Why would you want a RB in the first round over someone on defense?

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Why would you want a RB in the first round over someone on defense?

 

Instant impact for a ready to win now offense.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Instant impact For a ready to win now offense.

Our ready to win offense was stifled by our ready to lose defense 

We should totally model our offense to beat Kansas City.  Take a RB in the first round to beat the team that beat us with a....7th round RB. 

 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Troy played more Rover Back than FS or SS.  Strictly from a Rover Back perspective, who played it better?  (Eagles play some Rover Back when they play 3 Ss.)

Not sure, JJ started lining up Dawk at dime LB later in Dawks career, but before that JJ would move him all over the field blitz him from the A gap, or off the edge, line him up in the  A gap and drop him back, cover the slot cover deep third, he played all over I think the difference is JJ designed that, where as with Troy they were just like do what ever you want, pretty wild if you think about but it worked more often than not.

 

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Our ready to win offense was stifled by our ready to lose defense 

 

Well no picks in this draft are going to dramatically turn the talent level on the defense around.  It's a long term rebuild on defense they are looking at.  Have to hope that at least the new DC can put forth a better game plan and in game adjustments despite the reduction of talent.  All the while there is at least a 2 year window of their offensive core under contract and it makes sense to only strengthen that unit that is clearly the driving force of the team.

5 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

We should totally model our offense to beat Kansas City.  Take a RB in the first round to beat the team that beat us with a....7th round RB. 

 

I agree with you on that. I'm also curious what rounds did the chiefs take the refs in? That and Gannon were the 2 biggest reasons the Eagles lost the game. 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Troy played more Rover Back than FS or SS.  Strictly from a Rover Back perspective, who played it better?  (Eagles play some Rover Back when they play 3 Ss.)

Polamalu played it better than Epps. CJGJ? Not sure.  

51 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Devin White for a 1 year rental?

Only due $11.7 million this year

Wonder what the asking price is

I wonder that as well.

If there is a QB at 10, would they do a swap of 10 for 19 and Devin White?

Would that even be the right value?

Just now, pallidrone said:

I wonder that as well.

If there is a QB at 10, would they do a swap of 10 for 19 and Devin White?

Would that even be the right value?

Sportrac has him estimated at 4 years 80 mil. Hard pass.

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Well no picks in this draft are going to dramatically turn the talent level on the defense around.  It's a long term rebuild on defense they are looking at.  Have to hope that at least the new DC can put forth a better game plan and in game adjustments despite the reduction of talent.  All the while there is at least a 2 year window of their offensive core under contract and it makes sense to only strengthen that unit that is clearly the driving force of the team.

Drafting a RB in the first round when Nick has said he doesn't plan to limit Hurts run game seems like a bad investment 

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Drafting a RB in the first round when Nick has said he doesn't plan to limit Hurts run game seems like a bad investment 

From a strategic point of view, why would a coach broadcast to all the other teams that they were going to limit an element of the offense for which they have to prepare to defend? That's what he should say even if the plan is to add another element to make the RPO or R-O schemes more effective. Hurt's durability needs a horse of a RB on which the team can depend. Also, the Oline should be leveraged for more game control than a majority reliance on Hurts as a runner.

I wouldn't go first round because of the opportunity cost at OL and DL but after that, RB is a key need, IMO.

2 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

From a strategic point of view, why would a coach broadcast to all the other teams that they were going to limit an element of the offense for which they have to prepare to defend? That's what he should say even if the plan is to add another element to make the RPO or R-O schemes more effective. Hurt's durability needs a horse of a RB on which the team can depend. Also, the Oline should be leveraged for more game control than a majority reliance on Hurts as a runner.

I don't view that as such

You can find a RB in the later rounds

Our only competent OL backup right now is Jack Driscoll, it’ll definitely be OL at 10. I have my wishes, but I’m betting it’ll be the guy from Northwestern. Think Howie & Stoutland will love him

16 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Drafting a RB in the first round when Nick has said he doesn't plan to limit Hurts run game seems like a bad investment 

 

I don't see why that matters.  We probably have one of the worst group of RBs in the league right now.  If we draft a RB in the first they will get carries.  Miles got carries.  Adding more skill and talent to this offense at a position of need will only make the offense that much better than it would be otherwise.  

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't view that as such

You can find a RB in the later rounds

 

You can find any position in the later rounds.  You can also miss on RB in the later rounds just like you can miss on any other position.  It's that mentality that got us stuck with Pumphrey in a loaded RB class.  

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I don't see why that matters.  We probably have one of the worst group of RBs in the league right now.  If we draft a RB in the first they will get carries.  Miles got carries.  Adding more skill and talent to this offense at a position of need will only make the offense that much better than it would be otherwise.  

With all of the hype I remember seeing in here about the new addition at RB I'd disagree

I'd rather go defense and if there isn't anyone worth the pick then trade back

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You can find any position in the later rounds.  You can also miss on RB in the later rounds just like you can miss on any other position.  It's that mentality that got us stuck with Pumphrey in a loaded RB class.  

You pretty much just made my point for me. It's better to use a later round in case it is a miss. Using a first round pick on a position like RB isn't a wise investment. Just look at all of the SB teams that did that. Oh wait

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

With all of the hype I remember seeing in here about the new addition at RB I'd disagree

I'd rather go defense and if there isn't anyone worth the pick then trade back

You pretty much just made my point for me. It's better to use a later round in case it is a miss. Using a first round pick on a position like RB isn't a wise investment. Just look at all of the SB teams that did that. Oh wait

 

The new addition at RB? He's made of glass and cannot at all be depended on. 

Birds were a top 3-5 team in rushing last year. Drafting Bijan at 10 would make them a... top 3-5 team rushing again. He's not going to move the needle on offense. Sure, he would probably be a better RB than Sanders was, but picking him at 10 would be a waste. This team has much more immediate need along the DL, plus you will still have solid RBs to choose from on day 2.

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Dance puppets DANCE!!!

 

I firmly believe the pick will be him or LVN and people's heads will explode, especially if it's Skoronski.

23 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

With all of the hype I remember seeing in here about the new addition at RB I'd disagree

I'd rather go defense and if there isn't anyone worth the pick then trade back

You pretty much just made my point for me. It's better to use a later round in case it is a miss. Using a first round pick on a position like RB isn't a wise investment. Just look at all of the SB teams that did that. Oh wait

What is the earliest you would like the Eagles to select a RB?

 

The argument for Robinson at 10 immediately dies when you consider how much the #10 pick will make next year. Good backs with great NFL production make less than that.

Pass rusher at 10 is the best and most likely move. CB if the right guy is there but that's messy.

2 minutes ago, eaglestime34 said:

What is the earliest you would like the Eagles to select a RB?

 

3rd

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Because its the lowest value position in the offense

I understand thats the overall generalized view but guys like this do not come around often. I do feel like its a perfect storm set up for us with where this team is at but the defense needs a lot and o-line is always an option. So i get its not likely, but i just see so many positives from Bijan i think it does put the offense over the top  and open things up even more for Hurts and the pass game and have a ripple effect across the offense and even the defense by owning the time of possession and being able to close games out on the shoulders if Bijan. Plus he's elite in the passing game which is just another added bonus. 

8 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

The argument for Robinson at 10 immediately dies when you consider how much the #10 pick will make next year. Good backs with great NFL production make less than that.

Pass rusher at 10 is the best and most likely move. CB if the right guy is there but that's messy.

Oh the argument should die long before you even get to that point(which is also valid). There are countless reasons to avoid RB that high in a draft. The notion is crazy in 2023.