 2x worse.

The Raiders might be just as bad unless they solve QB very soon.

The Falcons might be a good spot for him too staying in Georgia and being part of another team on the way up.

Flip a coin for teams in the middle like the Texans or the Seahawks. (The Texans are on the way up but its up from the bottom)

 

1 minute ago, devpool said:

He wasn't HOF great

He was textbook HoF great.

15 playoff games with 3 SBs and 2 rings

4 first team all-pros. 2 second team all-pros

He was a dominant player leading year after year of dominant defenses to playoff wins and titles.

 

There is no point to a HoF if Troy Polamalu does not make the cut.

You'd have zero guys going in most years.

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He struggled but still played better than Jackson

 

I fully disagree.

Lamar: 8-4, 5.2% TD on passes, 2.1 INT on passes, 6.9 YPA, plus 764 rushing yards and 3 rushing TDs.

Rodgers: 8-9, 4.8% TD on passes, 2.2% INT on passes, 6.8 YPA.

Packers were bad in large part last year because Rodgers was tossing some bad interceptions.  Ravens were 8-4 with Lamar last year and 2-4 without him.

12 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I fully disagree.

Lamar: 8-4, 5.2% TD on passes, 2.1 INT on passes, 6.9 YPA, plus 764 rushing yards and 3 rushing TDs.

Rodgers: 8-9, 4.8% TD on passes, 2.2% INT on passes, 6.8 YPA.

Packers were bad in large part last year because Rodgers was tossing some bad interceptions.  Ravens were 8-4 with Lamar last year and 2-4 without him.

Huge disparity in attempted passes between Lamar (326) & ARod (542) so these stats are meaningless

10 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

He was textbook HoF great.

15 playoff games with 3 SBs and 2 rings

4 first team all-pros. 2 second team all-pros

He was a dominant player leading year after year of dominant defenses to playoff wins and titles.

 

There is no point to a HoF if Troy Polamalu does not make the cut.

You'd have zero guys going in most years.

Look at his stats and tell me they're hall of fame worthy. They're not. He didn't force a lot of fumbles, he didn't have a lot of sacks, hell he didn't even have that many TFL. He had some big splashy plays and had crazy hair on a team that had a ton of great talent on defense.

The guy was great, but you can be great without being HOF great. 

15 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I fully disagree.

Lamar: 8-4, 5.2% TD on passes, 2.1 INT on passes, 6.9 YPA, plus 764 rushing yards and 3 rushing TDs.

Rodgers: 8-9, 4.8% TD on passes, 2.2% INT on passes, 6.8 YPA.

Packers were bad in large part last year because Rodgers was tossing some bad interceptions.  Ravens were 8-4 with Lamar last year and 2-4 without him.

Cherry picking stats lol

Rodgers on a bad day smokes Lamar on a good day

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-top-five-players-offense-2023-nfl-draft-sikkema?fbclid=IwAR3BrHJMX6K9Ju-EAL5UGnItPZ3WBV-4X5EzCtGd-r81R26nBs1dimUbfZ0

Has McBride as RB 3
Jaxon Smith-Njigba as WR1
Michael Mayer as TE3
Paris Johnson JR as OT 1

6 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Fine - 5 out of 10 Howies, are you happy? If the Eagles pick 3 defensive players with the first 3 players I would be shocked.  I do like your picks.  

40 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Huge disparity in attempted passes between Lamar (326) & ARod (542) so these stats are meaningless

 

Well Lamar played 5 less games so that'll happen.  With those 5 less games he had the same amount of wins that Rodgers had.

Lamar: 27.2 pass attempts per game: 250.5 total yards per game, 1.7 total TD per game and 0.6 interceptions per game.

Rodgers: 31.9 pass attempts per game, 222.9 total yards per game, 1.6 total TD per game and 0.7 interceptions per game.

I think it’s time people separate the MVP 2019 Lamar Jackson from the present reality of what he is as a player.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Well Lamar played 5 less games so that'll happen.  With those 5 less games he had the same amount of wins that Rodgers had.

Lamar: 27.2 pass attempts per game: 250.5 total yards per game, 1.7 total TD per game and 0.6 interceptions per game.

Rodgers: 31.9 pass attempts per game, 222.9 total yards per game, 1.6 total TD per game and 0.7 interceptions per game.

Lol at using total for yards and TDs

Just now, Alphagrand said:

I think it’s time people separate the MVP 2019 Lamar Jackson from the present reality of what he is as a player.

 

The reality is that he's a consistent winner who has had to do it with the worst offensive talent around him in comparison to other top young QBs in the league.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Lol at using total for yards and TDs

 

Yeah why not?  It's a part of his game.  Trying to discount it is the same stupid crap people tried to do with Hurts and then you all got egg all over your face this past season.  He's a QB and these are the yards he is producing that is contributing to him producing wins.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah why not?  It's a part of his game.  Trying to discount it is the same stupid crap people tried to do with Hurts and then you all got egg all over your face this past season.  He's a QB and these are the yards he is producing that is contributing to him producing wins.

Hurts improved his passing game. Lamar hasn't

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Hurts improved his passing game. Lamar hasn't

 

Lamar isn't a bad passer.  What Lamar does not have the benefit of compared to the other top young QBs are good to great WRs to throw to.  Best WR he ever had in his career was Hollywood Brown who at best is maybe a 30-40 ranked WR.  The only genuinely really good offensive weapon he has ever had is Mark Andrew's and that's it.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Lamar isn't a bad passer.  What Lamar does not have the benefit of compared to the other top young QBs are good to great WRs to throw to.  Best WR he ever had in his career was Hollywood Brown who at best is maybe a 30-40 ranked WR.

So you're saying Hurts would be average or below average if it weren't for Smith and Brown? The huge leap he had was because they added Brown?

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So you're saying Hurts would be average or below average if it weren't for Smith and Brown? The huge leap he had was because they added Brown?

 

I'm saying all the other top young QBs: Hurts, Burrow, Allen and Herbert would not be as productive as passers without the talent they have on offense helping them.

If we're going strictly from a stat perspective then Daniel Jones == Lamar. Also TD % per pass is a really lame stat because it's going to advantage running QBs on average heavily if they don't have many rushing TDs.

27 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The reality is that he's a consistent winner who has had to do it with the worst offensive talent around him in comparison to other top young QBs in the league.

Consistent winner?  How many times has he advanced in the playoffs?