13 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

BUT… he didn’t, and the biggest impact Andre Dillard will have for us is the comp pick value that will probably be cancelled out and mean nothing.

Josh Jacobs would have been a huge upgrade over Miles Sanders, and I was a fan of Miles… Christian McCaffery and Josh Jacobs would have both been more impactful in the past Super Bowl than Miles Sanders was… game changing impact. Dillard and Barnett did nothing.

Do we need an injection of youth on the DLine? Yes, we do. We added a couple impactful plugins mid season last year. There are pieces to be added to our rotation in many different ways.

If you want to be cheap at RB… drafting a stud and having them on a rookie contract makes sense. Right now we have our fingers crossed that Penny can stay healthy or Trey Sermon doesn’t suck.

What is the point you’re making? Should The Rams have passed on Aaron Donald if they needed a RB more? They don’t have the benefit of hindsight before the guy plays. Picking a couple players who didn’t pan out doesn’t mean their positions are no longer valuable. 

Bijan Robinson may be a complete bust, never healthy enough to play more than 6 games in any given season. We don’t know that yet. So we can’t draft based on hindsight. But what we do know is lineman are wildly more valuable than RBs, and teams who have better lines will almost always beat teams who have better RBs. It’s not worth the draft slot

10 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

BUT… he didn’t, and the biggest impact Andre Dillard will have for us is the comp pick value that will probably be cancelled out and mean nothing.

Josh Jacobs would have been a huge upgrade over Miles Sanders, and I was a fan of Miles… Christian McCaffery and Josh Jacobs would have both been more impactful in the past Super Bowl than Miles Sanders was… game changing impact. Dillard and Barnett did nothing.

Do we need an injection of youth on the DLine? Yes, we do. We added a couple impactful plugins mid season last year. There are pieces to be added to our rotation in many different ways.

If you want to be cheap at RB… drafting a stud and having them on a rookie contract makes sense. Right now we have our fingers crossed that Penny can stay healthy or Trey Sermon doesn’t suck.

To be fair Barnett was injured before the season even started. Dillard stepped in at couple points throughout the season and was a valuable backup. We saw how important quality OL depth was when Big V stepped up in 2017.
 

Also, feels like Eagles fans on the Bijan train are forgetting how lucky we were when it came to our teams health this year & we certainly won’t be as lucky this year.  

You guys really think Bijan will be that much of a difference maker in a game against the Cowboys if Lane goes down & we have to watch Jack Driscoll line up against Micah Parsons again?

2 hours ago, MillerTime said:

Not really. He doesn’t get a ton of targets but his catch rate is only 70.9% for his career with 79 targets. That’s not great for a RB. Derrick Henry is at 76% and has 166 targets in his career.

The low targets are the wb limiting the scheme

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

What is the point you’re making? Should The Rams have passed on Aaron Donald if they needed a RB more? Picking a couple players who didn’t pan out doesn’t mean their positions are no longer valuable. 

We don’t have the benefit of hindsight before they play. Bijan Robinson may be a complete bust, never healthy enough to play more than 6 games in any given season. We don’t know that yet. So we can’t draft based on hindsight. But what we do know is lineman are wildly more valuable than RBs, and teams who have better lines will almost always beat teams who have better RBs. It’s not worth the draft slot

My point is that we have a great oline. I think adding Bijan Robinson is the most explosive addition the Eagles could make on offense this offseason. A first round pick puts him in our backfield for 5 years guaranteed, on a rookie contract.

We have no glaring holes, only position groups that need some young talent added to them. 
 

We just made the Super Bowl and are in a unique position drafting at pick 10. Why not throw the 1st round positional value rules out the window and make the most explosive upgrade you can make on offense for 2023?

9 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

You guys really think Bijan will be that much of a difference maker in a game against the Cowboys if Lane goes down & we have to watch Jack Driscoll line up against Micah Parsons again?

Bijan can make Micah Parsons miss while Miles Sanders couldn’t.

1 hour ago, MillerTime said:

My question for the blog is would you select Christian McCaffrey or Derek Barnett? (2017 draft) Would you select Josh Jacobs or Andre Dillard? (2019 draft)

Barnett is the last DE we selected in the 1st. He is still on the team but we still see it as a need and most were annoyed we brought him back.

Dillard was the last Oline we selected in the 1st. He was on the team for 4 years.

McCaffrey was a true outlier in my opinion. You put him in the slot fulltime and he's a 90+ catch per year guy. Even still, there were several guys picked in the teens I'd rather have than him. Eagles just whiffed.

Josh Jacobs? Hahaha

14 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

To be fair Barnett was injured before the season even started. Dillard stepped in at couple points throughout the season and was a valuable backup. We saw how important quality OL depth was when Big V stepped up in 2017.
 

Also, feels like Eagles fans on the Bijan train are forgetting how lucky we were when it came to our teams health this year & we certainly won’t be as lucky this year.  

Drafting Bijan doesn’t stop us from adding depth in the rest of the draft. We have 12 draft picks next year. We also have another 1st and 2nd to address those positions if we go that route. We have plenty of opportunity to get younger at the other positions.

1 minute ago, MidMoFo said:

Bijan can make Micah Parsons miss while Miles Sanders couldn’t.

You’re betting on an unproven talent vs a guy that’s ascending to be the best defensive player in the NFL 

Just now, MillerTime said:

Drafting Bijan doesn’t stop us from adding depth in the rest of the draft. We have 12 draft picks next year. We have plenty of opportunity to get younger at the other positions. We also have another 1st and 2nd to address those positions if we go that route.

All those draft picks next year…where’s our depth this year? You’re ok with Josiah Scott and Jack Driscoll as your main depth on the OL & in the secondary? 
 

We need depth, now. We’re limited on draft capital this year. Eagles won’t have the good fortune on health this year like they did last season. 

1 minute ago, Dwide Schrude said:

You’re betting on an unproven talent vs a guy that’s ascending to be the best defensive player in the NFL 

I’m betting he is better than Miles Sanders and what we have left at RB. I’m also betting he would take some rushing attempts off of Jalen Hurts.

14 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

My point is that we have a great oline. I think adding Bijan Robinson is the most explosive addition the Eagles could make on offense this offseason. A first round pick puts him in our backfield for 5 years guaranteed, on a rookie contract.

We have no glaring holes, only position groups that need some young talent added to them. 
 

We just made the Super Bowl and are in a unique position drafting at pick 10. Why not throw the 1st round positional value rules out the window and make the most explosive upgrade you can make on offense for 2023?

Because we’re not drafting for 2023, We’re drafting for 2024-2027. To expect Bijan to be an "explosive addition” is unrealistic in his rookie year. It has happened before with players, but those are notable because they are outliers. To draft a player solely on the expectation that he’ll play like a seasoned vet his rookie year is exactly how the Lions and the Browns and the Cardinals have been throwing away picks for decades.

You never draft a player for that year, you draft him for the future. If he contributes his rookie year then that’s a bonus. What’s our Dline in 2024? Sweat is going into his last year and it’s entirely possible if he has another big sack season that we can’t afford him. Graham is 35. Cox is 33. Barnett will most likely be gone. A rotational Dlineman who can slowly work into the starting lineup is absolutely more valuable than a RB who may or may not have a major impact before year 3.
 

And even then, his impact can be at least mostly replicated by a functional committee, even if he turns into a Star. A star pass rusher cannot be easily replaced. 

1 minute ago, MidMoFo said:

I’m betting he is better than Miles Sanders and what we have left at RB. I’m also betting he would take some rushing attempts off of Jalen Hurts.

We don’t need a better RB than Sanders though. He was perfectly fine. He was efficient and helped sustain drives. This offense doesn’t need a dominant RB, just an effective one. Give the help to Jalen sure, but I’d rather not take the ball out of Jalen’s hands. 
 

I’d much prefer a scenario where we get Gibbs over Bijan, because the only way we get Bijan is taking him at 10, and that’s a really bad idea. 

12 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

Bijan can make Micah Parsons miss while Miles Sanders couldn’t.

And what does that change? He gets some more rush yards. Is that as valuable as potentially having Micah parsons ourselves? He was taken 12th overall.

1 minute ago, Dwide Schrude said:

All those draft picks next year…where’s our depth this year? You’re ok with Josiah Scott and Jack Driscoll as your main depth on the OL & in the secondary? 
 

We need depth, now. We’re limited on draft capital this year. Eagles won’t have the good fortune on health this year like they did last season. 

We have 3 other picks in the top 100 this year. I’m sure there will be trades in there as well. The dline options in the 1st don’t really excite me compared to the 2nd or 3rd. Our elite oline only has one 1st round pick on it and i believe we develop there better than any other position. There are good options for CB depth in the 2nd and 3rd. There are still decent options in free agency.

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

And what does that change? He gets some more rush yards. Is that as valuable as potentially having Micah parsons ourselves? He was taken 10th overall.

I’m on your side of this argument but Micah was taken at 12

1 minute ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I’m on your side of this argument but Micah was taken at 12

Oh yeah, good call

Do we want the Eagles to draft for need or do we want them to draft BPA?  I thought it was determined that drafting for need is what brings in guys like Jalen Reagor.  

If they are sitting there at 10, and there are no willing trade down partners, are we willing to say Skoronoski is better than Robinson?  Robinson would fit need and be BPA.  

If the Eagles had to draft Shady again, would they be willing to wait until the 2nd round or would they take him in the 1st?  

2 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

We have 3 other picks in the top 100 this year. I’m sure there will be trades in there as well. The dline options in the 1st don’t really excite me compared to the 2nd or 3rd. Our elite oline only has one 1st round pick on it and i believe we develop there better than any other position. There are good options for CB depth in the 2nd and 3rd. There are still decent options in free agency.

Seems like a much better idea to grab depth this year & swing for the fences next year on top talent when we have more picks at our disposal 

3 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

We don’t need a better RB than Sanders though. He was perfectly fine. He was efficient and helped sustain drives. This offense doesn’t need a dominant RB, just an effective one. Give the help to Jalen sure, but I’d rather not take the ball out of Jalen’s hands. 
 

I’d much prefer a scenario where we get Gibbs over Bijan, because the only way we get Bijan is taking him at 10, and that’s a really bad idea. 

Miles Sanders had 16 yards rushing in the Super Bowl. We had the lead going into the 4th quarter… do you watch football very often?

16 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

My point is that we have a great oline. I think adding Bijan Robinson is the most explosive addition the Eagles could make on offense this offseason. A first round pick puts him in our backfield for 5 years guaranteed, on a rookie contract.

We have no glaring holes, only position groups that need some young talent added to them. 
 

We just made the Super Bowl and are in a unique position drafting at pick 10. Why not throw the 1st round positional value rules out the window and make the most explosive upgrade you can make on offense for 2023?

Bc the draft isnt about 2023

2 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

He will improve with Bijan, maybe he didn't trust Gainwell enough. 

And maybe hurts will grow three inches taller…

This team always tell us how they view personnel if you follow them enough, and if there's one thing we have learned from Roseman it's that he does not value the running back position. He's admittedly always been a DL/OL guy and his track record shows that. So I don't know why people are talking themselves into Robinson at 10. There's a much better chance of Skoronski or Paris Johnson at 10 and I'd be fine with that. There is zero depth at OT right now and if Lane/Mailata go down again, they need a sure-fire backup who will eventually become a starter. 

Jahmyr Gibbs in this offense would be just as dynamic as Robinson, and he can be had at a later pick. 

Just now, bpac55 said:

Do we want the Eagles to draft for need or do we want them to draft BPA?  I thought it was determined that drafting for need is what brings in guys like Jalen Reagor.  

If they are sitting there at 10, and there are no willing trade down partners, are we willing to say Skoronoski is better than Robinson?  Robinson would fit need and be BPA.  

If the Eagles had to draft Shady again, would they be willing to wait until the 2nd round or would they take him in the 1st?  

Think about what we did the 5 years before we had shady. Then think about what we did the 5 years after we had shady.

Its awesome for highlight reels and really pretty stats, but what did we actually achieve as a team by drafting shady and subsequently paying him a lot of money that we didn’t when we went with a thrift store backfield?

You can do this exercise with any back who had significant draft investment. Were the AP era Vikings way better than they were before it, or than they are now, beyond the 1 year they had a HoF QB drop into their laps? Are the Dallas Cowboys not exactly the same with Zeke as they were pre-Zeke? NYG pre-Saquon?

Now picture SF without Bosa, Dallas without Micah, KC without Chris Jones. The disparity between the value of these players is so dramatic, and what they get paid on second contracts directly correlates to this.

11 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Sunday Ticket was $100 if you knew someone in college

Or military...I had them give me the college rate every year.