Is there potential for Jahmyr Gibbs being capable of lining up in the slot at times sort of how Westbrook would occasionally line up wide and Kamara does at the slot sometimes?  I could see that as another reason to take him, put that 4.3 speed in the slot with his receiving ability at times.  Not sure if he did that all at Alabama though.  

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Is there potential for Jahmyr Gibbs being capable of lining up in the slot at times sort of how Westbrook would occasionally line up wide and Kamara does at the slot sometimes?  I could see that as another reason to take him, put that 4.3 speed in the slot with his receiving ability at times.  Not sure if he did that all at Alabama though.  

That’s a safe assumption.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

How much would we really use that type of player in the passing game? It sounds great in theory, but we have three guys who already command targets and a QB who runs more than he throws checkdowns. 

I think of the potential usage not from a player perspective, but rather from a "target area” perspective.  I would love to see a targets map for each of our receivers last season.  Armed with that I would expect to see target areas that are (relatively) empty when compared to the ones that are filled with targets to Smith, Brown, and Joe Dirt. Swing passes to the weak side.  Double screens where the TE goes to one side and the RB goes to the other side, giving Hurts the option of throwing to the more developed side.  RPOs with two RBs in the backfield and Hurts having the big RB as the inside run option, or pulling the ball back and either passing downfield or running himself, gets a fourth option of Gibbs in motion several yards ahead of Hurts who has that additional outlet if the D blocks his running lane.  The possibilities are numerous and Siri and his staff have shown that they are more than capable of "expanding the targets map.”

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I think of the potential usage not from a player perspective, but rather from a "target area” perspective.  I would love to see a targets map for each of our receivers last season.  Armed with that I would expect to see target areas that are (relatively) empty when compared to the ones that are filled with targets to Smith, Brown, and Joe Dirt. Swing passes to the weak side.  Double screens where the TE goes to one side and the RB goes to the other side, giving Hurts the option of throwing to the more developed side.  RPOs with two RBs in the backfield and Hurts having the big RB as the inside run option, or pulling the ball back and either passing downfield or running himself, gets a fourth option of Gibbs in motion several yards ahead of Hurts who has that additional outlet if the D blocks his running lane.  The possibilities are numerous and Siri and his staff have shown that they are more than capable of "expanding the targets map.”

Hurts doesnt get to 4th options

45 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Charbonnet is very good in the passing game too. He's a complete player.  Just lacks the breakaway speed. But fast enough to pick up big chunks. 

Abanikanda is probably not going to be a successful pro. 

Charbonnet reminds me of Demarco Murray. The good version. 

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

This is the crux of the Gibbs vs. Charbonnet debate, and to a further extent the appeal of Abanikanda (H/W/S specimen where you aren't bothered by the lack of pass catching experience).

I figure the rebuttal is that drafting Gibbs sets the stage for the next Hurts leap - where he runs less, checks down/distributes more.

That is indeed the rebuttal.  The idea of reducing Hurts’ injury risk is massively compelling.

29 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Hurts doesnt get to 4th options

In the current scheme there aren’t fourth options designed into RPO plays.  
 

Further, I don’t think of this as a fourth option as much as an extended option.

33 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Hurts doesnt get to 4th options

There isn’t a 4th option worth getting to

34 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Charbonnet reminds me of Demarco Murray. The good version. 

I made the same comparison, but I'm not as high on him as others. Runs upright and lacks explosiveness IMO. But he seems like a lead back type, not a complimentary back. I love Spears because I think he's explosive and can be used in a way the Eagles love to use their backs. Sharing carries, as a receiver, and as a guy who can get chunk plays.

20 minutes ago, mattwill said:

That is indeed the rebuttal.  The idea of reducing Hurts’ injury risk is massively compelling.

I believe a better RB can do that in different ways - Charbonnet may not be a HR threat, but like HE said he is very well rounded. He can reliably handle a dump off, pass protect or take a straight handoff for consistent production… lightening the load on Hurts.

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Is there potential for Jahmyr Gibbs being capable of lining up in the slot at times sort of how Westbrook would occasionally line up wide and Kamara does at the slot sometimes?  I could see that as another reason to take him, put that 4.3 speed in the slot with his receiving ability at times.  Not sure if he did that all at Alabama though.  

Yes. But that’s two backs in the stable cut from the same cloth. 

So many good RB's in this draft. Bijan is in his own universe and Gibbs is in his own tier as well. After that there are so many guys who you could argue in a similar tier and it just comes down to team preference and style. If the Eagles get some picks in the 4th-6th round I could see them getting a decent prospect in that range.

How would everyone rate the following players FOR THE EAGLES:

Charbonnet, Achane, Spears, Bigsby, McBride, Tucker, Evans, Miller, Johnson, Z. Evans

6 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Yes. But that’s two backs in the stable cut from the same cloth. 

If you mean for the Eagles, they don't have anybody like Gibbs at all. Size wise, yes. Gibbs is an absolutely dynamic weapon though which is something the Eagles backs are not.

40 minutes ago, mattwill said:

In the current scheme there aren’t fourth options designed into RPO plays.  
 

Further, I don’t think of this as a fourth option as much as an extended option.

I’d really like someone to do a deep dive into our per play success with RPO versus running a more traditional offense and letting Hurts deal from the pocket.

I feel that Hurts is a better passer when he sits in the pocket AND a better runner…he’ll eat up a wide open middle of the field when defenses are on their heels with the pass.

I also think we have a punishing downhill OL that is more effective on routine running plays than when it loses its first step on RPO running plays.

It just feels that those plays put a hitch in the offense more than anything else.  I wonder if Hurts is ready to evolve beyond them.

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’d really like someone to do a deep dive into our per play success with RPO versus running a more traditional offense and letting Hurts deal from the pocket.

I feel that Hurts is a better passer when he sits in the pocket AND a better runner…he’ll eat up a wide open middle of the field when defenses are on their heels with the pass.

I also think we have a punishing downhill OL that is more effective on routine running plays than when it loses its first step on RPO running plays.

It just feels that those plays put a hitch in the offense more than anything else.  I wonder if Hurts is ready to evolve beyond them.

RPO’s keep the defend honest. No more obvious than the first Cowboys game when Micah looked like a deer in headlights. This further allows Jalen to sit back in the pocket and be effective when playing a more traditional dropback

We need to run a certain amount of them in the game and at random circumstances to force the defense to accept it could come at any time at any down and distance. That is when Jalen has his truest advantage when dropping back

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

In the current scheme there aren’t fourth options designed into RPO plays.  
 

Further, I don’t think of this as a fourth option as much as an extended option.

Hurts was 1 or 2 reads at most in the beginning of the season...he progressed a lot over the course of the year.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately, and I think The problem with Lamar Jackson is 66m$. This is the amount of cash difference paid to Josh Allen so far on his second contract than to Lamar while at the end of his rookie deal the last 2 years, despite being taken in the same draft class. LJ could have had that money, his first 3 years look better with the MVP award; but Lamar will never make up this difference now. He may sign a deal this offseason that gives him a large signing bonus and close the gap, but Josh will always be 2 years closer to his next signing bonus than Lamar.

It is not about maximizing his money, he’s left that marina already. This is now Lamar on a mission to prove a point: by not signing an agent, he can do better for himself than any player has done before.

An MVP winning QB shouldn’t be worried about losing any money in his very first post-rookie contract. Those nearly always play out well for the player. So it doesn’t even matter if the full thing is guaranteed or not, it effectively will be as he’ll see nearly every cent anyway. It’s only about the perception of what he’s doing and how he did it that matters. This is his moment, he’ll never be more famous than right now in this instant.

Because of this, I believe he won’t give in. He won’t take a normal QB contract and basically admit he was wrong. He’ll have to play on the franchise tag, or Baltimore will negotiate a very short term deal so Lamar can try again in 2024/2025.

Someone on Rich Eisen as a guest brought up the possibility he never plays in the NFL again by his own choice. Sounds crazy, but we already know his ego is willing to go this far, so who knows

52 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Yes. But that’s two backs in the stable cut from the same cloth. 

Who is the second?

8 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Hurts was 1 or 2 reads at most in the beginning of the season...he progressed a lot over the course of the year.

Agreed

40 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’d really like someone to do a deep dive into our per play success with RPO versus running a more traditional offense and letting Hurts deal from the pocket.

I feel that Hurts is a better passer when he sits in the pocket AND a better runner…he’ll eat up a wide open middle of the field when defenses are on their heels with the pass.

I also think we have a punishing downhill OL that is more effective on routine running plays than when it loses its first step on RPO running plays.

It just feels that those plays put a hitch in the offense more than anything else.  I wonder if Hurts is ready to evolve beyond them.

I don’t think it is either/or, but rather both/and.

55 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

So many good RB's in this draft. Bijan is in his own universe and Gibbs is in his own tier as well. After that there are so many guys who you could argue in a similar tier and it just comes down to team preference and style. If the Eagles get some picks in the 4th-6th round I could see them getting a decent prospect in that range.

How would everyone rate the following players FOR THE EAGLES:

Charbonnet, Achane, Spears, Bigsby, McBride, Tucker, Evans, Miller, Johnson, Z. Evans

Miller, Spears, McBride … then the others

12 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I don’t think it is either/or, but rather both/and.

Nothing wrong with running it, but I don’t think it should be the backbone of the offense.

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

There isn’t a 4th option worth getting to

I agree with you for 2022,  but for 2023 I expect Calcaterra and Gainwell to be much better options than they were in 2022.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Nothing wrong with running it, but I don’t think it should be the backbone of the offense.

Agreed 100%

1 hour ago, Allhaildawk said:

Yes. But that’s two backs in the stable cut from the same cloth. 

 

Gainwell?  He's much faster than Gainwell plus Gainwell is a FA in 2 seasons.  You take Gibbs at 30 and you have him for 5 years.