1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Bunch of Bacartys in here…

Who’s looking to fight me?! 

1 hour ago, bitbased said:

I would have to imagine that he's injured 

He is kind of a high-waisted, straight-line looking athlete... but you are behind the eight-ball on the RAS ratings, when don't do many drills and being shorter/lighter than the crowd is the main takeaway statistically.   

Cosell and Fran talked quite positively about Michigan DT Mazi Smith and Tulane LB Dorian Williams.

I hadn’t heard of Williams before tonight so I watched a video on him. He looks small, so I was surprised to see he was 6-1, 228. Maybe he bulked up for the combine. He seems like the kind of player the Colts would take and end up really productive. He’s got 33.5 inch arms, which is nice for a team like us that plays so much zone. He runs a 4.49. I read his draft profile on NFL.com. Looks like a mid-round pick. I’d be happy with that.

I was skeptical about Smith because I’d read about his lack of production as a pass rusher. I figured he was just a run stuffer and not a great fit next to Jordan Davis. Then I watched him. Whoa. He really has great movement skills. Cosell wasn’t lying. He might not have had a lot of sacks, but he definitely affected the passing game. For a 325-pounder, he has great lateral quickness to  work around the OG. He’s not just a bull rusher. The video I watched showed several quick hurries and collapsed pockets helping others get sacks. I’d be happy with him at 30.

55 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Cosell and Fran talked quite positively about Michigan DT Mazi Smith and Tulane LB Dorian Williams.

I hadn’t heard of Williams before tonight so I watched a video on him. He looks small, so I was surprised to see he was 6-1, 228. Maybe he bulked up for the combine. He seems like the kind of player the Colts would take and end up really productive. He’s got 33.5 inch arms, which is nice for a team like us that plays so much zone. He runs a 4.49. I read his draft profile on NFL.com. Looks like a mid-round pick. I’d be happy with that.

I was skeptical about Smith because I’d read about his lack of production as a pass rusher. I figured he was just a run stuffer and not a great fit next to Jordan Davis. Then I watched him. Whoa. He really has great movement skills. Cosell wasn’t lying. He might not have had a lot of sacks, but he definitely affected the passing game. For a 325-pounder, he has great lateral quickness to  work around the OG. He’s not just a bull rusher. The video I watched showed several quick hurries and collapsed pockets helping others get sacks. I’d be happy with him at 30.

How would you compare Bresee and Smth?

59 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Cosell and Fran talked quite positively about Michigan DT Mazi Smith and Tulane LB Dorian Williams.

I hadn’t heard of Williams before tonight so I watched a video on him. He looks small, so I was surprised to see he was 6-1, 228. Maybe he bulked up for the combine. He seems like the kind of player the Colts would take and end up really productive. He’s got 33.5 inch arms, which is nice for a team like us that plays so much zone. He runs a 4.49. I read his draft profile on NFL.com. Looks like a mid-round pick. I’d be happy with that.

I was skeptical about Smith because I’d read about his lack of production as a pass rusher. I figured he was just a run stuffer and not a great fit next to Jordan Davis. Then I watched him. Whoa. He really has great movement skills. Cosell wasn’t lying. He might not have had a lot of sacks, but he definitely affected the passing game. For a 325-pounder, he has great lateral quickness to  work around the OG. He’s not just a bull rusher. The video I watched showed several quick hurries and collapsed pockets helping others get sacks. I’d be happy with him at 30.

He was pretty high on Keeanu Benton too. I believe we will take one of the three. 

3 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

He was pretty high on Keeanu Benton too. I believe we will take one of the three. 

Mazi is talented, but has a motor issue iirc. Dorian Williams is physically ready, but still needs little more time on the instincts front.

Hard to believe the greatest Golf moment was already 4 years ago. 

 

 

On the trend of injured lottery tickets, I wouldn’t mind sending Detroit a 5th round pick next year for Swift if we don’t draft a RB.

3 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

On the trend of injured lottery tickets, I wouldn’t mind sending Detroit a 5th round pick next year for Swift if we don’t draft a RB.

We already have a better lottery ticket at RB. Penny could realistically average 6.5 ypc on volume if he can stay healthy. What we need at RB is to take away question marks. If we are going to take a RB, is one of two things:

1) Typical lead back. 215+ lbs, well rounded, "falls forward”, can catch out of the backfield/pass block, etc. If this is the guy we are looking for I think we can find a solid one in the 4th-6th rounds. Even Bijan isn’t going to add so much over replacement to look at before the 3rd.

2) Dynamic game changer. This is basically just Gibbs, maybe Achane or Mitchell. Elite speed and elusiveness, makes everyone around them better, allows the offense to do dynamic things, pass catching not just out of the backfield but from the slot running WR routes, general home run threat. Gibbs late first or early second, Achane 3rd or 4th, Mitchell late.

I want option two if possible. Other than adding a deep threat at WR along the lines of Randy Moss, Desean Jackson or Tyreek Hill (I don’t see this player), no player has the potential to make the offense significantly better more than Gibbs. A 4.3 forty with elite pass catching could open up the entire offense and make the entire team better.

1 hour ago, TEW said:

We already have a better lottery ticket at RB. Penny could realistically average 6.5 ypc on volume if he can stay healthy. What we need at RB is to take away question marks. If we are going to take a RB, is one of two things:

1) Typical lead back. 215+ lbs, well rounded, "falls forward”, can catch out of the backfield/pass block, etc. If this is the guy we are looking for I think we can find a solid one in the 4th-6th rounds. Even Bijan isn’t going to add so much over replacement to look at before the 3rd.

2) Dynamic game changer. This is basically just Gibbs, maybe Achane or Mitchell. Elite speed and elusiveness, makes everyone around them better, allows the offense to do dynamic things, pass catching not just out of the backfield but from the slot running WR routes, general home run threat. Gibbs late first or early second, Achane 3rd or 4th, Mitchell late.

I want option two if possible. Other than adding a deep threat at WR along the lines of Randy Moss, Desean Jackson or Tyreek Hill (I don’t see this player), no player has the potential to make the offense significantly better more than Gibbs. A 4.3 forty with elite pass catching could open up the entire offense and make the entire team better.

For the Gibbs type - last year James Cook seemed to be in this category … does anyone have an opinion about his performance to set expectations? 

13 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

For the Gibbs type - last year James Cook seemed to be in this category … does anyone have an opinion about his performance to set expectations? 

I think Gibbs is a better runner. I had no real interest in Cook last year. He was pretty much just a receiving back. 

8 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

How would you compare Bresee and Smth?

Bresee is fairly athletic and projects to be a better rusher. It’s easy to write off some of the lack of production because of the ACL, shoulder injury, kidney infection and his sister’s death. It seems like he has some untapped potential and projects to be a good starter. He’d be fine at pick 30. 

I think Smith could be an all-pro type player if he reaches his potential. He’ll benefit from fewer snaps overall, fewer snaps vs tempo and should play at a little less weight. If he puts it all together, I could see a Daron Payne kind of player. I see a lot of people compare him to Dontari Poe and say he’s just a two-down player. I think that’s true early in his career, but his movement skills to me suggest untapped potential as a rusher.

So a lot of it comes down to your appetite for gambling. I like to swing for the fences with DL prospects, Nanking on traits. If neither Smith nor Davis develop as pass rushers, they’re a bit clunky as a starting duo. Bresee fits better as of today. But if Davis and Smith become above average pass rushers, we’d have a monster pairing that could really make a two-high defense work against the run but enough chops to rush against first down passes.

RAS draft… PFN kind of makes it easy.

 

 

39 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

For the Gibbs type - last year James Cook seemed to be in this category … does anyone have an opinion about his performance to set expectations? 

Gibbs is like Cook but with a rocket pack. If Gibbs reaches his ceiling, he’s Austin Ekeler IMO.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

RAS draft… PFN kind of makes it easy.

 

 

Love Henley. I won’t pretend to have studied LBs much, but I thought he was a great prospect for us. Then I saw second-round projections, even some late first, and moved on. 

2 hours ago, TEW said:

We already have a better lottery ticket at RB. Penny could realistically average 6.5 ypc on volume if he can stay healthy. What we need at RB is to take away question marks. If we are going to take a RB, is one of two things:

1) Typical lead back. 215+ lbs, well rounded, "falls forward”, can catch out of the backfield/pass block, etc. If this is the guy we are looking for I think we can find a solid one in the 4th-6th rounds. Even Bijan isn’t going to add so much over replacement to look at before the 3rd.

2) Dynamic game changer. This is basically just Gibbs, maybe Achane or Mitchell. Elite speed and elusiveness, makes everyone around them better, allows the offense to do dynamic things, pass catching not just out of the backfield but from the slot running WR routes, general home run threat. Gibbs late first or early second, Achane 3rd or 4th, Mitchell late.

I want option two if possible. Other than adding a deep threat at WR along the lines of Randy Moss, Desean Jackson or Tyreek Hill (I don’t see this player), no player has the potential to make the offense significantly better more than Gibbs. A 4.3 forty with elite pass catching could open up the entire offense and make the entire team better.

How much would we really use that type of player in the passing game? It sounds great in theory, but we have three guys who already command targets and a QB who runs more than he throws checkdowns. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Love Henley. I won’t pretend to have studied LBs much, but I thought he was a great prospect for us. Then I saw second-round projections, even some late first, and moved on. 

I’m a hold out that thinks Dean would be better positioned at MIKE rather than WIL - so Simpson, Henley, Overshown, Dorian Williams LBs speak to me. 

6 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I’m a hold out that thinks Dean would be better positioned at MIKE rather than WIL - so Simpson, Henley, Overshown, Dorian Williams LBs speak to me. 

Simpson seems too rich for the Eagles’ blood. I suspect round 3 on is where they would start looking at LB. I really wish we had picks in round 4/5. There are going to be nice players available. Maybe not at LB, but TE/RB. 

26 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

RAS draft… PFN kind of makes it easy.

 

 

I would like that very much. 

8 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Mazi is talented, but has a motor issue iirc. Dorian Williams is physically ready, but still needs little more time on the instincts front.

Missed this earlier. I read that earlier in his career he said he had issues with poor eating habits combined with asthma. He played really well against Ohio State, notching a career high 61 snaps. He definitely looked tired at times (too many snaps for a 335-pounder), but he finished the game strong, generating pressure in clear passing downs. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Missed this earlier. I read that earlier in his career he said he had issues with poor eating habits combined with asthma. He played really well against Ohio State, notching a career high 61 snaps. He definitely looked tired at times (too many snaps for a 335-pounder), but he finished the game strong, generating pressure in clear passing downs. 

Good to know - I like reasons rather than excuses (new internet quote I heard yesterday).

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Good to know - I like reasons rather than excuses (new internet quote I heard yesterday).

Hopefully it’s behind him, but who’s to say these issues don’t pop back up once he gets paid? 

25 minutes ago, eaglestime34 said:

I would like that very much. 

TEW should as well - he's consistent with his view of upside over question marks.

46 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How much would we really use that type of player in the passing game? It sounds great in theory, but we have three guys who already command targets and a QB who runs more than he throws checkdowns. 

This is the crux of the Gibbs vs. Charbonnet debate, and to a further extent the appeal of Abanikanda (H/W/S specimen where you aren't bothered by the lack of pass catching experience).

I figure the rebuttal is that drafting Gibbs sets the stage for the next Hurts leap - where he runs less, checks down/distributes more.

44 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

This is the crux of the Gibbs vs. Charbonnet debate, and to a further extent the appeal of Abanikanda (H/W/S specimen where you aren't bothered by the lack of pass catching experience).

I figure the rebuttal is that drafting Gibbs sets the stage for the next Hurts leap - where he runs less, checks down/distributes more.

Charbonnet is very good in the passing game too. He's a complete player.  Just lacks the breakaway speed. But fast enough to pick up big chunks. 

Abanikanda is probably not going to be a successful pro.