18 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Would be amazing if the panthers did this lol 

 

Both would be a mistake. CJ Stroud is the way to go at number 1 overall. 

Texans are the worst run franchise in the nfl, going back to the "Bill O’Brien is the GM” fiasco, trading Hopkins for peanuts because the coach didn’t like him, the Deshaun Watson stuff, trading all pro QB assets for Laremy Tunsil, and the fact that a bad team somehow gets worse every season. They’re now in the 30’s in both total offense and total defense. How is that possible? They’ve been around for 20 years now and have a comparable  2nd millenium to the Lions and Browns. 

So when pundits say, "Texans may not draft a QB at 2”, I don’t think Will Anderson!…. I think, "It would be such a Texans move to take Bijan Robinson instead of CJ Stroud.”

22 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

 

No Thank you, not a fan of this guy. Would rather see them trade out of the 30th to gain some more picks and give a team a player they want a 5th year option on. But this kid is all over the place and not worth a first rounder in my books. 

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

No Thank you, not a fan of this guy. Would rather see them trade out of the 30th to gain some more picks and give a team a player they want a 5th year option on. But this kid is all over the place and not worth a first rounder in my books. 

I'm having my annual "Howie has to be the smartest guy in the room and see some special quality that no one else can see" panic attack about the draft. Just take the highest graded player from your scouts Howie. Do contracts, game the cap, and FAs, that's your thing. 

On 4/14/2023 at 7:17 AM, TEW said:

I wouldn’t be shocked.

I just think Howie is going to look at the draft class and want to trade down.

The problem is finding a partner to trade down with at that number 10 spot. Unless someone falls then its going to be tough to find a buyer at the price. I can see a trade down from the 30th pick since a team might want a 5th year option on a player late in the first round and wont cost as much but would get us more picks. 10 will not be as easy to trade back from then people thing. Just have to hope a team falls in love with one of the players and gets scared. 

On 4/13/2023 at 8:47 PM, devpool said:

I'm asking you, is Eli manning a first ballot hall for famer? I've asked twice now

His family name and 2 SBs is all you need to make it an easy answer of "Yes". Should he be is the better question to ask. 

On 4/13/2023 at 9:44 PM, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’ll be shocked if only 2 offensive players get taken 

Id be more shocked if Howie is not taking any players from Alabama and Georgia. He seems to be on a streak going with the top schools over the past few years. 

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

His family name and 2 SBs is all you need to make it an easy answer of "Yes". How should he be is the better question to ask. 

He played 16 years and never missed a game due to injury. That doesn't even seem possible. He was really good going on the road for three straight playoffs games in 2007 and beat the undefeated Pats. 2 time super Bowl MVP and was clutch in the playoffs and Super Bowls. I know it's tough to admit but he did enough to make it in. He was average a lot during the regular seasons but some of them teams later on in his career weren't great. He played forever, threw for a ton of yards and has the super bowl MVP's and clutch underdog wins under his belt. The Manning name and being a good old boy in the league just cements any arguments against some of his average years and his win/loss percentage which he shouldn't really take a 100% of the blame for. 

Sixers time

21 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

He played 16 years and never missed a game due to injury. That doesn't even seem possible. He was really good going on the road for three straight playoffs games in 2007 and beat the undefeated Pats. 2 time super Bowl MVP and was clutch in the playoffs and Super Bowls. I know it's tough to admit but he did enough to make it in. He was average a lot during the regular seasons but some of them teams later on in his career weren't great. He played forever, threw for a ton of yards and has the super bowl MVP's and clutch underdog wins under his belt. The Manning name and being a good old boy in the league just cements any arguments against some of his average years and his win/loss percentage which he shouldn't really take a 100% of the blame for. 

Eli is absolutely a HoF caliber Qb. We shouldn’t be giving out gold jackets to every Phillip Rivers and Tony Romo who accumulated fancy statlines, we should be giving them out to players who did things that mattered.

Top of your head, best playoff performers at QB over the last quarter decade?

1. Tom

2. Pat

3. Peyton

4. Roethlisberger

5. Not Aaron, not Kurt, not Drew, Not Brett, not Russell… it’s Eli. Dude won 8 of 9 playoff games between 2007-2011 with 9 and 10 win teams. If he just retired right there he still probably makes it in. 

Then you can get into the stats and accolades like 3rd best Ironman streak at QB in nfl history, top 10 yards and TDs, best QB in the history of the most important city in sports. All that will have an impact. You can not tell the story of the NFL without Eli Manning.

I don’t think he’s first ballot, but it’s implausible for him not to make it in a decade from now

33 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Eli is absolutely a HoF caliber Qb. We shouldn’t be giving out gold jackets to every Phillip Rivers and Tony Romo who accumulated fancy statlines, we should be giving them out to players who did things that mattered.

Top of your head, best playoff performers at QB over the last quarter decade?

1. Tom

2. Pat

3. Peyton

4. Roethlisberger

5. Not Aaron, not Kurt, not Drew, Not Brett, not Russell… it’s Eli. Dude won 8 of 9 playoff games between 2007-2011 with 9 and 10 win teams. If he just retired right there he still probably makes it in. 

Then you can get into the stats and accolades like 3rd best Ironman streak at QB in nfl history, top 10 yards and TDs, best QB in the history of the most important city in sports. All that will have an impact. You can not tell the story of the NFL without Eli Manning.

I don’t think he’s first ballot, but it’s implausible for him not to make it in a decade from now

Peyton was a lot of things in the great category, but the playoffs were his mortal enemy.  Oddly enough you brought up Rivers...who was an amazing QB held back by poor coaching in his prime and so-so teams.

IRT Eli...he was abysmal against the team that mattered most.  There's some green tinted glasses involved, but Eli was the Eagles **** his entire career.

Eli will definitely be in the HOF. Two time SB winner and one of the best playoff performers at the position in recent times. 

5 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Peyton was a lot of things in the great category, but the playoffs were his mortal enemy.  Oddly enough you brought up Rivers...who was an amazing QB held back by poor coaching in his prime and so-so teams.

IRT Eli...he was abysmal against the team that mattered most.  There's some green tinted glasses involved, but Eli was the Eagles **** his entire career.

I say this biased as a fan of what Peyton has done at the position, but many of his playoff failures were not the result of choking.  He had the Patriots DBs assaulting his WRs for many of those games, which led to the over-utilization of the no-contact rules today.  

Granted, he did come up small in a few playoff games himself, but there were some extracurricular things involved in some of his failures.

13 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Peyton was a lot of things in the great category, but the playoffs were his mortal enemy.  Oddly enough you brought up Rivers...who was an amazing QB held back by poor coaching in his prime and so-so teams.

IRT Eli...he was abysmal against the team that mattered most.  There's some green tinted glasses involved, but Eli was the Eagles **** his entire career.

How many times did Eli lose to the Eagles when his team was clearly superior? Context is something rarely brought up with these discussions. We were very good for a lot of his career… and his team wasn’t. 
 

Absolutely, unconditionally Rivers had better average talent throughout his career than Eli did. He played on a LOT of teams with very good defenses. 

I believe the Cardinals favorites for Richardson implies the 3rd overall pick for Richardson, as in a trade. And the fact that Indy and LV have very low odds for a QB in their spots indicates those are the teams expected to move up

Falcons and Raiders picks are really up in the air. Top 10 can go all kinds of ways

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I say this biased as a fan of what Peyton has done at the position, but many of his playoff failures were not the result of choking.  He had the Patriots DBs assaulting his WRs for many of those games, which led to the over-utilization of the no-contact rules today.  

Granted, he did come up small in a few playoff games himself, but there were some extracurricular things involved in some of his failures.

Manning has a winning PO record against Brady shockingly.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/peyton-manning-playoff-record

Also...I don't know that it will all work out.  In fact, much of it probably WON'T work out.  But under the circumstances and constraints, I like what Howie did this offseason.

1. He avoided over-extending himself and retaining our key, big name vets.  This will make the team worse in 2023, but better beyond.

2. He kept the pieces that would have created gaping holes by preserving the starting CBs.  (You can hide a deficiency at DT or S and fairly easily find serviceable parts...a liability at CB is hard to run away from...and it pigeon holes you in the draft).

3. He is trusting his process and his draft picks, rather than spending untold millions just to keep his premium picks on the bench (Davis, Williams, Dean, Jurgens)..

4. He went for high upside players with his bargain bin shopping.  This is a very logical thing to do that most GMs just won't touch.  If you can only choose between a player that you KNOW isn't very good versus a player who might actually be great, but will probably either suck or get hurt...why not take a swing instead of bunting with the bases empty?

5. Minority hires at OC/DC.  Draft picks.

I would have been in on Mecole Hardman or Parris Campbell...they bring speed to the offense and some playmaking agility underneath, 2 things that would be really nice to add.  But neither have found much success in the NFL so far, so I understand rolling with Watkins for a year and then (ideally) trying to draft those traits in 2024.

Just don't screw up the draft.

I mentioned this earlier in the offseason but i figured they’d just tank this year and they were highly likely the worst team in the league anyway and go get Caleb Williams next year and then deal murray. But BR made the argument for them to do it this year 

Still, the Cardinals could save $3 million against the 2023 cap by trading Murray after June 1, per Spotrac. His ongoing recovery from the ACL tear might throw a wrench into that, but the fact even a 2024 trade would create significant cap savings for the Cardinals ($38.9 million) could cause them to consider taking C.J. Stroud, Bryce Young or Anthony Richardson with the No. 3 overall pick.

Arizona could take one of those guys now and then trade Murray for a slew of 2024 draft capital this summer or fall. Although the Cardinals aren’t expected to be a serious contender in 2023, that would make them one of the NFL’s most intriguing squads in 2024.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mentioned this earlier in the offseason but i figured they’d just tank this year and they were highly likely the worst team in the league anyway and go get Caleb Williams next year and then deal murray. But BR made the argument for them to do it this year 

Still, the Cardinals could save $3 million against the 2023 cap by trading Murray after June 1, per Spotrac. His ongoing recovery from the ACL tear might throw a wrench into that, but the fact even a 2024 trade would create significant cap savings for the Cardinals ($38.9 million) could cause them to consider taking C.J. Stroud, Bryce Young or Anthony Richardson with the No. 3 overall pick.

Arizona could take one of those guys now and then trade Murray for a slew of 2024 draft capital this summer or fall. Although the Cardinals aren’t expected to be a serious contender in 2023, that would make them one of the NFL’s most intriguing squads in 2024.

1. Ravens trade for Kyler and Deandre, don’t have to pay KM a fully guaranteed contract, and a lot of his guarantees are already paid out by ARI(signing bonus, year 1 salary, year 2 roster bonus).

2. Then move Lamar to Indy for 2024 and 2025 1st rounders. Indy trades down with Oakland and takes Paris Johnson 7th overall.

3. Arizona drafts Stroud at 3 and has Baltimore’s other pick to get him Bijan Robinson…

 

Is everyone better off?

2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

1. Ravens trade for Kyler and Deandre, don’t have to pay KM a fully guaranteed contract, and a lot of his guarantees are already paid out by ARI(signing bonus, year 1 salary, year 2 roster bonus).

2. Then move Lamar to Indy for 2024 and 2025 1st rounders. Indy trades down with Oakland and takes Bijan 7th overall.

3. Arizona drafts Stroud at 3 and has Baltimore’s other pick to get him Broderick Jones…

 

Is everyone better off?

Why would Indy take Bijan 7th overall?

Just now, MillerTime said:

Why would Indy take Bijan 7th overall?

Yeah I edited that, forgot about the Indy RB

3 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

1. Ravens trade for Kyler and Deandre, don’t have to pay KM a fully guaranteed contract, and a lot of his guarantees are already paid out by ARI(signing bonus, year 1 salary, year 2 roster bonus).

2. Then move Lamar to Indy for 2024 and 2025 1st rounders. Indy trades down with Oakland and takes Bijan 7th overall.

3. Arizona drafts Stroud at 3 and has Baltimore’s other pick to get him Broderick Jones…

 

Is everyone better off?

I’m not a murray fan. I think he’s overrated and the cardinals shouldn’t have paid him. That said my belief was always they were very likely the worst team in the league in 2023. Problem for the cardinals is if they do this trade before the draft it’s 59 mil of dead money and a 43 mil cap hit. So it’s not gonna happen prior. Has to be a post June 1st trade. So post June 1st when the cardinals clear $3 mil or 2024 makes more sense for when this trade goes down which means they likely aren’t getting that ravens 2023 first rounder. 

If I’m the cardinals I likely just tank this year which isn’t really tanking that roster sucks and about to deal Hopkins and baker so getting worse. Next offseason explore dealing murray when good chance I’m picking no. 1 and can take Williams. Unless they love stroud, Richardson or levis. Then take the Qb and look to deal murray after June 1. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Unless they love stroud, Richardson or levis. Then take the Qb and look to deal murray after June 1. 

Thing is… and I get the need to have your long term QB in place but they wouldn’t be giving him much to work with if they did go that way this year. 

Embiid is going to break his orbital bone again isn't he?

7 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Thing is… and I get the need to have your long term QB in place but they wouldn’t be giving him much to work with if they did go that way this year. 

Huh murray tore his acl in December and didn’t have surgery til January. He’s likely out til November if not even later. So if they drafted one of those kids they are likely playing right away. Even if they don’t murray is out til likely November and they are likely not very good anyway 

Rumors for months is they are trying to deal Hopkins as Hopkins also wants out. Still have Hollywood brown, ertz (when he returns) and James Conner there.