58 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If he gets taken at 10 the plan would be to put him at RG immediately. 

I don't agree. Right now we do not have a quality backup at either tackle position. Driscoll will do in a pinch but he's limited, although he's fine at RG if Jurgens gets hurt. If we draft either Jones or Johnson I think the plan will be to coach them at tackle, ideally on both sides but that may be problematic. 

We run a lot of outside zone and for that we need guys who can pull. Kelce, obviously, is the key, but Jurgens is exceptional on pulls as well. Another trick Stoutland employed was to pull Seumalo from RG to block on the outside left side. I expect Jurgens can do this, having been worked at RG in our system. I'm not so sure about any of the tackles in the draft. Mauch, maybe, but no one else. Plus, I don't think of Mauch as a tackle at the pro level.

My short answer is Jones or Johnson, tackle only. JMHO.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Van Ness over Wilson, saying the Eagles should take Porter JR at 10 under that scenario, claiming three corners might go in the top 10 earlier in the mock, etc etc. Just listen to the POD too. It's obvious that Caplan is just making crap up at this point and Mosher said multiple times "I need to do more research" which is laughable since it's his job and the draft is 3 weeks away. About the only thing Mosher added was that he has talked to some people who aren't that high on Gonzalez.

Okay.  Thanks.  I didn’t realize you meant that far down in the picks.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I’d be happy to have either corner. I’d prefer a trade down if they aren’t there. I’m not a huge fan of anyone else and Carter scares me. 

That sums up my feelings perfectly. If both are there as well as one of the QBs I’d be looking to dangle the pick in front of Tennessee so they can get their QB. 

After Tennessee takes QB4, with both CBs still available, you talk to the Texans about their interest in drafting Murphy.

If the Texans trade pans out, since the Jets aren’t interested in a CB, both the CBs should still be available after they pick.

32 minutes ago, just relax said:

I don't agree. Right now we do not have a quality backup at either tackle position. Driscoll will do in a pinch but he's limited, although he's fine at RG if Jurgens gets hurt. If we draft either Jones or Johnson I think the plan will be to coach them at tackle, ideally on both sides but that may be problematic. 

We run a lot of outside zone and for that we need guys who can pull. Kelce, obviously, is the key, but Jurgens is exceptional on pulls as well. Another trick Stoutland employed was to pull Seumalo from RG to block on the outside left side. I expect Jurgens can do this, having been worked at RG in our system. I'm not so sure about any of the tackles in the draft. Mauch, maybe, but no one else. Plus, I don't think of Mauch as a tackle at the pro level.

My short answer is Jones or Johnson, tackle only. JMHO.

Just pointing out Paris johnson started 13 games at RG in 2021 and played 5 games as a freshman at guard. I think some of the appeal for Johnson besides his physical traits is that he’s shown at Ohio State to be able to play tackle and guard. The Eagles like players who have position versatility so can play multiple positions. Honestly dillard when he first came into the league and couldn’t. Took him 3 years to learn to play some guard. I think that the eagles if they go oline that they want someone that’s not just pegged at one spot on the oline so they can get more value out of him especially with mailata and lane here for at least 2 years or more.

If Johnson gets drafted, I still think jurgens is going to get the first shot at RG. If struggles or gets hurt now you have two guys in a competition in Johnson and Driscoll that have shown they can move and play at guard. I agree with you that ultimately that pic is made to eventually be a tackle that replaces Lane Johnson.

I just don’t think it’s out of the question that they are cross training him and plug him into guard if they select him especially with not knowing what Jurgens can do at right guard for the entire season or if he’ll pan out at guard.

also somewhat on topic, Duffy has heard from some scouts around the league that skoronski can play guard and tackle but some also view him as potential to be a center. 

25 minutes ago, just relax said:

I don't agree. Right now we do not have a quality backup at either tackle position. Driscoll will do in a pinch but he's limited, although he's fine at RG if Jurgens gets hurt. If we draft either Jones or Johnson I think the plan will be to coach them at tackle, ideally on both sides but that may be problematic. 

We run a lot of outside zone and for that we need guys who can pull. Kelce, obviously, is the key, but Jurgens is exceptional on pulls as well. Another trick Stoutland employed was to pull Seumalo from RG to block on the outside left side. I expect Jurgens can do this, having been worked at RG in our system. I'm not so sure about any of the tackles in the draft. Mauch, maybe, but no one else. Plus, I don't think of Mauch as a tackle at the pro level.

My short answer is Jones or Johnson, tackle only. JMHO.

Schematics aside, I can’t imagine a player (at any position) being taken at 10 just so they can be a backup for 2-3 seasons. The play would have to be to plug them into RG immediately. At the very least, it’ll be their job to lose. If Lane said he’s 90% sure that he’s only playing 1 more season then OK. 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just pointing out Paris johnson started 13 games at RG in 2021 and played 5 games as a freshman at guard. I think some of the appeal for Johnson besides his physical traits is that he’s shown at Ohio State to be able to play tackle and guard. The Eagles like players who have position versatility so can play multiple positions. Honestly dillard when he first came into the league and couldn’t. Took him 3 years to learn to play some guard. I think that the eagles if they go oline that they want someone that’s not just pegged at one spot on the oline so they can get more value out of him especially with mailata and lane here for at least 2 years or more.

 I still think jurgens is going to get the first shot at RG. If struggles or gets hurt now you have two guys in a competition in Johnson and Driscoll that have shown they can move and play at guard. I agree with you that ultimately that pic is made to eventually be a tackle that replaces Lane Johnson.

I just don’t think it’s out of the question that they are cross training him especially with not knowing what Jurgens can do at right guard for the entire season or if he’ll pan out at guard.

also somewhat on topic, Duffy has heard from some scouts around the league that skoronski can play guard and tackle but some also view him as potential to be a center. 

While everyone likes position versatility, that really should be a distant priority for a top 10 pick.  You want someone that can dominate for you.  Maybe not right away, but someone who can take a position and lock it down.

 

5 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Schematics aside, I can’t imagine a player (at any position) being taken at 10 just so they can be a backup for 2-3 seasons. The play would have to be to plug them into RG immediately. At the very least, it’ll be their job to lose. If Lane said he’s 90% sure that he’s only playing 1 more season then OK. 

It always comes down to money and cap space.  The value of players on rookie deals is that you get players with impact that outpace the cap hit.

If a 3rd round pick takes 3 years to develop and gives you 1 such year, that’s a win.  
 

A top 10 pick that doesn’t contribute until the last year or 2 of the rookie deal wasn’t a good use of a top 10 pick.

This usually isn’t an issue…teams picking top 10 typically have lots of spots open.  The eagles don’t.  So it will be tricky to get value out of the pick so they can play early.

I realize this was a backwards way of arguing to draft for need top 10…which is not something I’d agree with either.  Well, the draft is complicated.

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

While everyone likes position versatility, that really should be a distant priority for a top 10 pick.  You want someone that can dominate for you.  Maybe not right away, but someone who can take a position and lock it down.

 

The pick at 10 is likely your future right tackle one lane Johnson retires. However, the fact that he has positional versatility at 10 allows you to have the chance to start at right guard this year which is pretty big in thi. You have the potential to have your right tackle of the future two or three years down the road but also have a guy who has sold he could start immediately at right guard as he did Ohio State. He did it at a high level.

It’s not that they’re drafting him on positional versatility. You’re drafting him to eventually replace Lane Johnson. I don’t think the plan is put him in bubble wrap for the first two or three years considering the fact you don’t have a definitive starter right guard right now. You’re hoping jurgens can do it. If jurgens gets hurt or fails, then you’re going to Driscoll who doesn’t stay healthy or potentially you can use a guy who’s prove it he’s played well at guard at Ohio State.  the positional versatility allows you to have the potential to have him at RG and contribute immediately and be lane’s long term replacement. That’s super valuable as you have a question mark at RG with jurgens and what’s behind him and solving a long term problem. just also pointing out the Eagles have said many of times, they arent just drafting for this year. They’re drafting for the long term as well as the short term. Short term potential starting RG and long term replaces lane 

Kelce has stayed extremely healthy. But if the worst happens and he gets hurt you’re gonna have to move jurgens to center. At that point you are down to driscoll who again never stays healthy. If I’m picking Johnson, jones or any OL at 10 it’s very much long term replacement for Lane. However I’m not just drafting with the expectations of 2023 and he’s exclusively just waiting for that moment. hence when positional versatility comes in and helps 

let me also just point out hypothetically if the Eagles take Van Ness at 10 there’s a chance he isn’t a major contributor in his rookie season. I don’t think he’s ready to be in that position and he probably won’t be until the end of the year. After Wilson, Anderson, Carter and the 2 QBs there’s a second tier that all might not be super impact their rookie years as it’s a year where pick 10 definitely sees a drop off if that happens. If you took a corner they are backup to slay and bradberry. And slay and bradberry are here at least two years. You take smith or van ness, again both backups. Unless you get Carter/Wilson/anderson or take a safety/LB almost every player is gonna be slotted as a backup role at 10. 

Highly unlikely, Highly highly unlikely especially because the former head coach of the TN Titans was fired partly for the trade of AJ Brown to the Eagles, but... knowing how HB Derrick Henry was upset that AJ Brown left the Titans maybe he would want to join him as an Eagle? 
How wild would it be if GM Howie Roseman traded another 1st round pick to the Titans but this for their RB?

Again very unlikely to occur but that would be wild having HB Henry behind this Oline!

26 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just pointing out Paris johnson started 13 games at RG in 2021 and played 5 games as a freshman at guard. I think some of the appeal for Johnson besides his physical traits is that he’s shown at Ohio State to be able to play tackle and guard. The Eagles like players who have position versatility so can play multiple positions. Honestly dillard when he first came into the league and couldn’t. Took him 3 years to learn to play some guard. I think that the eagles if they go oline that they want someone that’s not just pegged at one spot on the oline so they can get more value out of him especially with mailata and lane here for at least 2 years or more.

 I still think jurgens is going to get the first shot at RG. If struggles or gets hurt now you have two guys in a competition in Johnson and Driscoll that have shown they can move and play at guard. I agree with you that ultimately that pic is made to eventually be a tackle that replaces Lane Johnson.

I just don’t think it’s out of the question that they are cross training him especially with not knowing what Jurgens can do at right guard for the entire season or if he’ll pan out at guard.

also somewhat on topic, Duffy has heard from some scouts around the league that skoronski can play guard and tackle but some also view him as potential to be a center. 

Yes, I agree that Johnson has position versatility and that he has considerable experience at RG. That versatility is always a good thing. OTOH, Ohio runs an inside zone/gap scheme very different from what we run. It's based almost purely on power. My real point, perhaps badly made, is that we do not have a quality OT behind Mailata or Lane. Whoever we draft is, for me, most importantly a better OT than anyone else on the roster beyond those two. Inside, I think we're in an enviable position. 

7 minutes ago, JournalistMic said:

Highly unlikely, Highly highly unlikely especially because the former head coach of the TN Titans was fired partly for the trade of AJ Brown to the Eagles, but... knowing how HB Derrick Henry was upset that AJ Brown left the Titans maybe he would want to join him as an Eagle? 
How wild would it be if GM Howie Roseman traded another 1st round pick to the Titans but this for their RB?

Again very unlikely to occur but that would be wild having HB Henry behind this Oline!

I’d be furious if we traded a first round pick for an old RB who wanted a bunch of money.

9 minutes ago, just relax said:

Yes, I agree that Johnson has position versatility and that he has considerable experience at RG. That versatility is always a good thing. OTOH, Ohio runs an inside zone/gap scheme very different from what we run. It's based almost purely on power. My real point, perhaps badly made, is that we do not have a quality OT behind Mailata or Lane. Whoever we draft is, for me, most importantly a better OT than anyone else on the roster beyond those two. Inside, I think we're in an enviable position. 

Whoever they take at 10 if it’s a OL is going to be a swing tackle with the future being Lane’s long temr replacement. I don’t think they would just not cross train Johnson if they took him especially since he has experience playing guard. I think they make him a Jack of all trades until lane is done. To me, the Eagles have questions about depth at tackle and lane Johnson three out of four years has missed a quarter of the season. Driscoll never stays healthy. And we don’t know what Jurgens to do at guard. We hope he’s capable of replacing seumalo. I think OL if it’s BPA at 10 might ultimately be the pick (assuming no trade out)

Imo in all this has been at pick 10 almost every guy you draft is likely going to be a back up heading into the year unless you somehow get Anderson, Carter or Wilson. I think the rest of the guys you select are heading into the year as backup players as rookies. If you draft one of those two corners you have slay and you have Bradbury. And here for at least 2 more years. So they’re slotted to be the back up corner. Even if you wanted to move them into slot, Maddox is there. If you take van ness or smith, they are also backups. Only positions someone has a chance to start is DT, safety, linebacker and potentially RG if jurgens doesn’t look good in camp or starting the year. i guarantee we aren’t taking a LB or safety. To me I’m taking BPA at 10 (unless an option to trade out) and if Wilson, Anderson, Carter and 2 CBs are all gone then i have to highly consider the possibility OL is the best value at that spot 

39 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It always comes down to money and cap space.  The value of players on rookie deals is that you get players with impact that outpace the cap hit.

If a 3rd round pick takes 3 years to develop and gives you 1 such year, that’s a win.  
 

A top 10 pick that doesn’t contribute until the last year or 2 of the rookie deal wasn’t a good use of a top 10 pick.

This usually isn’t an issue…teams picking top 10 typically have lots of spots open.  The eagles don’t.  So it will be tricky to get value out of the pick so they can play early.

I realize this was a backwards way of arguing to draft for need top 10…which is not something I’d agree with either.  Well, the draft is complicated.

Which is all why DE is most likely. Graham can't really play many snaps and is on a one year deal. Barnett could be gone sooner rather than later as well.  DE at 10 will play immediately and play even more next season

19 minutes ago, just relax said:

Yes, I agree that Johnson has position versatility and that he has considerable experience at RG. That versatility is always a good thing. OTOH, Ohio runs an inside zone/gap scheme very different from what we run. It's based almost purely on power. My real point, perhaps badly made, is that we do not have a quality OT behind Mailata or Lane. Whoever we draft is, for me, most importantly a better OT than anyone else on the roster beyond those two. Inside, I think we're in an enviable position. 

I am pretty sure that if the Eagles see a potential long term starter at ot at pick 10, they are going to draft him and figure the rest out later. 

Also, lane johnson at guard for a few years? It would likely be an option to extend his career if we draft someone who is really good at rt. 

Howie is playing coy with this #10 pick.  He doesn’t want to let on to other teams who the real targets are, so he’s hosting the likes of Skoronski, Van Ness, Nolan Smith, Porter Jr, Ringo, Bijan etc on official visits.

This year instead of someone trading up in front of him for his guy, he’s watching, waiting, then SNAP!  It’s Witherspoon, Murphy, Gonzalez — the real talents, instead of the reaches he’s been bringing in to visit.

That’s the real plan — right, Howie?

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Howie is playing coy with this #10 pick.  He doesn’t want to let on to other teams who the real targets are, so he’s hosting the likes of Skoronski, Van Ness, Nolan Smith, Porter Jr, Ringo, Bijan etc on official visits.

This year instead of someone trading up in front of him for his guy, he’s watching, waiting, then SNAP!  It’s Witherspoon, Murphy, Gonzalez — the real talents, instead of the reaches he’s been bringing in to visit.

That’s the real plan — right, Howie?

More likely he’s bringing in players they aren’t sure about. Ringo is a great example. Superb athlete with some flaws in his game. Can those flaws be fixed? Let’s bring him in and figure it out.

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

More likely he’s bringing in players they aren’t sure about. Ringo is a great example. Superb athlete with some flaws in his game. Can those flaws be fixed? Let’s bring him in and figure it out.

I’d say the other explanation is they’ve quite likely decided to trade back to the 17-20 range to amass more draft capital.  That’s where most of these draft prospects slot in.

OT and OG are such glaring needs for this team.  The team have lost Dillard and Seumalo and not replaced them; the mock drafts aren't taking that into account.  CB is a smaller priority that could roll to next year.  Other than S, the teams needs OL depth

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I’d say the other explanation is they’ve quite likely decided to trade back to the 17-20 range to amass more draft capital.  That’s where most of these draft prospects slot in.

That’s kind of the problem with this draft. There isn’t a lot of difference between the #10 prospect and the #20 prospect.

So, yes, I’m sure Howie would like to trade back. But he’s still got to do DD on these guys in case he can’t trade back or in case they become available in the future.

1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

OT and OG are such glaring needs for this team.  The team have lost Dillard and Seumalo and not replaced them; the mock drafts aren't taking that into account.  CB is a smaller priority that could roll to next year.  Other than S, the teams needs OL depth

Sure, but where are you drafting the OL depth?  The draft is for the future, so RG is a need within 1-2 years when Kelce retires (if Jurgens assumes C), but the other starters are here for a minimum of 2-3 more seasons.  Lane just got an extension, Mailata is one year into his, Dickerson and Jurgens are on their rookie deals.

Keep in mind depth sits on the bench for 90% of the time until they’re needed.  I don’t think a #10 or #30 pick is the best value.  

4 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

OT and OG are such glaring needs for this team.  The team have lost Dillard and Seumalo and not replaced them; the mock drafts aren't taking that into account.  CB is a smaller priority that could roll to next year.  Other than S, the teams needs OL depth

Agree, but is that a top 100 draft pick or is it a mid or late round pick?

1 minute ago, TEW said:

That’s kind of the problem with this draft. There isn’t a lot of difference between the #10 prospect and the #20 prospect.

So, yes, I’m sure Howie would like to trade back. But he’s still got to do DD on these guys in case he can’t trade back or in case they become available in the future.

Yep every year people say trade back because the prospects are just as good 5-10 spots back but if that’s the case why would another team trade up?

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sure, but where are you drafting the OL depth?  The draft is for the future, so RG is a need within 1-2 years when Kelce retires (if Jurgens assumes C), but the other starters are here for a minimum of 2-3 more seasons.  Lane just got an extension, Mailata is one year into his, Dickerson and Jurgens are on their rookie deals.

Keep in mind depth sits on the bench for 90% of the time until they’re needed.  I don’t think a #10 or #30 pick is the best value.  

We kept Dillard when he could have been traded for depth; a first round pick.  We maybe have 1 more year of Kelce and 2 of Lane.  Both Lane and Mailata have been dinged over their careers, so I would not go top 10, but lower first and below is a place I'd start to look. I wouldn't wait to day 3, especially with the current lack of lower picks.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Agree, but is that a top 100 draft pick or is it a mid or late round pick?

Has to be top 100 for me.  There can be a project pick later on, but it needs more investment. Driscoll can play a role, but not for a long stretch outside.  It needs a better calibre of player there. 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

It always comes down to money and cap space.  The value of players on rookie deals is that you get players with impact that outpace the cap hit.

If a 3rd round pick takes 3 years to develop and gives you 1 such year, that’s a win.  
 

A top 10 pick that doesn’t contribute until the last year or 2 of the rookie deal wasn’t a good use of a top 10 pick.

This usually isn’t an issue…teams picking top 10 typically have lots of spots open.  The eagles don’t.  So it will be tricky to get value out of the pick so they can play early.

I realize this was a backwards way of arguing to draft for need top 10…which is not something I’d agree with either.  Well, the draft is complicated.

I get it, but if the Eagles go OT round 1, I can’t imagine they don’t give that player a great opportunity to win the one open spot that’s available. Mailata is a 24 yo pro bowler and Lane is the best RT in the game who could be for 3-4 more seasons if he can hold up mentally and physically. Therefore, an OT at 10 I’d imagine would be plugged in at RG with the eventual plan being to be the RT like Shawn Andrews was back in the day. 
 

Either way, I’d be willing to bet the Eagles go DL round 1. I think an OT at 30 is more likely. 

Paris Johnson and Broderick Jones are the consensus top OT but I really like Dawand Jones and Darnell Wright as well further down the draft board.  They don't have the feet and movement skills of the top guys but I think Stout could maximize their massive size with improved technique.