34 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I agree with you for 2022,  but for 2023 I expect Calcaterra and Gainwell to be much better options than they were in 2022.

I’ll bite on Calcaterra given it’s year 2 but Gainwell has had 2 seasons to prove he can be that guy. I suspect we draft a RB and he again is limited in his opportunities to make that impact.

For those who want Jalen Carter, you should be rooting for the Cardinals to trade down. In the top 10, I think the biggest threat to take Carter is Seattle, they usually don't care about character issues. If Arizona trades out, Will Anderson will be there at 5 for them and they'll take Anderson. That could be the domino that causes Carter to slip to 10.

42 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Gainwell?  He's much faster than Gainwell plus Gainwell is a FA in 2 seasons.  You take Gibbs at 30 and you have him for 5 years.

Gainwell is kind of a "power back" stuck in a scat back's body. He's actually at his best running between the tackles and getting tough yards. So is Scott for that matter. Gibbs is such a more dynamic player than those two, it's not even comparable. Gibbs would bring a Kamara type dynamic to this offense.

6 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

For the Gibbs type - last year James Cook seemed to be in this category … does anyone have an opinion about his performance to set expectations? 

I didn’t get to see the Bills play much, but he averaged 5.7 YPC and had 25 first downs on 89 rushing attempts for 507 total rushing yards. As a receiver, he caught 21/31 passes for 180 yards.

I think Gibbs is a rich man‘s version of Cook. He’s better between the tackles, faster, quicker, has better balance, and is a better receiver.

I also think Gibbs is much more prepared to contribute early. Cook only started 6 games at UGA. Gibbs was the focal point of the offense at both Georgia Tech and then at Alabama. For comparison, in Cook’s first 3 seasons at UGA, he had 41, 31 and 45 rushing attempts. Gibbs had 89, 143, and 151. Even as a senior, Cook only had 113 attempts.

A lot comes down to how much we would be willing to use Gibbs. With Penny healthy and Gainwell looking for more touches, maybe we do get similar production as a rookie simply because there’s not enough snaps to go around.

Me, personally, if I take Gibbs it’s because I think we can do some special things with his skill set. He would get a lot of snaps and I would move him around as a dynamic chess piece to create mismatches.

3 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Is there potential for Jahmyr Gibbs being capable of lining up in the slot at times sort of how Westbrook would occasionally line up wide and Kamara does at the slot sometimes?  I could see that as another reason to take him, put that 4.3 speed in the slot with his receiving ability at times.  Not sure if he did that all at Alabama though.  

Not only is there the potential, but it is THE reason to take him. He’s incredibly smooth as a pass catcher.

Now, consider that Gibbs has 4.3 speed, compared to 4.56 for Kamara and 4.57 for Westbrook.

Potentially, Gibbs is a flat out deep threat when playing in the slot.

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

I didn’t get to see the Bills play much, but he averaged 5.7 YPC and had 25 first downs on 89 rushing attempts for 507 total rushing yards. As a receiver, he caught 21/31 passes for 180 yards.

I think Gibbs is a rich man‘s version of Cook. He’s better between the tackles, faster, quicker, has better balance, and is a better receiver.

I also think Gibbs is much more prepared to contribute early. Cook only started 6 games at UGA. Gibbs was the focal point of the offense at both Georgia Tech and then at Alabama. For comparison, in Cook’s first 3 seasons at UGA, he had 41, 31 and 45 rushing attempts. Gibbs had 89, 143, and 151. Even as a senior, Cook only had 113 attempts.

A lot comes down to how much we would be willing to use Gibbs. With Penny healthy and Gainwell looking for more touches, maybe we do get similar production as a rookie simply because there’s not enough snaps to go around.

Me, personally, if I take Gibbs it’s because I think we can do some special things with his skill set. He would get a lot of snaps and I would move him around as a dynamic chess piece to create mismatches.

I like Gibbs more than a lot of people but I wouldn't take him at 30. If they traded down into the early 40's I would most definitely consider depending on who else is there at DB, DL, etc. I think Gibbs would be more of a luxury than a need and while I like him I don't think his value would be so incredible at 30 that you have to take him. With this OL and the threat of Hurts running average RB's can look good and good RB's can look great. Miles Sanders looked borderline elite last year and Carolina will find out he is nowhere near an elite RB. If they draft someone like McBride, Tucker, Bigsby, etc in the 3rd-5th round area and put them in the mix with Penny, Gainwell, and Scott they will be just fine at RB. If they want a dynamic weapon type like Gibbs they should be able to get Spears much later than him.

16 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

For those who want Jalen Carter, you should be rooting for the Cardinals to trade down. In the top 10, I think the biggest threat to take Carter is Seattle, they usually don't care about character issues. If Arizona trades out, Will Anderson will be there at 5 for them and they'll take Anderson. That could be the domino that causes Carter to slip to 10.

IMO  the lions or bears would be in on him too

Just now, vaeagle2 said:

IMO  the lions or bears would be in on him too

He's not making it to the Eagles. 

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

I like Gibbs more than a lot of people but I wouldn't take him at 30. If they traded down into the early 40's I would most definitely consider depending on who else is there at DB, DL, etc. I think Gibbs would be more of a luxury than a need and while I like him I don't think his value would be so incredible at 30 that you have to take him. With this OL and the threat of Hurts running average RB's can look good and good RB's can look great. Miles Sanders looked borderline elite last year and Carolina will find out he is nowhere near an elite RB. If they draft someone like McBride, Tucker, Bigsby, etc in the 3rd-5th round area and put them in the mix with Penny, Gainwell, and Scott they will be just fine at RB. If they want a dynamic weapon type like Gibbs they should be able to get Spears much later than him.

This is the reason I’m so fixated on Gibbs. We don’t need a special running back to have a special run game.

The argument for Gibbs is that his skill set could make our passing game special. With the pressure that Brown, Smith and Goedert put on intermediate routes, the only real way to have our passing game make the next leap is to get a dynamic deep threat in the slot or a Marshall Faulk type of threat at RB.

Gibbs has the potential to be that Faulk type of player who turns the offense into a greatest show on turf type of unit. Heck, he might even be able to do the first part as well.

If we aren’t getting that type of dynamism, I don’t see any reason to take a RB in the top 100 picks. The improvement over replacement just isn’t there IMO.

3 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

IMO  the lions or bears would be in on him too

Both possible, but I think Seattle is the biggest threat. If they don't take him, I think there's a solid chance he makes it to 10. Or in the range Howie can move up, which I think he'd definitely do if it's only a couple spots.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

This is the reason I’m so fixated on Gibbs. We don’t need a special running back to have a special run game.

The argument for Gibbs is that his skill set could make our passing game special. With the pressure that Brown, Smith and Goedert put on intermediate routes, the only real way to have our passing game make the next leap is to get a dynamic deep threat in the slot or a Marshall Faulk type of threat at RB.

Gibbs has the potential to be that Faulk type of player who turns the offense into a greatest show on turf type of unit. Heck, he might even be able to do the first part as well.

If we aren’t getting that type of dynamism, I don’t see any reason to take a RB in the top 100 picks. The improvement over replacement just isn’t there IMO.

I'm with you on Gibbs. I just wouldn't take him at 30. I really prefer to trade down from 30 and get some pick/s back in the 3rd-6th round area. I also think if they stay at 30 there is going to be some really good DL/OL/CB prospects which I personally would prioritize. Gibbs would certainly add something totally different to this offense though and if they took him at 30 I wouldn't be even remotely upset.

5 hours ago, ManuManu said:

How much would we really use that type of player in the passing game? It sounds great in theory, but we have three guys who already command targets and a QB who runs more than he throws checkdowns. 

That’s the question, isn’t it?

Me, personally, if I’m paying Hurts $50M a year then I want him throwing more and running less. And I probably want to give him some outlets to keep him healthy.

But who knows what the eagles think. It’s just for me, I’d be expanding the offense and looking to get more dynamic. I don’t see the crazy deep threat who can do for this team what Moss did for the Vikings or Jackson did for us 10 years ago.

Gibbs should be able to do for us what Westbrook did. But with much more talent around him. I like that potential.

16 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Cosell and Fran talked quite positively about Michigan DT Mazi Smith and Tulane LB Dorian Williams.

I hadn’t heard of Williams before tonight so I watched a video on him. He looks small, so I was surprised to see he was 6-1, 228. Maybe he bulked up for the combine. He seems like the kind of player the Colts would take and end up really productive. He’s got 33.5 inch arms, which is nice for a team like us that plays so much zone. He runs a 4.49. I read his draft profile on NFL.com. Looks like a mid-round pick. I’d be happy with that.

I was skeptical about Smith because I’d read about his lack of production as a pass rusher. I figured he was just a run stuffer and not a great fit next to Jordan Davis. Then I watched him. Whoa. He really has great movement skills. Cosell wasn’t lying. He might not have had a lot of sacks, but he definitely affected the passing game. For a 325-pounder, he has great lateral quickness to  work around the OG. He’s not just a bull rusher. The video I watched showed several quick hurries and collapsed pockets helping others get sacks. I’d be happy with him at 30.

Agree completely about Mazi Smith.

Michigan plays a lot of light box with two DTs and two stand-up DEs, much as Desai is expected to do assuming he implements Fangio's defense. When you defend with that alignment it puts tremendous strain on the two DTs, as they have to clog the inside run game almost by themselves. They're never going to get great stats but if they can neutralize the offense's three interior linemen, they've done their job. One of them gets singled up against the pass when the other is double-teamed. If you can find a DT who can handle the 2-gap responsibilities and win his share of penetration opportunities against the pass, you've got a very valuable player. Mazi can do that, which is why I have plugged him for a while.

4 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Hurts The QB doesnt get to 4th options

FYP. There is no fourth option in an RPO. The decision has to be made quickly or you have O linemen downfield. 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

That’s the question, isn’t it?

Me, personally, if I’m paying Hurts $50M a year then I want him throwing more and running less. And I probably want to give him some outlets to keep him healthy.

But who knows what the eagles think. It’s just for me, I’d be expanding the offense and looking to get more dynamic. I don’t see the crazy deep threat who can do for this team what Moss did for the Vikings or Jackson did for us 10 years ago.

Gibbs should be able to do for us what Westbrook did. But with much more talent around him. I like that potential.

Those Two WRs are generational deep threats, Moss is probably the greatest Deep threat the leagues ever seen and Desean has the most 40+ catches, so yeah you don't see that crazy deep threat in this team because those guys are extremely rare.

Quez is a good deep threat, he can take the top off a defense threaten the deep third and force defenses to stay honest, he had a down year i think too many are too quick to give up on him and i think he bounces back thid year and makes some big plays.

I think where they might look at WR is a bigger guy the the " enforcer" role.

JJAW☹️ played it Siris first year, last year it was Paschal, those guys can be found 3rd day.

Maybe even a guy like Calcaterra could play that role🤷‍♂️

30 minutes ago, just relax said:

FYP. There is no fourth option in an RPO. The decision has to be made quickly or you have O linemen downfield. 

Yup it's hand off hit the slant/ out or run.

17 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Cosell and Fran talked quite positively about Michigan DT Mazi Smith and Tulane LB Dorian Williams.

I hadn’t heard of Williams before tonight so I watched a video on him. He looks small, so I was surprised to see he was 6-1, 228. Maybe he bulked up for the combine. He seems like the kind of player the Colts would take and end up really productive. He’s got 33.5 inch arms, which is nice for a team like us that plays so much zone. He runs a 4.49. I read his draft profile on NFL.com. Looks like a mid-round pick. I’d be happy with that.

I was skeptical about Smith because I’d read about his lack of production as a pass rusher. I figured he was just a run stuffer and not a great fit next to Jordan Davis. Then I watched him. Whoa. He really has great movement skills. Cosell wasn’t lying. He might not have had a lot of sacks, but he definitely affected the passing game. For a 325-pounder, he has great lateral quickness to  work around the OG. He’s not just a bull rusher. The video I watched showed several quick hurries and collapsed pockets helping others get sacks. I’d be happy with him at 30.

For me, Smith is a player who will go a lot higher than most draft analysts think. Same thing happens every year as teams aren't so keyed in on flash players and will go for need.  Not saying top 10, but a lot higher than anticipated.

1 hour ago, TEW said:

That’s the question, isn’t it?

Me, personally, if I’m paying Hurts $50M a year then I want him throwing more and running less. And I probably want to give him some outlets to keep him healthy.

But who knows what the eagles think. It’s just for me, I’d be expanding the offense and looking to get more dynamic. I don’t see the crazy deep threat who can do for this team what Moss did for the Vikings or Jackson did for us 10 years ago.

Gibbs should be able to do for us what Westbrook did. But with much more talent around him. I like that potential.

If you want Gibbs, the RB at 30, just say it. No need to pretend hes going to be the new deep threat. Hes a RB who can catch passes. 

If you want a deep threat at 30, draft an actual WR- Hyatt and Mims will both likely be there and are actually WRs that are fantastic deep threats.

2 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

I’ll bite on Calcaterra given it’s year 2 but Gainwell has had 2 seasons to prove he can be that guy. I suspect we draft a RB and he again is limited in his opportunities to make that impact.

I agree with both your points.  With respect to Gainwell there are four factors that have been at play so far. The first and probably most important was/is the solid performance by Sanders.  Second is pass protection and blitz pickup proficiency. Third is where Hurts was in his development as a QB capable of using an RB receiver.  And fourth was the presence of the Big Three.

Sanders is gone.  The pass protection proficiency appeared to be there in the Playoffs.  Hurts has progressed.  All of those developments show a possibility that we may see more from Gainwell. Time will tell.

Cap wise, drafting another TE highly makes a lot of sense with that QB contract on the horizon.  They are going to need to save money somewhere and I don't see Stoll or Calcaterra are going to the next DG.

I also don't see a QB being drafted either.  A UDFA?  Yep

We were ahead of the curve on butler 

 

2 hours ago, TEW said:

This is the reason I’m so fixated on Gibbs. We don’t need a special running back to have a special run game.

The argument for Gibbs is that his skill set could make our passing game special. With the pressure that Brown, Smith and Goedert put on intermediate routes, the only real way to have our passing game make the next leap is to get a dynamic deep threat in the slot or a Marshall Faulk type of threat at RB.

Gibbs has the potential to be that Faulk type of player who turns the offense into a greatest show on turf type of unit. Heck, he might even be able to do the first part as well.

If we aren’t getting that type of dynamism, I don’t see any reason to take a RB in the top 100 picks. The improvement over replacement just isn’t there IMO.

the Eagles have a lot of really good players on offense and defense.  Many or most here want to draft backups for the stars,  so that there isn't a falloff in 2 or 3 years.

the Eagles don't really have a top of the line speed demon on offense.  Quez Watkins isn't great.  drafting a fast rb who can take snaps from Quez and who can also run the ball seems like an upgrade.    Gibbs, Achane and Mitchell are all fairly similar and could all in theory play that role. 

I also like Roschon Johnson.  There are other rbs fairly similar to him.  Not blazing speed but not too small to run between the tackles.  The Eagles have those players now though.   They pretty much just switched Sanders out and Penny in.   

the Eagles almost won the Super Bowl and they're bringing back most of the offense. They upgraded at backup QB.  There really aren't needs.   There are luxury players who could play as soon as 2023.  And there are backups at necessary positions who would be needed in 2025. Why not add superfast guy who can do running back who also has the speed for slot?

6 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Is there potential for Jahmyr Gibbs being capable of lining up in the slot at times sort of how Westbrook would occasionally line up wide and Kamara does at the slot sometimes?  I could see that as another reason to take him, put that 4.3 speed in the slot with his receiving ability at times.  Not sure if he did that all at Alabama though.  

100% will happen. He‘s made to cross the field at great speed, almost looks like a (skinny) TE at times. 

Goedert + Gibbs inside while rocking Brown and Smith outside.. lethal.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

If you want Gibbs, the RB at 30, just say it. No need to pretend hes going to be the new deep threat. Hes a RB who can catch passes. 

If you want a deep threat at 30, draft an actual WR- Hyatt and Mims will both likely be there and are actually WRs that are fantastic deep threats.

I want Gibbs in round two. Bijan Robinson won‘t go early first and usually one RB gets picked early and then it takes a while.

His excellent Hands might get him picked early in the second but don‘t be surprised if he hangs around longer than most expect.. he is a RB and not big either.

2 hours ago, just relax said:

FYP. There is no fourth option in an RPO. The decision has to be made quickly or you have O linemen downfield. 

Do we run only rpo?