Why do people have Skoronski so high as a guard when he hasn't played it in college? Before the combine some were calling him one of the best pass blocking tackle prospects. Then it comes out his arms are too short to even play tackle in the NFL, and the narrative changes to him being a road grader? I don't really follow how people are calling him a plug an play payer, when he has never played guard in college or in the NFL.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t get me wrong. I think Jeff stoutland is super good at his job. He maximize the talent that he is giving it gets the most out of them. However, the Eagles best linemen besides mailata that they’ve given Jeff stoutland have come early in the draft. They gave him lane, dillard, Dickerson, cam jurgens and seumalo. Mailata is the only high end caliber starter from those late round picks and udfa. Imo herbig and vaitai are ok starters in a league desperate for quality olinemen. Dickerson, lane, seumalo are good to great starters in the league and likely jurgens when kelce retires. All were first 3 rounds.

I tend to think if you give Jeff stoutland the talent of a first, second or third round pick he is going to maximize it even more and you’ll see more Dickerson, seumalo and Lane’s where as later picks you are seeing a variety from Driscoll to pryor to vaitai to mailata. Dillard is about the only high round oline they gave stoutland that didn’t become at least an above average starter. And they really didn’t do their homework on him like they should’ve and they even said it. Jurgens jury is out still but if he excels this year that’s 4 of 5 picks. 

Dillard was just a bad pick.  He's another guy that pre-draft, reports were he didn't love playing football (looking at you Jalen Carter).  I think that goes a long, long way towards a player being successful.  If you don't love the game, aren't starting and are barely playing but you're collecting an annual multi-million dollar check, where's the drive to be the best you can be?  The best coaches in the world aren't going to change that attitude if there's no love for the game.  At least Danny Watkins knew it and got away from it.

Just found this and it's exactly what I've been saying since the combine.  Another guy that I hope they don't take.

12 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Why do people have Skoronski so high as a guard when he hasn't played it in college? Before the combine some were calling him one of the best pass blocking tackle prospects. Then it comes out his arms are too short to even play tackle in the NFL, and the narrative changes to him being a road grader? I don't really follow how people are calling him a plug an play payer, when he has never played guard in college or in the NFL.

Not that i think skoronski is Shawn andrews but the eagles when they drafted andrews, he rarely played guard (i can’t remember if he ever did) at Arkansas and was coming off 2002 and 2003 all American at tackle. They moved him to guard cause they had Thomas and runyan. Let me also point out there were a lot of angry eagles fans with that pick. I remember being on the board when that pick happened and everybody lost their mind because they wanted Steven Jackson.

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Dillard was just a bad pick.  He's another guy that pre-draft, reports were he didn't love playing football (looking at you Jalen Carter).  I think that goes a long, long way towards a player being successful.  If you don't love the game, aren't starting and are barely playing but you're collecting an annual multi-million dollar check, where's the drive to be the best you can be?  The best coaches in the world aren't going to change that attitude if there's no love for the game.  At least Danny Watkins knew it and got away from it.

I 100% agree. I don’t even blame stoutland for that. They came out and said they didn’t do all the homework because he didn’t think he was gonna be there for them to select. Which tells me if you would’ve done all the homework then you might’ve understood why teams earlier in the draft were passing on him. Cause there was some serious red flags that got brought up a couple months after drafting him by that kapadia article. That said he’s the only one so far that was taken highly that didn’t work out and i can’t really blame stoutland for some of the things the eagles didn’t know when drafting him 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Dillard was just a bad pick.  He's another guy that pre-draft, reports were he didn't love playing football (looking at you Jalen Carter).  I think that goes a long, long way towards a player being successful.  If you don't love the game, aren't starting and are barely playing but you're collecting an annual multi-million dollar check, where's the drive to be the best you can be?  The best coaches in the world aren't going to change that attitude if there's no love for the game.  At least Danny Watkins knew it and got away from it.

2019 was a terrible draft. I don’t think Dillard’s problem has been his work ethic but his physical limitations. Dillard wasn’t a bust. He wasn’t a good pick but he was beat out by a better player. He is limited and could not play RT. I don’t know how he will look as a full time starter but I think he will look ok. 

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Just found this and it's exactly what I've been saying since the combine.  Another guy that I hope they don't take.

Good athlete, epically bad tackler.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not that i think skoronski is Shawn andrews but the eagles when they drafted andrews, he rarely played guard (i can’t remember if he ever did) at Arkansas and was coming off 2002 and 2003 all American at tackle. They moved him to guard cause they had Thomas and runyan. Let me also point out there were a lot of angry eagles fans with that pick. I remember being on the board when that pick happened and everybody lost their mind because they wanted Steven Jackson.

Andrews was great until he hurt his back. 

16 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

2019 was a terrible draft. I don’t think Dillard’s problem has been his work ethic but his physical limitations. Dillard wasn’t a bust. He wasn’t a good pick but he was beat out by a better player. He is limited and could not play RT. I don’t know how he will look as a full time starter but I think he will look ok. 

I really disliked every pick in that draft. I didn’t love trading up for dillard knowing there was a big question of whether he could be an adequate run blocker. We forget because it’s been 4 years now. But one of the biggest question marks was can he run block. Because he never really had to do it at Washington state. The greatest thing everyone talked about with dillard was that he had elite feet. But he needed to add more bulk and strength and he was an older type of prospect as he was gonna be 24 in his rookie season. Then sheil dropped that story and made me dislike it even more.

i hated the JJAW pick. I didn’t love the sanders pick. I thought it was a bad running back class and they loved him but i a small part of that had to do with what else was available after josh jacobs. 

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

2019 was a terrible draft. I don’t think Dillard’s problem has been his work ethic but his physical limitations. Dillard wasn’t a bust. He wasn’t a good pick but he was beat out by a better player. He is limited and could not play RT. I don’t know how he will look as a full time starter but I think he will look ok. 

This is going to sound silly but going back to the love of the game argument. Just look at Dillard's face.  I don't recall ever seeing him look happy to be playing football.  He looked miserable.  It's the same way I feel about Jalen Carter.  Both of them just look unhappy on the field.  There's no joy, there's no passion in any expression, just dead looks waiting for the clock to hit zero.

I'm sure there are MANY NFL players who don't love playing football, but having the opportunity to make the kind of money they can makes it worth their while.  The difference is, there are guys who don't love football but are willing to put in the work and do what they can to be the best they can because they know they have an opportunity that few men get.  They bust their tail and be the best they can to make life changing money for their families.  

Then there are guys who skate by.  They don't want to be in the NFL, but they might as well.  This isn't to say that Dillard didn't work hard to rehab his injuries, but you're telling me that he couldn't put more effort in to learning RT? He was a 1st round pick but was picked to be a franchise's LT for a decade...a position that can easily lead to $100 million+ in career earnings.  Instead, he let a guy who never played football beat him out.  Now, Mailata is a freak but you're telling me a guy with Dillard's pedigree couldn't improve at all to beat him out?  My guess is he said, oh well, I'm still getting paid. 

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is going to sound silly but going back to the love of the game argument. Just look at Dillard's face.  I don't recall ever seeing him look happy to be playing football.  He looked miserable.  It's the same way I feel about Jalen Carter.  Both of them just look unhappy on the field.  There's no joy, there's no passion in any expression, just dead looks waiting for the clock to hit zero.

I'm sure there are MANY NFL players who don't love playing football, but having the opportunity to make the kind of money they can makes it worth their while.  The difference is, there are guys who don't love football but are willing to put in the work and do what they can to be the best they can because they know they have an opportunity that few men get.  They bust their tail and be the best they can to make life changing money for their families.  

Then there are guys who skate by.  They don't want to be in the NFL, but they might as well.  This isn't to say that Dillard didn't work hard to rehab his injuries, but you're telling me that he couldn't put more effort in to learning RT? He was a 1st round pick but was picked to be a franchise's LT for a decade...a position that can easily lead to $100 million+ in career earnings.  Instead, he let a guy who never played football beat him out.  Now, Mailata is a freak but you're telling me a guy with Dillard's pedigree couldn't improve at all to beat him out?  My guess is he said, oh well, I'm still getting paid. 

 

We’ll see how Dillard plays out his Tennessee contract & if everything that’s said is true. He’s making much better money now but Tennessee is a far inferior roster than ours, no Stoutland, and doesn’t prioritize OL like Eagles do. Luckily it’s a smaller market though so less scrutiny. But it’ll be interesting to see how he plays now that he’s easily a starter + is making very serious money now

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is going to sound silly but going back to the love of the game argument. Just look at Dillard's face.  I don't recall ever seeing him look happy to be playing football.  He looked miserable.  It's the same way I feel about Jalen Carter.  Both of them just look unhappy on the field.  There's no joy, there's no passion in any expression, just dead looks waiting for the clock to hit zero.

I'm sure there are MANY NFL players who don't love playing football, but having the opportunity to make the kind of money they can makes it worth their while.  The difference is, there are guys who don't love football but are willing to put in the work and do what they can to be the best they can because they know they have an opportunity that few men get.  They bust their tail and be the best they can to make life changing money for their families.  

Then there are guys who skate by.  They don't want to be in the NFL, but they might as well.  This isn't to say that Dillard didn't work hard to rehab his injuries, but you're telling me that he couldn't put more effort in to learning RT? He was a 1st round pick but was picked to be a franchise's LT for a decade...a position that can easily lead to $100 million+ in career earnings.  Instead, he let a guy who never played football beat him out.  Now, Mailata is a freak but you're telling me a guy with Dillard's pedigree couldn't improve at all to beat him out?  My guess is he said, oh well, I'm still getting paid. 

 

Sheik kapadia’s article was pretty damning in the fact dillard didn’t love the game. Reading that article and hearing the quotes from his former coaches and parents made you feel like he didn’t. I kind of compare him to Ben Simmons in the fact both of those guys just have such God-given talent that they’re able to play at a professional level. But I don’t think either one of those guys loves the game enough to be fully invested  and the drive to get themselves to greatness. The thing that Joel Embiid has is God-given talent but his mindset now and yearning to be the greatest is what drives him to get to the level that he has. Those two guys I just don’t think I have it. They do it because they were given the physical talent too and lifestyle it brings
 

44 minutes ago, uncphillyfan said:

My fourteen year old mini dachshund Swoop died today😢. Maybe he can bring us a championship!

Sorry to hear. I had to put down a 16 year old dog in early March. 

I think with Adebawore and why Eagles probably like him is that he gives them the versatility and depth at both DT and DE so if someone goes down it's not as big of a deal.  Same with Keion White

51 minutes ago, uncphillyfan said:

My fourteen year old mini dachshund Swoop died today😢. Maybe he can bring us a championship!

So sorry for your loss. 

1 minute ago, garingovt2000 said:

I think with Adebawore and why Eagles probably like him is that he gives them the versatility and depth at both DT and DE so if someone goes down it's not as big of a deal.  Same with Keion White

Basically can do things they have done with graham for years where he can play DE but also Move inside to DT. It’s why i think they liked Milton Williams so much. He could move from DT to DE 

1 hour ago, Allhaildawk said:

Because the chances of him being there at 10 seem to be dropping 

Going from +1600 to +1000 means the market believes it is MORE likely the eagles select Bijan, not less likely.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Going from +1600 to +1000 means the market believes it is MORE likely the eagles select Bijan, not less likely.

I know, I read it wrong 

 

8 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I think with Adebawore and why Eagles probably like him is that he gives them the versatility and depth at both DT and DE so if someone goes down it's not as big of a deal.  Same with Keion White

I'm all in on White with the 30 pick (if no edge taken at 10)

18 hours ago, devpool said:

I'm asking you, is Eli manning a first ballot hall for famer? I've asked twice now

I'm going with no, but I might openly admit that I hate Eli. Not sure what that has to do with T.P.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Let me say, I have a lot of respect for stoutland and his abilities to work with guys and get them to their peak. i hope jurgens plays RG at a high level but I’m not just banking on jurgens is just automatically gonna be good at right guard in his first year playing there and no chance he doesn’t have issues like seumalo did in his first attempt at starting guard in his second season.
 

Can say jurgens is a better prospect and player but Seumalo played as a rookie. Was working with stoutland as a rookie as well. His second year they wanted him to start at guard. He got benched because he wasn’t good enough yet. It took seumalo until his third year to get to the point where he was a competent starter and really after that to where he was just good.

The Eagles do not have a Stephen Wisniewski on this roster. They have driscoll who doesn’t stay healthy. frankly, the more he plays I think the more he gets exposed that you’re not good enough at guard if it comes to that. I am hoping jurgens can play right guard at a high level but i don’t think it’s as much of a certainty as others on here. 

And I hat if kelce gets hurt? RG becomes a huge liability

1 hour ago, wussbasket said:

I have a very hard time believing the Eagles would leak anything like this unless it was a smoke screen. They hardly give you any information with anything. They are definitely not going to start giving out info on who they like in the draft.

Jurgens was leaked last year. Sometimes it happens. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Jurgens was leaked last year. Sometimes it happens. 

Around the same time, too.

52 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not that i think skoronski is Shawn andrews but the eagles when they drafted andrews, he rarely played guard (i can’t remember if he ever did) at Arkansas and was coming off 2002 and 2003 all American at tackle. They moved him to guard cause they had Thomas and runyan. Let me also point out there were a lot of angry eagles fans with that pick. I remember being on the board when that pick happened and everybody lost their mind because they wanted Steven Jackson.

Wasnt that the wilfork draft too?

You know who no one is talking about us taking is easy Bryan Bresee.