18 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Did you watch how well our defense played in the Super Bowl? And you think upgrading the OFFENSE is the ticket?

I know. It sounds insane. I struggled to type it.

But with this roster constructed as it is. What defensive player that the Eagles could draft steps in to 2023 and takes a starting role over someone already on the roster?

I would dance in the streets if they drafted Gonzalez, Witherspoon, or Porter Jr. 

But none of them will start over Slay, Bradberry, or Maddox.

I'm all for a DT. Carter scares me though. And I'm a UGA alum and diehard fan. Just never saw him as a difference maker. I'm not a scout. But I've watched every UGA game he's played in. And in one of the most important games of his career versus OSU in the CFP, he was completely owned by their OL.

So who does that leave? Breese, Kancey, the Northwestern guy who I currently can't remember to spell. None of them scream difference maker. 

Safety maybe? Branch is intriguing. I actually like him. But would Howie draft a safety early. Not his MO.

DE? Pretty sure the good ones go early. Anderson and Wilson will go before 10. Even if they draft one, he will be DE3 at best behind Sweat and Graham next year. Not to forget Reddick is an Edge Rusher in a Linebackers clothing. Van Ness at 30 wouldn't shock me.

Speaking of LB. Could grab one with a trade down of 30. Don't see anyone worthy of RD1. I'd be on board with Campbell in RD2.

But I'm increasingly thinking loading up on offensive skill players is the way to go.

KC is gonna score 40 points.

We need to score 41.

 

On 4/7/2023 at 7:25 PM, Iggles_Phan said:

Polamalu was overrated.  He was a splash player, but not a truly great one, certainly not the generational type that he was portrayed to be.

Dawkins outproduced Polamalu at every level.  Ints, Forced fumbles, Fumble recoveries, sacks, and tackles.   Polamalu would play outside the system and take chances and sometimes make a play, but not at the level that people would celebrate him.

Like I said I'm not comparing him to Dawk. That said he was a great player and you guys are looking at it through green tinted glasses

8 hours ago, BigEFly said:

What is your take of  Roderick Johnson at swing OT? He has some athleticism and some experience.  

Don't have anything intelligent to say about him. Tall and awkward is the only impression I have. He's had a year with Stoutland so...

4 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

But I'm increasingly thinking loading up on offensive skill players is the way to go.

KC is gonna score 40 points.

We need to score 41.

 

This has certainly been our recent SB experience, but not always the case. A) There’s only one ball to go around B) Even a competent defense needs talent, otherwise you’re not getting that one stop/turnover required to win the basketball game.

As an aside, it also helps if you have a better gameday DC and aren’t playing on a slip and slide.

 

That’s not really a surprise, but considering the cost of WRs these days I suspect 3-4 will still go in round 1. 

11 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The draft might be my favorite NFL related viewing besides the SB with the Eagles in it. 

My annual I wish the draft was still Saturday and Sunday format post.   I loved planning the weekend and such around the draft.  Too drawn out now.

Dane Brugler’s draft guide dropped today on The Athletic, for those who celebrate. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That’s not really a surprise, but considering the cost of WRs these days I suspect 3-4 will still go in round 1. 

I think my favorite is Tillman. He gets no buzz about him. 

 

The speed guys are just as slight as Smith was,  who was knocked for it,  but neither Mims nor Hyatt are nearly as complete as he was a a prospect.  

Addison underwhelmed in the workouts.  He may still be another Amen-Ra St. Brown. That's a dominant slot WR. But not really value in round 1.

 

JSN is a wild card because of no workout.  But he may be another Olave. Clearly the best upside of the aforementioned group.

Though Tillman is the only one who may be a #1 target at the X position with protypical size,  arm length,  leaping ability. Adequate speed for his size. But you just wish he coulda cracked in to the 4.4s.

6 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

If the Eagles want to win the Super Bowl next year, get a RB1 and WR3 early.

That’s naive.  Look at how many starts the Eagles Day 1 and Day 2 picks got last year.  Heck, Smith was a necessity. Moreso Dickerson. But barring injury a RB1 or WR3 starting this year seems unlikely so it might well not impact the next Super Bowl.  

Rather, I think BPA is most likely with a look at what positions on the team might be available next year.  Those include an RB position, not necessarily RB1 and a WR3, depending on Quez’s market and cost.  But even more likely early, we are looking at a G/T that projects as a starter in 2024 at RG when Kelce retires. But recognize these are positions for next year’s roster  

Arguably, maybe DT but that’s a BPA rather than a need. It has to be someone that can beat out Williams for a starter role (based on Cox position on a one year contract that would be unavoidable next year with the Jalen extension).DE seems more likely with Graham’s age.  Barnett is a low cost cut this year and an easy cut.  ILB seems a good bet as the Eagles lost in playoffs to teams with superior LB play the last two years.  Any secondary position because 2024 is a crap shoot with Slay and Bradberry and Williams is a one year rental as are Wallace, Evans, Edmunds.  But except for a pick at 10, these are 2024 players not 2023.  

Draft is for roster building. 

https://thelibertyline.com/2023/04/09/eagles-only-3-round-mock-draft-1/

I like this 3 round mock. The trade looks good too, picking up another 1st next year without losing one this year. 

10 hours ago, garingovt2000 said:

If we draft IOL semi early give me Chandler Zavala

 

7 hours ago, mattwill said:

Why?

1.  He's an Eagles fan

2.  6 foot 3 and 322 pounds and ran a 5.01 40 with 32.5 vert and benched 225 30 times

3.  Only gave up a half sack in 747 snaps last year to go along with 31 pancakes

4.  Moves well and has a little nasty streak

5.  While 24 (negative) he's only been playing the sport for 6 years

6.  Ran a lot of wide and inside zone in college

7.  Seems like a good kid

8.  Versatility... Played a lot of different spots in his college career

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

I know. It sounds insane. I struggled to type it.

But with this roster constructed as it is. What defensive player that the Eagles could draft steps in to 2023 and takes a starting role over someone already on the roster?

I would dance in the streets if they drafted Gonzalez, Witherspoon, or Porter Jr. 

But none of them will start over Slay, Bradberry, or Maddox.

I'm all for a DT. Carter scares me though. And I'm a UGA alum and diehard fan. Just never saw him as a difference maker. I'm not a scout. But I've watched every UGA game he's played in. And in one of the most important games of his career versus OSU in the CFP, he was completely owned by their OL.

So who does that leave? Breese, Kancey, the Northwestern guy who I currently can't remember to spell. None of them scream difference maker. 

Safety maybe? Branch is intriguing. I actually like him. But would Howie draft a safety early. Not his MO.

DE? Pretty sure the good ones go early. Anderson and Wilson will go before 10. Even if they draft one, he will be DE3 at best behind Sweat and Graham next year. Not to forget Reddick is an Edge Rusher in a Linebackers clothing. Van Ness at 30 wouldn't shock me.

Speaking of LB. Could grab one with a trade down of 30. Don't see anyone worthy of RD1. I'd be on board with Campbell in RD2.

But I'm increasingly thinking loading up on offensive skill players is the way to go.

KC is gonna score 40 points.

We need to score 41.

 

Use #10 pick on one of these: CB, OT, DE.  Behind the CB starters, there is not much.  The starters are at the tail end of career and need young players to step in in a season or two.  Need a RT to develop to be ready in couple of seasons.  Also double as back up at LT,  Graham while productive will play less snaps. Barnett is in his contract year coming back from injury. Reddicks is good as a rusher but nothing much behind him.

Carter is a red flag.  Better to go with someone with character and desire to excel.

Defense is more a need than offense, IMHO.  We could not stop KC at the end of the last SB.  The DL did not put enough pressure on the Chiefs most of the 2nd half and particularly at the end to force an OT.  Had they done that, our offense could win the game.  

Can always upgrade at other areas.  LB and S are typically not areas Howie will spend much on.  Mid to late rounds at best.  Maybe UDFAs.  WR3 can use an upgrade.  Best if he can be RS as well.  

 

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

Pretty much some of the same stuff I was saying the other day.  These are guys who are paid to dig deep and if what we can see as casual fans (lazy, doesn't love the game, bad technique, etc...) then imagine how much deeper his issues get.  The UGA DL prospects were/all overrated.  They fed off of each other but none of them were able to dominate on their own.  The Eagles fell for Jordan Davis last year with his size/strength/athletic ability and need to avoid that trap with Carter.

The fact that he doesn't love the game and doesn't love putting the work in to better himself should take him off the board completely.  If he doesn't love it while playing on a college campus, winning National Championships, then he's not going to love the game getting paid tens of millions of dollars.  

This may sound silly and I know pictures only capture a single moment and are easy to be taken out of context but almost all of the pictures you see of Carter on the sideline or anytime with his helmet off, he looks miserable.  Photographers throughout the history of the sport have done such a great job of capturing the emotions of the game through the lens.  You look at Carter and it's not a guy with his "game face on", a guy who is focused or any other type of emotion you see on gameday.  Most of them look like a guy who doesn't want to be there.

One more thing about Jalen Carter and why he won't be an Eagle.  What's the one quote that Sirianni has said from day 1?  

I'm paraphrasing here but "I want guys that  love ball".  

No way in hell they talk to him and they say, yea, this is our guy, he loves to play football.

 

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Pretty much some of the same stuff I was saying the other day.  These are guys who are paid to dig deep and if what we can see as casual fans (lazy, doesn't love the game, bad technique, etc...) then imagine how much deeper his issues get.  The UGA DL prospects were/all overrated.  They fed off of each other but none of them were able to dominate on their own.  The Eagles fell for Jordan Davis last year with his size/strength/athletic ability and need to avoid that trap with Carter.

No one has ever said a bad thing about Jordan Davis' character. Jason Kelce on his podcast praised him last week. The Jordan Davis pick was good process, even if it doesn't work out/

Jalen Carter is a completely different prospect.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

No one has ever said a bad thing about Jordan Davis' character. Jason Kelce on his podcast praised him last week. The Jordan Davis pick was good process, even if it doesn't work out/

Jalen Carter is a completely different prospect.

Not questioning Jordan Davis's character one bit.  Like I said last week and just like that scouting report just said, UGA DL are a product of the unit more than individual talent.  I think the Eagles fell in love with the size/strength/athletic ability of Jordan Davis more than they did his game tape from UGA.  UGA's LB and DB are the players who are going to have more success in the NFL, not their DL prospects.

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

One more thing about Jalen Carter and why he won't be an Eagle.  What's the one quote that Sirianni has said from day 1?  

I'm paraphrasing here but "I want guys that  love ball".  

No way in hell they talk to him and they say, yea, this is our guy, he loves to play football.

 

Its pretty obvious, but youll never convince the guys who have their ears plugged.

7 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

I know. It sounds insane. I struggled to type it.

But with this roster constructed as it is. What defensive player that the Eagles could draft steps in to 2023 and takes a starting role over someone already on the roster?

I would dance in the streets if they drafted Gonzalez, Witherspoon, or Porter Jr. 

But none of them will start over Slay, Bradberry, or Maddox.

I'm all for a DT. Carter scares me though. And I'm a UGA alum and diehard fan. Just never saw him as a difference maker. I'm not a scout. But I've watched every UGA game he's played in. And in one of the most important games of his career versus OSU in the CFP, he was completely owned by their OL.

So who does that leave? Breese, Kancey, the Northwestern guy who I currently can't remember to spell. None of them scream difference maker. 

Safety maybe? Branch is intriguing. I actually like him. But would Howie draft a safety early. Not his MO.

DE? Pretty sure the good ones go early. Anderson and Wilson will go before 10. Even if they draft one, he will be DE3 at best behind Sweat and Graham next year. Not to forget Reddick is an Edge Rusher in a Linebackers clothing. Van Ness at 30 wouldn't shock me.

Speaking of LB. Could grab one with a trade down of 30. Don't see anyone worthy of RD1. I'd be on board with Campbell in RD2.

But I'm increasingly thinking loading up on offensive skill players is the way to go.

KC is gonna score 40 points.

We need to score 41.

 

Witherspoon could start Week 1 in the slot CB role by flipping Maddox to FS.

Myles Murphy would be a very solid pick and would be in rotation with Josh Sweat at RDE, pushing Barnett down and off the depth chart.

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not questioning Jordan Davis's character one bit.  Like I said last week and just like that scouting report just said, UGA DL are a product of the unit more than individual talent.  I think the Eagles fell in love with the size/strength/athletic ability of Jordan Davis more than they did his game tape from UGA.  UGA's LB and DB are the players who are going to have more success in the NFL, not their DL prospects.

Jordan Davis had an up and down rookie year. We'll see how it goes. With DL, especially in our system, you can be a product of the group.

If we're going to trade-up for a player, I do hope it's Christian Gonzalez and not Jalen Carter.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think my favorite is Tillman. He gets no buzz about him. 

 

The speed guys are just as slight as Smith was,  who was knocked for it,  but neither Mims nor Hyatt are nearly as complete as he was a a prospect.  

Addison underwhelmed in the workouts.  He may still be another Amen-Ra St. Brown. That's a dominant slot WR. But not really value in round 1.

 

JSN is a wild card because of no workout.  But he may be another Olave. Clearly the best upside of the aforementioned group.

Though Tillman is the only one who may be a #1 target at the X position with protypical size,  arm length,  leaping ability. Adequate speed for his size. But you just wish he coulda cracked in to the 4.4s.

JSN did workout.  He participated in agility drills only because he has agility.  Skipped all the speed and explosion drills, because he has no speed nor explosion.

Addison has excellent tape both inside and outside; he'd be the best choice at WR IMO -- but I still wouldn't take him at #30; it would need to be a trade down.

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not questioning Jordan Davis's character one bit.  Like I said last week and just like that scouting report just said, UGA DL are a product of the unit more than individual talent.  I think the Eagles fell in love with the size/strength/athletic ability of Jordan Davis more than they did his game tape from UGA.  UGA's LB and DB are the players who are going to have more success in the NFL, not their DL prospects.

We got exactly what I expected from Davis last year as a rookie.  When he was first injured, the suggestion was a high ankle sprain and there was speculation from a few beats that he might be shut down for the year but he battled back and got mentored by four long term All Pro/Pro Bowl level veterans.  The getting back quickly and probably playing through his ankle suggests good work attitude as did his athletic performance at the combine.  I think we will be pleased by what we see this year.  Carter was a one year starter because the UGA DTs from the year before kept him from starting.  Completely different players.  

Frankly, my concern about Carter is that he is more a Marvin Wilson (another high recruit out of HS) than a Jordan Davis.

My hope is that Noah Elliss has his brother’s tenacity and learned something sitting in meetings last year.  

Marlon T., pre injury last year looked like a completely different player and frankly, at the end of the year, I thought Milton Williams was outplaying Hargrave.  Could have been fresh legs though. 

10.  Myles Murphy

30.  Mazi Smith

62.  Kelee Ringo (moves to S)

94.  Chandler Zavala 

 

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its pretty obvious, but youll never convince the guys who have their ears plugged.

I know, I'm just wanting for one person to back up why they want Carter.  Despite all of these red flags I still see comments of some saying they need to trade up if he falls.  If you like a prospect that much, tell me why.  If there are that many red flags about a guy, tell me why they should be ignored or bring some proof that those red flags aren't factual. 

Jalen Carter feels like the football version of Scarface.  Ask people who love Scarface why they do and they can't really say why.  They love the image Tony Montana doing lots of coke and holding a gun but can't tell you why they think it's a good movie. 

34 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

One more thing about Jalen Carter and why he won't be an Eagle.  What's the one quote that Sirianni has said from day 1?  

I'm paraphrasing here but "I want guys that  love ball".  

No way in hell they talk to him and they say, yea, this is our guy, he loves to play football.

 

Tbh i don’t even think he makes it to the eagles. I see Pete Carroll and seattle saying F it and taking him. They need defensive players badly and i don’t see seattle firing Carroll if he takes him and he doesn’t pan out. Unless an Qb falls that seattle loves or cards trade out of 3 and 4 QBs go in a row, i tend to think he lands there. Also don’t think he would get past atlanta. I think atlanta last offseason showed they’d deal with questionable character like Deshaun watson as if it weren’t for the fully guaranteed contract he’d be a falcon right now. The way i think the eagles would acquire him is in a trade up. I don’t see them doing that for a guy who’s got a ton of issues surrounding him. I could be wrong and he falls to 10 but i just think seattle and atlanta take him before us