44 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

This year seems like a really weak draft for LBs? Wonder if that alters plans with Edwards.

I have a feeling Howie will bring back both Edwards and Epps because neither will generate a lot of interest on the FA market.  

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I know change of direction isn't everything, though it's something I value highly when looking at prospects, because I think it's a good indicator of athletic ability. Cutting is such a huge part of the game of football. When I watch Charbonnet, his change of direction and the ability to cut is so vastly inferior to other RBs in this class. I can't get over it.

The thing I look at the most for RB is how they change direction. Do they take a couple steps like Sanders and try to juke or do they plant their foot with one step and just go, more like Gainwell.

For the most part Charbonnet does a good job of planting one foot and going, sometimes he does this little hop plant that stops him and then he has to get going again. But I do see some of what Sanders does in Charbonnet, and while I wouldn't mind if the Birds drafted him, he wouldn't be my first choice.

I really like Israel Abanikanda, kid really just plants and goes. Doesn't waste any time moving lateral, he just goes forward. He also has this gear that makes him dangerous to break one open at any time if he can get to the 2nd level.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Our passing game is pretty narrow. We don’t have a third legit pass catcher without him. Usually rookie TEs aren’t very good because they have to learn how to block and to run NFL routes. 

If you traded Goedert for say a 2, you’re turning around and using either that pick or a better pick for a TE you’d be lucky to be as good as Goedert. 

People can talk about the depth of TE class, but how many of those prospects project to be legitimate in-line players? Mayer, Washington (who isn’t the receiver Goedert is) and who else?

Players like Goedert give offenses an advantage because they don’t tip off defenses. They have to honor him as a blocker, but they can’t treat him like a receiver. 

Outside of Kittle, is there a better TE for this offense than Goedert?

Let's say DG would bring back a 2nd and a 4th.  Let's also say the Eagles trade down from 10 to 15-17 and they pick up another 2nd and maybe another 4th.  

Suddenly, you have pick 17, 30, 3 2nd round picks and 2 4th round picks...all while taking $14 million off the 2024-25 salary cap when Hurts extension kicks in and DeVonta Smith is likely getting his $100 million contract. Mailata, Sweat, Dickerson are all looking at extensions during that time too.

2 1st round picks

3 2nd round picks

1 3rd round pick

2 4th round picks

2 7th round picks

Yes, you might be using a draft pick gained by Goedert to find his replacement but maybe you use that extra 2nd on Zay Flowers or having 3 2nd round picks makes it easier to take BPA at 30 rather than thinking you have to go defense...I've seen Jaxon Smith-Njigba mocked to the Eagles at 30.  Can you imagine a 3 wide with Brown, Smith and JSN?  That's a scary WR group and having that 3rd dynamic WR takes away the need to have TE as a focal point. 

But again, I don't want to trade Goedert.  I'm just looking at scenarios.  Looking at potential expednable assets the Eagles have and I think given the available TE both in the draft and FA, and his contract escalatiing after next year, DG has value as a trade chip.

 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Let's say DG would bring back a 2nd and a 4th.  Let's also say the Eagles trade down from 10 to 15-17 and they pick up another 2nd and maybe another 4th.  

Suddenly, you have pick 17, 30, 3 2nd round picks and 2 4th round picks...all while taking $14 million off the 2024-25 salary cap when Hurts extension kicks in and DeVonta Smith is likely getting his $100 million contract. Mailata, Sweat, Dickerson are all looking at extensions during that time too.

2 1st round picks

3 2nd round picks

1 3rd round pick

2 4th round picks

2 7th round picks

Yes, you might be using a draft pick gained by Goedert to find his replacement but maybe you use that extra 2nd on Zay Flowers or having 3 2nd round picks makes it easier to take BPA at 30 rather than thinking you have to go defense...I've seen Jaxon Smith-Njigba mocked to the Eagles at 30.  Can you imagine a 3 wide with Brown, Smith and JSN?  That's a scary WR group and having that 3rd dynamic WR takes away the need to have TE as a focal point. 

But again, I don't want to trade Goedert.  I'm just looking at scenarios.  Looking at potential expednable assets the Eagles have and I think given the available TE both in the draft and FA, and his contract escalatiing after next year, DG has value as a trade chip.

 

Give it a rest.  You’ve been on this ridiculous rant for 3 off-seasons now, and are disingenuous enough to put in every post "I don’t want to trade Goedert”

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Not denying Goedert's importance to the team.  However, in games missed by DG this year, the Eagles averaged 187 ypg.  In games DG played, the Eagles averaged 147 ypg.

Week 11, Indy- 141 yards

Week 12, GB- 363 yards

Week 13, Titans- 67 yards

Week 14, NYG- 253 yards

Week 15, Chicago- 112 yards

I think DG is a great player, but I also think he's a little overrated at the same time. 

Again, I don't want to trade him.  I think he's a possible restructure candidate.  BUT, if they ever wanted to trade him, this draft is the perfect draft to find his replacement.

There is nothing homogeneous about those games.  The factors beyond Goedert are myriad.  Week 12 and Week 13 are perfect examples.  Provide the total Offense numbers for those two games and then provide your analysis of what those numbers mean.

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Give it a rest.  You’ve been on this ridiculous rant for 3 off-seasons now, and are disingenuous enough to put in every post "I don’t want to trade Goedert”

Making an argument for why they should doesn't mean I want them to.  

Also, the only times I've suggested it should be considered was 

-When they still had Ertz and were within striking distance of Kyle Pitts.

-Before Goedert was due a new contract and looking at cap implications.

-Brought it up now after looking at his contract.  Go back and you'll see my first suggestion is to restructure him so they aren't paying him $20 million in 2024-25.

If Goedert is so replaceable via the draft, why wouldn’t other teams just draft Kincaid/Musgrave/Mayer, etc. and save the picks and salary? Being a proven commodity is important.

18 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I have a feeling Howie will bring back both Edwards and Epps because neither will generate a lot of interest on the FA market.  

That would be circumstance where resigning them would be fine.

30 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I know change of direction isn't everything, though it's something I value highly when looking at prospects, because I think it's a good indicator of athletic ability. Cutting is such a huge part of the game of football. When I watch Charbonnet, his change of direction and the ability to cut is so vastly inferior to other RBs in this class. I can't get over it.

It is no secret that Charbonnet is not as athletic as the alternative RBs.  He is a high floor (because of his straight ahead power), low ceiling  player.  That is why RBs that are available later in the Draft with a similar relatively high floor and low ceiling are attractive.

7 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

If Goedert is so replaceable via the draft, why wouldn’t other teams just draft Kincaid/Musgrave/Mayer, etc. and save the picks and salary? Being a proven commodity is important.

Agreed.

I do believe Musgrave will be on the Eagles Board.  He definitely is on mine.

Assuming no trades, I think Porter Jr at 10 and Torrence at 30 would be a great day one. Or Branch at 30, but don't think he'll be there.

41 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 weak backer class , I have 5 in the top 100 , one first rounder , Sanders .

What are your thoughts about Jack Campbell from Iowa?

At a different position, what are your thoughts about Lukas Van Ness the Defensive End also from Iowa?

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Agreed.

I do believe Musgrave will be on the Eagles Board.  He definitely is on mine.

It appears to be a strong TE class, might be an unexpected BPA selection - we aren’t really as 12 heavy as we were with Dougy but the guy would play.

Watching the XFL here and I liked some of the rule changes they had a few years back.  Their replay system seems to work much quicker than the NFL.  I hope the NFL isn't afraid to watch these spring leagues and adopt some things that might work. 

Would much rather see them try to bring more innovation and creativity to make the game better instead of potentially outlawing what the Eagles do on 4th and 1.

15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

It is no secret that Charbonnet is not as athletic as the alternative RBs.  He is a high floor (because of his straight ahead power), low ceiling  player.  That is why RBs that are available later in the Draft with a similar relatively high floor and low ceiling are attractive.

I’m a fan of Charbonnet as he does a lot of things well, but one concern I have in general is that bigger backs tend to do better with a running start - taking most of your handoffs out of the mesh requires quicker acceleration. Now he did get plenty of experience with the mesh at UCLA, but the NFL is a different tempo.

45 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

The thing I look at the most for RB is how they change direction. Do they take a couple steps like Sanders and try to juke or do they plant their foot with one step and just go, more like Gainwell.

For the most part Charbonnet does a good job of planting one foot and going, sometimes he does this little hop plant that stops him and then he has to get going again. But I do see some of what Sanders does in Charbonnet, and while I wouldn't mind if the Birds drafted him, he wouldn't be my first choice.

I really like Israel Abanikanda, kid really just plants and goes. Doesn't waste any time moving lateral, he just goes forward. He also has this gear that makes him dangerous to break one open at any time if he can get to the 2nd level.

I love Israel, one of my favorites. Definitely like him more than Charbonnet too

1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

I love Israel, one of my favorites. Definitely like him more than Charbonnet too

Like how he runs, but he’s also mostly setting up 7yds behind the LOS and coming downhill.

20 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Why not Rex to Philly?

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Like how he runs, but he’s also mostly setting up 9yds behind the LOS and coming downhill.

He seems to be quick enough to fit into our offense. 

23 minutes ago, mattwill said:

What are your thoughts about Jack Campbell from Iowa?

At a different position, what are your thoughts about Lukas Van Ness the Defensive End also from Iowa?

I like Campbell he would be one of my 5 backers in rd 1 , he is old school type 3 down backer 

van ness has big potential , just still raw and needs time , never dropped into coverage , and lots of DCs today expect it . I don’t see him offering much in year one , all my opinions of course .

I think Charbbonet has a beautiful running style , he looks smooth

1 hour ago, wussbasket said:

The thing I look at the most for RB is how they change direction. Do they take a couple steps like Sanders and try to juke or do they plant their foot with one step and just go, more like Gainwell.

For the most part Charbonnet does a good job of planting one foot and going, sometimes he does this little hop plant that stops him and then he has to get going again. But I do see some of what Sanders does in Charbonnet, and while I wouldn't mind if the Birds drafted him, he wouldn't be my first choice.

I really like Israel Abanikanda, kid really just plants and goes. Doesn't waste any time moving lateral, he just goes forward. He also has this gear that makes him dangerous to break one open at any time if he can get to the 2nd level.

Yes! That’s my guy. Admittedly he runs through some wide open, well-defined holes, but he is definitely a see it and hit it RB. He also has enough patience to let the hole develop and enough physicality that he doesn’t fall over on first contact  

I think he’s a pretty ideal fit for our offense. 

 

Flying back from Lake Tahoe, had to fly back to Phoenix first where now I sit in layover.  Was watching a bit of XFL though on my first flight and saw one of the teams try to do the Eagles QB sneak and get stuffed at the goalline. 

 

Suck it Sean Payton and Dean Blandino. 

20 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

He seems to be quick enough to fit into our offense. 

Sure, he seems to be nicely balanced prospect - it’s just something you have project a bit. Overall, we’re typically dealing with tradeoffs - Israel has long legs that help with the top gear, but typically take away from COD (he knows to run N/S).

On 2/14/2023 at 10:12 PM, LeanMeanGM said:

Mills was here 2016, Darby was 2017 

So then he def didn't start as a rookie.