3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

@just relax

This is a crappy draft for OT.  Thus I have been looking at multiple position players or Gs with T experience.  Want athleticism with trait issues that Stout can develop but with some level of experience so they can play RG next year when I anticipate Kelce retires.  A few I would like your opinion about for such development.

Anthony Bradford, LSU Basically size wise a JP clone but not as fast but close enough.  Some versatility and decent move for his size (which needs to be converted to NFL weight). Got some push.

Jordan McFadden, a bit short but decent speed and arm size.  Lower body a bit like Driscoll and played OT, left and right. Not sure Stout can teach junk in the trunk, but much like Driscoll, this guy shows decent technique.  

Jon Gaines, UCLA. Kid is quick and should be decent at pulling.  Versatile in positions he has played.  Needs technique work and some strength. Kind of a raw Issac Seumalo type from college.  Frame should support some weight gain.  
 

 

Of those three, I like Gaines the most, albeit on limited viewing. I think he moves better than the other two, especially Bradford, who does not look good to me in space. Of all the guard prospects, Torrence is clearly the best and may well end up at tackle. Problem is, given the, as you say, crappy draft for OT, he may get overdrafted and projected as a tackle. I see him as a Day Two guy but he might get picked earlier. I like Cody Mauch for guard, though not tackle. He moves REALLY well. Perfect fit for us at RG. I also like Steve Avila of TCU, who plays LG and RG. Very strong, smart, good lateral movement, powerful punch. Not as fast as Mauch but still very quick and much bigger.

P.S. I know this doesn't match up much if at all with the combine times. I'm just going by what I've seen on game tape. Coming back to Mauch, not only can he run but he can.block in space. He's under control. A guy running straight up, as most of the combine guys do, tells me nothing about his ability to play fast, to pull and do damage.

6 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I think one thing we don't focus on enough in here is the age of the draftees

Myles Murphy just turned 21 in January

Tyree Wilson will be 23 in one month

Van Ness will be 22 in July

Will Anderson Jr will be 22 in September

 

I like Will McDonald IV quite a bit, but he'll be 24 in June.  I do think that's an issue.  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I like Will McDonald IV quite a bit, but he'll be 24 in June.  I do think that's an issue.  

Yeah I think the difference between 21 and 23 is even huge via strength, speed, etc.

20 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I think one thing we don't focus on enough in here is the age of the draftees

Myles Murphy just turned 21 in January

Tyree Wilson will be 23 in one month

Van Ness will be 22 in July

Will Anderson Jr will be 22 in September

 

Especially for DEs... OL not a big deal, just avoid firemen.

Paris Johnson on SiriusXM right now.  Good interview.  Like how much he studies and how he has worked on his craft.  Warming up to him at 10.  

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I don't see the Eagles ever seeing safety as BPA in the 1st round, especially BPA based off of their positional value chart.  Much rather would have Sydney Brown in the 2nd.

Glad to see others not on the Charbonnet bandwagon.  I see the RB class this year as Robinson is the clear cut #1.  Gibbs is #1A based on how dynamic and electric he is.  Both are going to be very good players and potentially both go in the 1st.  After those two, I think there's a big lump of RBs that will be 2nd-4th rounders.  I have Charbonnet in that group along with guys like Sean Tucker, Tank Bigsby, Tyjae Spears, Devon Achane, Kendre Miller along with a few others.  Each brings something different to the table.  I think some can go on to be NFL starters and others like Achane are going to be more role players.  

They either go against the grain and take Robinson at 10 or they get a guy in the 3rd or 4th (if they can get some other picks).

As Running Backs -  Ras compare Adrian Martinez QB Kansas State, Nebraska vs Charbonnet

https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23302&p2=23220&pos=RB

Martinez is similar to Hurts,  built like a RB.  

RAS compare at QB  Martinez v Hurts

https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23302&p2=18948&pos=QB

Thing about Martinez is that he's a day 3 or UDFA.   Cheaper. 

There really aren't big RBs this year.  They are all the "new" big which is something like 215,  which isn't really big, it's just bigger than other RBs.   Martinez is 221.  Martinez could be QB3 (the Eagles are in great shape with a QB1 and 2.  Mariota was the 2nd fastest QB last year)  and/or a RB4.   Day 3 or udfa.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

51 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Chris Simms lmaoo 

 

Bwahaha 

Lol. What a DM exchange. 

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

 

Don’t forget that he uses statistics like these to justify calling someone a good college QB based on TWO passes. 

NO.

What happened was was that someone said that Richardson sucked at passing.

I said - "NO   226 passer rating does not suck."

I refuted the suck argument with data.

I was not making any argument.  I was refuting an argument.

Perhaps you or someone else is too stupid to understand the difference between using data to refute arguments and using data to make arguments.

I wasn't making the argument that a 226 passer rating - a great passer rating - means that Richardson was great. Very limited snaps that year.  I was refuting the argument that Richardson sucked the year he had a 226 passer rating.   That was the year that Brian Johnson was his Offensive Coordinator and QB coach.  He did not suck.  He barely played,  but 226 passer rating does not = suck.

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol. What a DM exchange. 

Translation: My agent/PR person reached out to me once this went viral, called me an idiot, said now I have to apologize

5 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

NO.

What happened was was that someone said that Richardson sucked at passing.

I said - "NO   226 passer rating does not suck."

I refuted the suck argument with data.

I was not making any argument.  I was refuting an argument.

Perhaps you or someone else is too stupid to understand the difference between using data to refute arguments and using data to make arguments.

I wasn't making the argument that a 226 passer rating - a great passer rating - means that Richardson was great. Very limited snaps that year.  I was refuting the argument that Richardson sucked the year he had a 226 passer rating.   That was the year that Brian Johnson was his Offensive Coordinator and QB coach.  He did not suck.  He barely played,  but 226 passer rating does not = suck.

226 passer rating? Perfect passer rating is 158.3

3 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

226 passer rating? Perfect passer rating is 158.3

Don’t engage it’s a trap trust me

1 minute ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Don’t engage it’s a trap trust me

Thanks - I wasn't / am not really engaging - just found it comical. 

Anthony Richardson sucks. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Anthony Richardson sucks. 

 

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Of those three, I like Gaines the most, albeit on limited viewing. I think he moves better than the other two, especially Bradford, who does not look good to me in space. Of all the guard prospects, Torrence is clearly the best and may well end up at tackle. Problem is, given the, as you say, crappy draft for OT, he may get overdrafted and projected as a tackle. I see him as a Day Two guy but he might get picked earlier. I like Cody Mauch for guard, though not tackle. He moves REALLY well. Perfect fit for us at RG. I also like Steve Avila of TCU, who plays LG and RG. Very strong, smart, good lateral movement, powerful punch. Not as fast as Mauch but still very quick and much bigger.

P.S. I know this doesn't match up much if at all with the combine times. I'm just going by what I've seen on game tape. Coming back to Mauch, not only can he run but he can.block in space. He's under control. A guy running straight up, as most of the combine guys do, tells me nothing about his ability to play fast, to pull and do damage.

Thanks.  You view and input is so valuable.  

I like Gaines feet the best of the three I mentioned.  Bradford’s body reminds me of a pre NFL Herbig. Seems to have lateral moves but I question his ability to pull.  I like Avila but he has a feel of C/G only to me.  I was looking a G/T prospects.  Mauch’s opposition has me concerned more than anything and his IOL play is much like McFadden as a projection.  Avila, Mauch and McFadden are a bit long in the tooth so they pretty much are what they seem  I think Torrence gets drafted as an OT. The prognosticators, who are frequently wrong, have him as a 1st/high 2nd and I think there are better options at other positions with our 30.  I was looking late third/early fourth value, hence the players I mentioned. 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

 

College uses a different and mostly meaningless passer rating formula. Its stupid and it serves no real point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating#:~:text=Passer rating is calculated using,scale from −731.6 to 1261.6.

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

I think one thing we don't focus on enough in here is the age of the draftees

Myles Murphy just turned 21 in January

Tyree Wilson will be 23 in one month

Van Ness will be 22 in July

Will Anderson Jr will be 22 in September

 

The Eagles generally do very, very, very poorly when drafting older players.  And they generally do very well when drafting younger ones.

Nice little list of 24 year old (or older) players for week 1 of their Eagle careers: Jerome Mcdougle, Bryan Smith, Danny Watkins, Andre Dillard, Carson Wentz.

Nice OC class , Tippmann being my favorite , heck he’s my favorite IOL period . I can see 3 or 4 centers going first 70 picks .

as for some OGs I like

Patterson

Vorhees

Saldiveri 

Morris

Curtis 

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Problem with a fourteen player draft is where will you fit them.

Let’s do the math.  Caveat is who gets cut requiring an improvement.  Assuming Penny hits, the Eagles basically have open the Pascal position, the Seumalo position and the Dillard position on offense.  (Bad OT draft and not a great WR draft either.) So let’s look at your offensive picks.

TE Washington.  Which of Stoll and Calcaterra are you cutting?  Carrying four?  If so what position gets lighter?

RB Assuming that Penny looks like shiny penny not flattened by a train penny coming out of camp (Given it was a bone break last year, that is possible) so Spears and McBride.  Like Spears a lot and replacing Sermon with him seems a no brainer to me.  But Sermon and Scott are better to me than McBride.

WR Ford-Wheaton, Davis.Ford-Wheaton replaces Pascal and Davis tries to replace Covey. (Still stung by Reagor as a returner in the NFL so I won’t say that is a given.

OT Witt, developmental project but takes the Dillard spot I suspect. If selected I would assume he passed the Stout test.

QB Tune Meh, not convinced after watching Tune a lot at UH that he is an improvement.  Both has way too many WTF throws. 

G you left unanswered.  It is the most needy spot on O, IMHO.

So let’s tally.  You either replaced a TE like Stoll or Calcaterra with a likely improvement or took a G spot.  IMHO you wasted a RB and QB pick unless you think Tune replaces Mariota next year. I would use the McBride spot with one of the Gs I asked JR for his opinion about.

Now, let’s look at D.  By my count, we are up a DE (Barnett/Robinson but either may be expendable) at this point, have 5 DTs like last year (if Street hits), are even at S (if Evans and Edmunds hit), are down one LB and up one CB (if Williams hit).  So except at LB, someone has to get cut to have one of your Draft choices make it. So let’s take a look.

DE Smith, Carter.  Presume they replace Barnett and Robinson and you go one higher than last year.  Does DT take a hit?

DT Benton, Brooks.  Don’t see either of them as better than Cox,Williams, Davis, and possibly Marlon T.  Brooks certainly isn’t better than Marlon T. and I don’t think he beats Street, who may have lost his spot to Carter. Seems the Brooks pick was a waste and I am  not high on Benton.

LB Sanders.  Good pick. Likely instantly at least the third best at worst LB on the team but destined for the top LB spot.  And you have a spot open for him. Should be thrilled to get him at 57, but seems unlikely. 

S Brown I am hot and cold on him.  Stiff. Seems high to select him there, almost like a weak S class so grabbing after a run. Replaces Wallace I would guess but replaces is a good choice of a word. Basically an even exchange.

CB Tomlinson Nothing, I mean nothing interests me in a 5’7” 177 pound weakling CB.  I would argue Goodrich and Scott would beat him out. Certainly McPhearson, Jobe and Williams.  This pick has Pumphrey written all over it, Matt.  Deep CB class and not wanting to get left out, Howie picks the midget.  At 106, you couldn’t get a decent G prospect?  Sorry for the vitriol, not directed at you but rather the player. Basically giving you what my reaction would be on draft day with that choice.  

Tight fits and not sure much improvement overall.  Probably cut four of them, at least. 

Washington is Stoll with excellent receiving skills.  You trade Stoll for a future pick and run with Joe Dirt, Washington and Calcaterra.

if your RB scenario plays out, McBride goes to the Practice Squad.  
 

WR is as you say, but Davis and Covey and Allen compete with the losers of the competition going to the Practice Squad.

Tune is QB3/4 competing with Book

I purposely left OG to Jurgens. OG and RT are addressed in the 2024 Draft. Witt is enrolled in Stoutland University 

I see both DE and DT as developmental positions in 2023.  So being better than Cox or Street or Marlon T isn’t the standard I’ll be using. Further, if pick 219 doesn’t make the 53, is that a loss?

My plan at LB was Jack Campbell, but Sanders was there, and too good to pass up.

Fair enough on both the Safety and the CB; however, I’m not as concerned with in a slot CB.

10 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Nice OC class , Tippmann being my favorite , heck he’s my favorite IOL period . I can see 3 or 4 centers going first 70 picks .

as for some OGs I like

Patterson

Vorhees

Saldiveri 

Morris

Curtis 

Tippmann is Stout material:

• Made Bruce Feldman's Freak's List - ranked #28. He wrote, "Tippmann is a terrific combination of strength (635-pound back squat and 455-pound bench) and athleticism, clocking a 4.31 pro agility time and a 1.65 10-yard split, which would’ve been faster than any O-lineman at the NFL combine this year."
• Has big powerful hands - with outstanding grip strength

52 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

NO.

What happened was was that someone said that Richardson sucked at passing.

I said - "NO   226 passer rating does not suck."

I refuted the suck argument with data.

I was not making any argument.  I was refuting an argument.

Perhaps you or someone else is too stupid to understand the difference between using data to refute arguments and using data to make arguments.

I wasn't making the argument that a 226 passer rating - a great passer rating - means that Richardson was great. Very limited snaps that year.  I was refuting the argument that Richardson sucked the year he had a 226 passer rating.   That was the year that Brian Johnson was his Offensive Coordinator and QB coach.  He did not suck.  He barely played,  but 226 passer rating does not = suck.

You really needed to think twice before using 226 to refute the argument.  226 on a scale that starts at a minimum score of minus 731.6 and goes up to a maximum score of 1261.6 is 958 points above the bottom.  It is also  1036 points below the top. That puts it below the 50th percentile of the range.  You are arguing that a score below 50 on a scale of 100 is a good score.  You clearly didn’t learn that from your high school teachers.
 

Further, a score of 226 on the College scale translates to an NFL QB rating equivalent of just over 76. Is an NFL passer with a 76 WB Rating good?

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You really needed to think twice

 

So I was thinking about Howie. Howie seems to be a guy who identifies specific guys he really likes and relentlessly pursues them or specific positions he wants to fill. Now, I guess you can say most people do that, but Howie more so. It's in part why he makes as many trades as he does. Now, obviously there are limits to what you can do, and if he can't get what he wants, he's shown he's willing to pivot.

But the Eagles have a top 10 pick. They're rare for the Eagles. I think if certain plans fail, the most likely scenario is trading back. Stockpiling picks is very Howie.

But IMO what's even more Howie is trying to capitalize on being in this position and coming away with a blue chip player with this pick--one way or the other. I can't see Howie just using this pick as a luxury. I think he's going to want to capitalize on having this pick. And coming away with one of the top non QBs in the draft. That to me feels like a Howie move more than anything.

I'm starting to think trading up for Howie might be the most likely scenario... if he can do it giving up 2024 picks. And if he has to give up like a 3rd this year on top of it, trading back multiple times(from 30 and the 2nd rounder) to make up for it.