18 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Had Okudah sucked?!  I can’t believe how little the Falcons gave up for him. Especially since Detroit seems to be on the rise. 

He's occasionally flashed but no where near where he should be after being a top 3 pick

30 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Had Okudah sucked?!  I can’t believe how little the Falcons gave up for him. Especially since Detroit seems to be on the rise. 

Had a few injuries, ruptured Achilles in 2021 really set him back 

43 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Not sure how this changes the top 10 if at all.

Chances of them going CB greatly increased. Falcons have a nice set of young corners in Okudah & Terrell. 

35 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Wow, dude was the 3rd pick of that draft, lions reportedly were asking for a 3rd they got a 5th, brutal for the lions 

At least they recognize mistakes pretty quick and make moves. 

8 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Chances of them going CB greatly increased. Falcons have a nice set of young corners in Okudah & Terrell. 

Maybe. They did sign Moseley and Sutton so they don’t need to in the first necessarily. 

32 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I hate this argument that stats aren't the way to compare players 

If as you state that wins which is a team metric not individual and impact in the game then how does one quantify impact on the game? Through stats.

Sure one can say players do stuff that impacts Games all the time that doesn't show up on a stat sheet, those guys play OL.

Even then one can argue a skill player does stuff all the time that doesn't show up on the stat sheet but how is that quantifiable without compiling it into a stat.

Can you quantifiably show that T.P. plays that didn't record a stat had a bigger impact on the game than Dawkins plays that didn't record a stat?

It is fairly easy though to compare stats and when it comes to stats Dawkins leads TP in every defensive statistical category including games not lost to Injury.

TP was a great player and one of the most overrated 

Got it. So in your books stats are stats So all sacks are the same and the one that B.G. got in the super bowl is the same as any sack in garbage time in a regular season game.  T.P. was not over rated you're letting your jealousy rule your thinking. 

Just now, greend said:

Got it. So in your books stats are stats So all sacks are the same and the one that B.G. got in the super bowl is the same as any sack in garbage time in a regular season game.  T.P. was not over rated you're letting your jealousy rule your thinking. 

 Ok give me a stat that shows an Troy INT more impact on a game than a Dawkins INT and do that for each of Dawks 34 INTs and all of TPs 32 INTs.???

My jealousy isn't ruling my thinking your premise is flawed and illogically based.

 

Dance puppets DANCE!!!

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Dance puppets DANCE!!!

 

I'm fully prepared for this to be the pick at 10, it's just such a Howie Pick, I'm not a big fan of Skoronski and I wouldn't be mad excited just bleh...I'm not a fan  of taking guards at 10 but if he ends up being an all pro would be better than wasting that pick on some bust DL.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

 Ok give me a stat that shows an Troy INT more impact on a game than a Dawkins INT and do that for each of Dawks 34 INTs and all of TPs 32 INTs.???

My jealousy isn't ruling my thinking your premise is flawed and illogically based.

 

No I won't "give you a stat" you're the stat guy. Not all stats are the same, but keep on hating, at the end of the day it doesn't matter to me. I have no problem saying that Troy deserves whatever he gets and that isn't an insult to Dawk in my book. Whether or not Dawk was a great player has nothing to do with T.P. And so if it's isn't your jealousy and my premise is flawed why bring up Dawks stats at all?

I just realized the Polamalu convo is still going lol

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Dance puppets DANCE!!!

 

You know somebody is taking OL in the top 10; there are an increasing number of teams following the Eagles' formula of building through the trenches, and there just isn't top-flight WR talent in this draft class.

There will be 3 QBs (maybe 4), 2 EDGE (maybe 3), then one CB (maybe 2).  Throw in an OL or two and that's the top 10.  I can see either ATL or CHI taking OL at #8 and 9.  The Bears will have had a plan in mind of who is available at #9 before they made the trade out of #1 overall.  I think they know either Skoronski or Johnson Jr will be at the top of their draft board at that pick.

In terms of Skoronski for the Eagles, it's possible they see a path to have him train at RG for a season behind Jurgens, then if/when Kelce retires you have an OL of Lane/Skoronski/Jurgens/Dickerson/Mailata.  That sounds pretty good for the long term.  

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You know somebody is taking OL in the top 10; there are an increasing number of teams following the Eagles' formula of building through the trenches, and there just isn't top-flight WR talent in this draft class.

There will be 3 QBs (maybe 4), 2 EDGE (maybe 3), then one CB (maybe 2).  Throw in an OL or two and that's the top 10.  I can see either ATL or CHI taking OL at #8 and 9.  The Bears will have had a plan in mind of who is available at #9 before they made the trade out of #1 overall.  I think they know either Skoronski or Johnson Jr will be at the top of their draft board at that pick.

In terms of Skoronski for the Eagles, it's possible they see a path to have him train at RG for a season behind Jurgens, then if/when Kelce retires you have an OL of Lane/Skoronski/Jurgens/Dickerson/Mailata.  That sounds pretty good for the long term.  

Wouldn't be a adrenaline raising pick but he projects as a mauler in the run game as a guard. Not an NFL OT but could be a fill in if injured. If they are picking a guard at 10 though, they should take Torrence, this then shows how picking Skoronski at 10 is a mistake. They can trade back from 10 and still get Torrence.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You know somebody is taking OL in the top 10; there are an increasing number of teams following the Eagles' formula of building through the trenches, and there just isn't top-flight WR talent in this draft class.

There will be 3 QBs (maybe 4), 2 EDGE (maybe 3), then one CB (maybe 2).  Throw in an OL or two and that's the top 10.  I can see either ATL or CHI taking OL at #8 and 9.  The Bears will have had a plan in mind of who is available at #9 before they made the trade out of #1 overall.  I think they know either Skoronski or Johnson Jr will be at the top of their draft board at that pick.

In terms of Skoronski for the Eagles, it's possible they see a path to have him train at RG for a season behind Jurgens, then if/when Kelce retires you have an OL of Lane/Skoronski/Jurgens/Dickerson/Mailata.  That sounds pretty good for the long term.  

Said this a couple days ago. 4 out of 5 oline spots would be set for the foreseeable future if you took skoronski (heck Johnson or jones who’d eventually replace lane assuming they pan out). Not saying i love any of those OL but i could totally see the eagles logic in taking one of those guys. if they think they are the best available players and the impact they’d have long term along. I said this the other day unless you draft Anderson, Carter or Wilson or take a safety/linebacker likely not having a day 1 starter. It’s really unlikely to nearly non-existent for a safety or linebacker taken at 10. even the two corners would be behind slay and bradberry who are here through 2024. 

8 minutes ago, greend said:

No I won't "give you a stat" you're the stat guy. Not all stats are the same, but keep on hating, at the end of the day it doesn't matter to me. I have no problem saying that Troy deserves whatever he gets and that isn't an insult to Dawk in my book. Whether or not Dawk was a great player has nothing to do with T.P. And so if it's isn't your jealousy and my premise is flawed why bring up Dawks stats at all?

I have zero problem with whatever Troy gets he's HOF in my book but like the poster said if TP is first ballot then so is Dawk.

Dawk was a better player, but the media and the Hall hold TP in higher regard, why?

Simply because Troy was a Steeler won a super bowl and was super popular because of his hair, none of those 3 have anything to do with who was a better player so when debating which player was better one metric to use is stats.

No one at least me is saying Troy isn't a HOF safety or wasn't a great player all I said and others as well is that Dawk was better and Troy is overrated.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said this the other day unless you draft Anderson, Carter or Wilson or take a safety/linebacker likely not having a day 1 starter. It’s really unlikely to nearly non-existent for a safety or linebacker taken at 10. even the two corners would be behind slay and bradberry who are here through 2024. 

I'd still gladly draft Witherspoon, play him as slot CB Week 1, and move Maddox to FS.

I doubt the Eagles see it the same way, though.

 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'd still gladly draft Witherspoon, play him as slot CB Week 1, and move Maddox to FS.

I doubt the Eagles see it the same way, though.

 

Will be interesting Howie has said on D they value DE and CB, which really goes all the way back to JJ days and this draft is deep at corner.

Eagles also value OL and this draft doesn't really have any elite ones but maybe Howie values the top OG in the draft over say the 2nd or 3rd rated corner or 3rd or 4th rated DL?

Just can't see Howie using a top 10 pick on anyone other than OL or DL where in this draft at 10 there isn't really alot of top guys at those positions.

 

Clearly Howie values CB enough to pay two big salaries to Slay and Bradberry. 

So it would stand to reason he'd value CB enough to take a young corner to eventually shed one of those contracts, but still have a starting-caliber player on the field.

There's too many good options in the middle rounds - Tippmann, Stromberg, etc. - where Howie can grab a future starter without having to pass up on OT/DL/CB early.

Don't see Eagles being interested.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Don't see Eagles being interested.

Won’t come cheap , for starters a first rd pick , probably 2. And a  100 million contract , minimal 

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Don't see Eagles being interested.

Yup, he's on the last year of his rookie deal but is gonna want to get paid, I can't see Howie paying him, nor can I see Howie giving up what bucs would want in a trade for a 1 year rental.

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Don't see Eagles being interested.

Unfortunately not. Even though we watched in the super-bowl that good linebacking play does make a difference. Howie will just gloss past that though and have his head in the sand with it. Definition of insanity.... 

Sunday Ticket is cheap to me. My area never plays Eagles games unless its primetime. So 12 non primetime games divided by $350 is $29 a game. I’d spend more than that at a bar/restaurant. I get to stay home and enjoy the game. I also get the games my kids want to watch, any other game I want to watch, and the games for my friends for their teams.

I don’t want to deal with quality issues and the annoyance of illegal streaming a game. I watched a game at my buddies who swears by it and by halftime I got him to download the app and showed him and it wasn’t an argument anymore.

8 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Unfortunately not. Even though we watched in the super-bowl that good linebacking play does make a difference. Howie will just gloss past that though and have his head in the sand with it. Definition of insanity.... 

Same thought process cost them a Superbowl in 2002...

14 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

You are way lower on Brents than most. What makes you say that?

I just don’t see control in his hips and feet placement. Speed but not gears (that burst for makeup speed). I think the draft sites are intrigued by his combination of height and straight line speed.  Problem with both Brent’s and Banks (and Porter and most of the other DBs in the draft) is they tend to bump as allowed in CFB and get handsy.  Both Brent’s and Banks do it to the level to get flagged so I look at mirror and I think Banks mirrors better than Brents.  That said, I always preface scouting the college backfield that I am watching broadcast film not All-22 so there are plays where we don’t see what the DBs did (same with receivers).  One thing I do like about Banks is he does tackle.