I get that its a good RB class, but Charbonnet is one of them.

I've watched so many RB stuff and I can't get Spears to fall down my list. He's just so damn explosive.

25 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'm not necessarily advocating for Charbonnet at #62, but he's slotting right into that late 2nd round pocket where the Eagles like to take their RB prospect, McCoy and Sanders both being late 2nd round picks.  

They did find Gainwell in the 5h round, so maybe that's shaped their thinking somewhat at the position moving forward.    

More than Gainwell, I think Brian Robinson and Dameon Pierce and Isaih Pacheco in 2022 ... Tony Pollard in 2019

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I get that its a good RB class, but Charbonnet is one of them.

Low ceiling.  High floor.  He is a short term shiny penny.

Just now, mattwill said:

Low ceiling.  High floor.  He is a short term shiny penny.

I dont buy that ceiling thing. Theres not much development that can happen for RBs. VIsion is a natural talent. You have it or you dont. Same with agility. Someone can develop some more power. Charbonnet already has it. Someone can develop hands to an extent. Charbonnet already has them.

Nothing wrong with what he brings. Just because hes already near his ceiling doesnt mean it is low.

All RBs are short term shiny pennies as well. 

 

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont buy that ceiling thing. Theres not much development that can happen for RBs. VIsion is a natural talent. You have it or you dont. Same with agility. Someone can develop some more power. Charbonnet already has it. Someone can develop hands to an extent. Charbonnet already has them.

Nothing wrong with what he brings. Just because hes already near his ceiling doesnt mean it is low.

All RBs are short term shiny pennies as well. 

I agree he has better than average vision, but he doesn't have the plus athletic attributes to maximize the value of his vision. He isn't particularly agile and he isn't particularly fast.  He also runs very upright.  Like vision, having good hands is only as good as having plus athletic attributes to maximize the value of his hands.  He could get away with those average athletic attributes in college, but in the NFL he won't be trying to beat the same level of competition.

I respect your assessment of him, but I see him differently than you do.  I hope the Cowboys draft him.

21 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I've watched so many RB stuff and I can't get Spears to fall down my list. He's just so damn explosive.

Two ACL tears should do that, unless you’ve already baked that in. 

11 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

I know. It sounds insane. I struggled to type it.

But with this roster constructed as it is. What defensive player that the Eagles could draft steps in to 2023 and takes a starting role over someone already on the roster?

I would dance in the streets if they drafted Gonzalez, Witherspoon, or Porter Jr. 

But none of them will start over Slay, Bradberry, or Maddox.

I'm all for a DT. Carter scares me though. And I'm a UGA alum and diehard fan. Just never saw him as a difference maker. I'm not a scout. But I've watched every UGA game he's played in. And in one of the most important games of his career versus OSU in the CFP, he was completely owned by their OL.

So who does that leave? Breese, Kancey, the Northwestern guy who I currently can't remember to spell. None of them scream difference maker. 

Safety maybe? Branch is intriguing. I actually like him. But would Howie draft a safety early. Not his MO.

DE? Pretty sure the good ones go early. Anderson and Wilson will go before 10. Even if they draft one, he will be DE3 at best behind Sweat and Graham next year. Not to forget Reddick is an Edge Rusher in a Linebackers clothing. Van Ness at 30 wouldn't shock me.

Speaking of LB. Could grab one with a trade down of 30. Don't see anyone worthy of RD1. I'd be on board with Campbell in RD2.

But I'm increasingly thinking loading up on offensive skill players is the way to go.

KC is gonna score 40 points.

We need to score 41.

 

I’ve been starting to think the same thing. 

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Yeah, that’s a pretty bad look on Wright. Especially 3 weeks before the draft. Not sure it affects his stock all that bad though, will be hilarious now if the Bengals takes him

32 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I get that its a good RB class, but Charbonnet is one of them.

I’m such a fan. 

1 minute ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Yeah, that’s a pretty bad look on Wright. Especially 3 weeks before the draft. Not sure it affects his stock all that bad though, will be hilarious now if the Bengals takes him

Was thinking he might be a dark horse pick at 10 or with a trade back. Stuff like that makes me question whether he has enough mental toughness to play in Philly. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Was thinking he might be a dark horse pick at 10 or with a trade back. Stuff like that makes me question whether he has enough mental toughness to play in Philly. 

If this got him so mad Can’t imagine the DM he would send Jeff McLane

47 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I've watched so many RB stuff and I can't get Spears to fall down my list. He's just so damn explosive.

Elusive, perhaps.  He doesn't look explosive to me.  

I think Charbonnet is a good fit here, honestly.

Solid size, solid hands. With this line and Hurts drawing attention I think he would thrive. Not much of a fumbler either unless I'm confusing this aspect with someone else.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Elusive, perhaps.  He doesn't look explosive to me.  

What? Really? 2:00 mark and then 2:45 - 3:15 and then 3:35. These are all one cut where he explodes and takes off. I think he might have the best top end football speed in this RB class. Dude is great at making one cut and turning on the jets. I think with read option it’ll be deadly with Hurts.

5:10 is a combination is elusiveness and explosiveness.

5:43 is an off tackle run.

I think he’s the most explosive back in this class.

Football Outsiders considers Charbonnet overrated.

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2023/backcast-2023-zach-charbonnet-overrated

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Howie never met a trade he didn’t like.

Are there any players in it that you don’t like?

Problem with a fourteen player draft is where will you fit them.

Let’s do the math.  Caveat is who gets cut requiring an improvement.  Assuming Penny hits, the Eagles basically have open the Pascal position, the Seumalo position and the Dillard position on offense.  (Bad OT draft and not a great WR draft either.) So let’s look at your offensive picks.

TE Washington.  Which of Stoll and Calcaterra are you cutting?  Carrying four?  If so what position gets lighter?

RB Assuming that Penny looks like shiny penny not flattened by a train penny coming out of camp (Given it was a bone break last year, that is possible) so Spears and McBride.  Like Spears a lot and replacing Sermon with him seems a no brainer to me.  But Sermon and Scott are better to me than McBride.

WR Ford-Wheaton, Davis.Ford-Wheaton replaces Pascal and Davis tries to replace Covey. (Still stung by Reagor as a returner in the NFL so I won’t say that is a given.

OT Witt, developmental project but takes the Dillard spot I suspect. If selected I would assume he passed the Stout test.

QB Tune Meh, not convinced after watching Tune a lot at UH that he is an improvement.  Both has way too many WTF throws. 

G you left unanswered.  It is the most needy spot on O, IMHO.

So let’s tally.  You either replaced a TE like Stoll or Calcaterra with a likely improvement or took a G spot.  IMHO you wasted a RB and QB pick unless you think Tune replaces Mariota next year. I would use the McBride spot with one of the Gs I asked JR for his opinion about.

Now, let’s look at D.  By my count, we are up a DE (Barnett/Robinson but either may be expendable) at this point, have 5 DTs like last year (if Street hits), are even at S (if Evans and Edmunds hit), are down one LB and up one CB (if Williams hit).  So except at LB, someone has to get cut to have one of your Draft choices make it. So let’s take a look.

DE Smith, Carter.  Presume they replace Barnett and Robinson and you go one higher than last year.  Does DT take a hit?

DT Benton, Brooks.  Don’t see either of them as better than Cox,Williams, Davis, and possibly Marlon T.  Brooks certainly isn’t better than Marlon T. and I don’t think he beats Street, who may have lost his spot to Carter. Seems the Brooks pick was a waste and I am  not high on Benton.

LB Sanders.  Good pick. Likely instantly at least the third best at worst LB on the team but destined for the top LB spot.  And you have a spot open for him. Should be thrilled to get him at 57, but seems unlikely. 

S Brown I am hot and cold on him.  Stiff. Seems high to select him there, almost like a weak S class so grabbing after a run. Replaces Wallace I would guess but replaces is a good choice of a word. Basically an even exchange.

CB Tomlinson Nothing, I mean nothing interests me in a 5’7” 177 pound weakling CB.  I would argue Goodrich and Scott would beat him out. Certainly McPhearson, Jobe and Williams.  This pick has Pumphrey written all over it, Matt.  Deep CB class and not wanting to get left out, Howie picks the midget.  At 106, you couldn’t get a decent G prospect?  Sorry for the vitriol, not directed at you but rather the player. Basically giving you what my reaction would be on draft day with that choice.  

Tight fits and not sure much improvement overall.  Probably cut four of them, at least. 

36 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Was thinking he might be a dark horse pick at 10 or with a trade back. Stuff like that makes me question whether he has enough mental toughness to play in Philly. 

He does not.  They won't draft him

On 4/7/2023 at 8:16 AM, Random Reglar said:

I understand Quarterback Ratings and Passer Ratings, and the difference between them.

People here often don't.

226 is an excellent passer rating in college.  It doesn't mean you threw the ball often. Morons sometimes don't understand this.

 

On 4/7/2023 at 10:33 AM, mattwill said:

226 on a scale that starts at a minimum score of minus 731.6 and goes up to a maximum score of 1261.6 is 958 points above the bottom.  It is also  1036 points below the top. That puts it below the 50th percentile of the range.  You are arguing that a score below 50 on a scale of 100 is a good score.  You clearly didn’t learn that from your high school teachers.
 

 Further, a score of 226 on the College scale translates to an NFL QB rating equivalent of just over 76. 

Don’t forget that he uses statistics like these to justify calling someone a good college QB based on TWO passes. 

Someone in the Eagles org commented about Jordan Davis was doing team things like embracing the team at the tunnel when he was injured.  It doesn't show externally, but  he didn't sit idly by when not playing.  He needs to deliver on the field, but he clearly has more than we can see as fans

Chris Simms lmaoo 

35 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

What? Really? 2:00 mark and then 2:45 - 3:15 and then 3:35. These are all one cut where he explodes and takes off. I think he might have the best top end football speed in this RB class. Dude is great at making one cut and turning on the jets. I think with read option it’ll be deadly with Hurts.

5:10 is a combination is elusiveness and explosiveness.

5:43 is an off tackle run.

I think he’s the most explosive back in this class.

I think Keaton Mitchell might be a bit more explosive; I wouldn't really be attached to either of them, though.  I'm more hopeful of a 210-220 lb RB to take the heavy carries away from Hurts, hedging that Penny won't be able to stay healthy (or be here) long term.  

6 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Chris Simms lmaoo 

This is a really tough one for me. 

-- Tyree Wilson looks awkward to me; he has all the physical tools, but he could really be a boom-or-bust prospect.

-- Lukas Van Ness has the "high motor" but I don't see him winning off the snap very often.  In fact, the opposite.

-- Nolan Smith has great character and athleticism, he just looks small.  Without well developed pass rush moves I think he gets swallowed up at the NFL level

-- Will Anderson would be the best of these prospects, although not great.  To put him as "Tier 3" is definitely trolling level clickbait. 

 

I'm not going to listen to the 97-minute podcast for an explanation 

I think one thing we don't focus on enough in here is the age of the draftees

Myles Murphy just turned 21 in January

Tyree Wilson will be 23 in one month

Van Ness will be 22 in July

Will Anderson Jr will be 22 in September