8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Embiid is going to break his orbital bone again isn't he?

Yeah but we are getting playoff PJ lol 

It’s bball Paul’s world we are just living in it 

 

11 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I say this biased as a fan of what Peyton has done at the position, but many of his playoff failures were not the result of choking.  He had the Patriots DBs assaulting his WRs for many of those games, which led to the over-utilization of the no-contact rules today.  

Granted, he did come up small in a few playoff games himself, but there were some extracurricular things involved in some of his failures.

I remember some playoff games where Peyton put up insane numbers in comfortable Colts victories, and all the naysayers could come up with to criticize him was to say, well, he hasn’t won a Super Bowl yet and that’s what matters. Just win one, they said, and we’ll agree to his greatness. Then when he finally won one, those same people argued that he didn’t put up good numbers in the Super Bowl, and THAT’S what really matters. The truth is, Peyton was always one of the greatest players (not just quarterbacks) in league history and people who couldn’t recognize that deserve to be ridiculed for their lack of football acumen.

Obviously everyone knows that Eli wasn’t nearly as good. But he got hot at the right time — credit to him — and he played in New York, so he’s pretty much a lock for the HOF. 

Pumphrey baby!!! 

 

3 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

His family name and 2 SBs is all you need to make it an easy answer of "Yes". Should he be is the better question to ask. 

He shouldn't be in, he was the definition of average. But even if he wasn't a manning he would still be getting considered, that pedigree just makes it a guarantee. 

As it relates to T.P., he played for one of the most prestigious franchises ever and thats most of the reason he got in first ballot

30 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I remember some playoff games where Peyton put up insane numbers in comfortable Colts victories, and all the naysayers could come up with to criticize him was to say, well, he hasn’t won a Super Bowl yet and that’s what matters. Just win one, they said, and we’ll agree to his greatness. Then when he finally won one, those same people argued that he didn’t put up good numbers in the Super Bowl, and THAT’S what really matters. The truth is, Peyton was always one of the greatest players (not just quarterbacks) in league history and people who couldn’t recognize that deserve to be ridiculed for their lack of football acumen.

Obviously everyone know that Eli wasn’t nearly as good. But he got hot at the right time — credit to him — and he played in New York, so he’s pretty much a lock for the HOF. 

I wouldn't even call him "hot" during the 2007 run. The defense did a lot of the heavy lifting. They held Favre, Romo and Brady to 17 PPG. If not for the miracle catch, that playoff run would have been viewed as very pedestrian for him.

3 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

The problem is finding a partner to trade down with at that number 10 spot. Unless someone falls then its going to be tough to find a buyer at the price. I can see a trade down from the 30th pick since a team might want a 5th year option on a player late in the first round and wont cost as much but would get us more picks. 10 will not be as easy to trade back from then people thing. Just have to hope a team falls in love with one of the players and gets scared. 

I understand your concern. The way I look at it is that teams will probably be very picky in this draft precisely because it’s not top heavy.

There are a couple QBs teams might trade up for, obviously Carter might fall, a couple CBS and DEs.

I think we’ll have an opportunity. It might not be a blockbuster involving multiple high picks, but even moving down 3 or 4 spots to grab an extra top 100 pick would help.

There are many different criteria that get players into a HOF.  It’s not needed to have all of them; some guys only qualify for one of them:

Number of championships 

Number of All-Star selections

Prestigious records held

Longevity (especially if it’s with one team)

Revolutionizing a position by playing style

Being a coat-tail rider on many champions teams 

27 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There are many different criteria that get players into a HOF.  It’s not needed to have all of them; some guys only qualify for one of them:

Number of championships 

Number of All-Star selections

Prestigious records held

Longevity (especially if it’s with one team)

Revolutionizing a position by playing style

Being a coat-tail rider on many champions teams 

Does swag count?

1 hour ago, TEW said:

I understand your concern. The way I look at it is that teams will probably be very picky in this draft precisely because it’s not top heavy.

There are a couple QBs teams might trade up for, obviously Carter might fall, a couple CBS and DEs.

I think we’ll have an opportunity. It might not be a blockbuster involving multiple high picks, but even moving down 3 or 4 spots to grab an extra top 100 pick would help.

Depends entirely on hitting on both

whats a 3rd rounder make? More than vet min?

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Depends entirely on hitting on both

whats a 3rd rounder make? More than vet min?

Everything depends on "hitting.”

At least this way you hedge your chances between 2 players.

A third rounder makes about $850K per year (more or less depending on the exact pick). The veteran minimum contract for a player with 2 years or more experience is $940K. And you have the rookie locked up for 4 years at a lower price.

Third round picks have a fairly high value in my view. About a 30% chance of becoming a quality starter from the studies I’ve read.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Pumphrey baby!!! 

 

And Howie took Pumphrey ...😒

I’m still ticked off that they took Pumphrey ahead of Fournette, McCaffrey, Kamara, and Cook, all of whom were definitely available in the fourth round.

I just wish we could turn back the clock to the spring of 2017 and get a re-do. I’m sure things would work out better.

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I’m still ticked off that they took Pumphrey ahead of Fournette, McCaffrey, Kamara, and Cook, all of whom were definitely available in the fourth round.

I just wish we could turn back the clock to the spring of 2017 and get a re-do. I’m sure things would work out better.

I understand the point you're making but Howie has a tendency to ignore the strengths of the draft until it's too late or he tries to get an UDFA from that class claiming that because of the amount of good players you can just sign one.  That's how why they ended up with Corey Clement...who of course played a big role in SB52 but his career hasn't been great.

Rather than take the top talent of a loaded class, Howie would rather have the lowest just because they get pushed down.

26 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I’m still ticked off that they took Pumphrey ahead of Fournette, McCaffrey, Kamara, and Cook, all of whom were definitely available in the fourth round.

I just wish we could turn back the clock to the spring of 2017 and get a re-do. I’m sure things would work out better.

Tbh there were chances outside of the first round and they waited cause they ranked it as a deep class. guys went off the board and they grabbed other positions that also didn’t workout great.

i was one of the people who wanted marlon Mack who went after pumphrey. And there’s guys after pumphrey who went after like aaron jones, Wayne gallman, Mack and jamaal Williams. Gallman isn’t great but at least he played snaps in the nfl. Eagles also had picks to maneuver to get someone like cook, mixon, kamara and conner. They decided to draft sidney jones and Douglas. Then just use 4ths on Mack hollins and pumphrey 

Also, let’s not pretend the reason the Eagles drafted Pumphrey wasnt because many believed he could be Sproles 2.0. That was discussed from the day he was drafted.  It was a mistake as he never had one single NFL carry in the regular season. That’s pretty bad any way you slice it. 

tbh the only pick rounds 4-7 that have been worse since 2016 is likely Clayton thorson who didn’t even make it through preseason/training camp. Also Alex McAllister but he went in 7th round  

3 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I remember some playoff games where Peyton put up insane numbers in comfortable Colts victories, and all the naysayers could come up with to criticize him was to say, well, he hasn’t won a Super Bowl yet and that’s what matters. Just win one, they said, and we’ll agree to his greatness. Then when he finally won one, those same people argued that he didn’t put up good numbers in the Super Bowl, and THAT’S what really matters. The truth is, Peyton was always one of the greatest players (not just quarterbacks) in league history and people who couldn’t recognize that deserve to be ridiculed for their lack of football acumen.

Obviously everyone know that Eli wasn’t nearly as good. But he got hot at the right time — credit to him — and he played in New York, so he’s pretty much a lock for the HOF. 

I think it's incredibly fair to acknowledge that Peyton was one of the best, period, to play the game...but he struggled a lot in the playoffs.  Denver's D carrying his corpse to that last SB win was the only reason he retired with a winning playoff record.

Kamara was the guy I really wanted that year. I was pissed the Saints took him. I swear to Fing god that franchise always steals players I want. They did it with Cooks too. It's one of the many reason the Saints are probably my most hated non rival team. I just loathe everything about that franchise.

Tyjae Spears reminds me a lot of Kamara with his skill set. Maybe they can right a wrong this time around.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Kamara was the guy I really wanted that year. I was pissed the Saints took him. I swear to Fing god that franchise always steals players I want. They did it with Cooks too. It's one of the many reason the Saints are probably my most hated non rival team. I just loathe everything about that franchise.

Tyjae Spears reminds me a lot of Kamara with his skill set. Maybe they can right a wrong this time around.

Actually did it twice in that draft. I wanted Lattimore they took him and we went Barnett (granted i think eagles take Barnett anyway). And they took kamara when they had Ingram coming off his best year as a pro. 

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh there were chances outside of the first round and they waited cause they ranked it as a deep class.

Huh…

10 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Huh…

That draft class was considered a deep running back class. They waited cause they thought they could address other positions and eventually still get a good RB in later rounds other than 1st and 2nd round. They didn’t need to be able to draft fournette or cmc to get a good back in that class to have success. Cmc and fournette they didn’t have a chance at. They did have opportunities to move up or take cook, Kamara, mixon but decided to wait and address other positions. 

As the Phillies get blown out again and have one of the worst records in baseball I hearken back to when I thought the Phillies had an awful free agency and people were over the moon for Trey-uh and that bum Taijuan Walker. And of course after that the only thing they did was add overrated or over the hill relievers. And that front office's obsession with utility players who can play multiple positions on defense but can't hit a lick continues to be baffling.

I know the injuries have been a part of it, but it seems like once a week they need a position player pitching because they're so getting blown out.

They butchered that offseason with dumb move after dumb move and now they're paying for it.

 

17 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

As the Phillies get blown out again and have one of the worst records in baseball I hearken back to when I thought the Phillies had an awful free agency and people were over the moon for Trey-uh and that bum Taijuan Walker. And of course after that the only thing they did was add overrated or over the hill relievers. And that front office's obsession with utility players who can play multiple positions on defense but can't hit a lick continues to be baffling.

I know the injuries have been a part of it, but it seems like once a week they need a position player pitching because they're so getting blown out.

They butchered that offseason with dumb move after dumb move and now they're paying for it.

 

Trae turner is far from the Phillies biggest issue. Realmuto and schwarber hitting like crap with runners in scoring position. Turner and stott are on bases almost routinely ( one is close to .400 OBP and the other close to .350) and those two (schwarber and realmuto) have done Jack most of the time to drive them in. Heck even castellanos has been better than both of those guys. Also not having harper and hoskins.

Their bullpen is a freaking disaster. They’ve pitched 52 innings this year and given up 44 ERs, 64 hits and 38 walks. That’s not just the guys they signed. dominguez has been the worst out of all of them  

Walker’s stats are similar to wheeler right now (wheeler has a 4.02 ERA, 1.40 WHIP and 18 Ks and walker who is supposed to be the 4th starter has a 4.20 era, 1.40 WHIP and 14ks). Walker is actually gotten better each start. He is also not their biggest issue starting. It’s nola having a 7 era and wheeler a 4.02 and down 2 starters so falter has to continue starting where eventually that was catching up to them and strahm should be in the one helping out but painter and Suarez out they can’t. 

Is Jim Nantz accusing his critics of racism?  Blog logic says yes.

 

Jim Nantz Hits Back at Tony Romo Critics: ‘When Somebody Starts Questioning Our Chemistry, There’s an Agenda There’

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/04/13/jim-nantz-tony-romo-cbs-criticism-nfl?utm_source=reddit.com

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Trae turner is far from the Phillies biggest issue. Realmuto and schwarber hitting like crap with runners in scoring position. Turner and stott are on bases almost routinely and those two (schwarber and realmuto) have done Jack most of the time to drive them in. Heck even castellanos has been better than both of those guys. Also not having harper and hoskins.

Their bullpen is a freaking disaster. They’ve pitched 52 innings this year and given up 44 ERs, 64 hits and 38 walks. That’s not just the guys they signed. dominguez has been the worst out of all of them  

Walker’s stats are similar to wheeler right now. Walker is actually gotten better each start. He is also not their biggest issue starting. It’s nola having a 7 era and wheeler a 4.02 and down 2 starters so falter has to continue starting where eventually that was catching up to them and strahm should be in the one helping out but painter and Suarez out they can’t. 

When you spend 300m on a player, they need to be the run producers, not the place setters. Middle of the lineup guys, not top of the lineup guys. People looked at Turner's fraud HR numbers and mistook him for a guy who has power. He really doesn't. He's always been a guy who will put the ball in play and get doubles and singles. The Phillies should've signed Bogaerts if they had to sign one big contract. He's simply a better offensive player and he's going to consistently drive the ball and with power consistently. The Dodgers just let Turner walk. And the Nationals used him as a throw-in in the Scherzer trade. It should be a sign when two teams just let the guy go if he's a supposed "top 5 player in baseball."

Is Turner the biggest problem? No. But I said before they should've used that money on a guy like Rodon and a lesser priced bat(Yes, I know Rodon is hurt). Or multiple high priced bats instead of one super high priced bat.

But it isn't really about just him. Every other move they made was stupid. I said months ago they should've kept Eflin. He has great stuff and was dominating for Tampa before he tweaked his back. I thought he had a lot of potential left to grow. And he got a very modest contract. Probably the best value of any starting pitcher signed in all of free agency. People in this city are always way too hard on our own when it comes to the Phillies. So ungrateful for Nola, last year were saying Realmuto was a has-been in May before he started to get hot. No appreciation for a guy like Eflin who was a really good middle of the rotation starter.

And this front office has no idea how to evaluate bullpen arms. Or bench bats.

But this team is still an offensive team as they've been and when this team isn't driving in runs and many of them, they're going to lose badly. Right now they aren't hitting for power and they aren't hitting with RISP. Pitching aside, they have no chance when this offense isn't rolling.

26 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

When you spend 300m on a player, they need to be the run producers, not the place setters. Middle of the lineup guys, not top of the lineup guys. People looked at Turner's fraud HR numbers and mistook him for a guy who has power. He really doesn't. He's always been a guy who will put the ball in play and get doubles and singles. The Phillies should've signed Bogaerts if they had to sign one big contract. He's simply a better offensive player and he's going to consistently drive the ball and with power consistently. The Dodgers just let Turner walk. And the Nationals used him as a throw-in in the Scherzer trade. It should be a sign when two teams just let the guy go if he's a supposed "top 5 player in baseball."

Is Turner the biggest problem? No. But I said before they should've used that money on a guy like Rodon and a lesser priced bat(Yes, I know Rodon is hurt). Or multiple high priced bats instead of one super high priced bat.

But it isn't really about just him. Every other move they made was stupid. I said months ago they should've kept Eflin. He has great stuff and was dominating for Tampa before he tweaked his back. I thought he had a lot of potential left to grow. And he got a very modest contract. Probably the best value of any starting pitcher signed in all of free agency. People in this city are always way too hard on our own when it comes to the Phillies. So ungrateful for Nola, last year were saying Realmuto was a has-been in May before he started to get hot. No appreciation for a guy like Eflin who was a really good middle of the rotation starter.

And this front office has no idea how to evaluate bullpen arms. Or bench bats.

But this team is still an offensive team as they've been and when this team isn't driving in runs and many of them, they're going to lose badly. Right now they aren't hitting for power and they aren't hitting with RISP. Pitching aside, they have no chance when this offense isn't rolling.

Lol so what’s your excuse for JT Realmuto getting paid 23.1 mil per and over 100 mil doing what he is and Kyle Schwarber getting paid 19.8 mil making a producing even less than Turner and worse defensively? Because those two guys happen to be the two worst hitter on the entire team that consistently play. considering the fact they are in the middle of the lineup and consistently up with guys on base and have done next to Jack squat. Heck I’m guessing if Turner got moved to cleanup, his RBI numbers look much better than schwarber and realmuto.

So you know the Phillies were first in batting average heading into the game today. Thank you Turner, stott, bohm, castellanos and marsh. Guess who has the two worst averages on the team as every day starters? Kyle Schwarber and jt realmuto. So if you wanna **** about turner, you should really open your Fing mouth about the 2 other guys who’ve been far worse and also GETTING PAID TOO. 

You obsess about Turner but yet ignoring how damn awful schwarber and relamuto have been this year with RISP as Turner hitting over .300 and stott over .350 and on base for them every game. If schwarber and realmuto just hit .250 with RISP the Phillies likely have 2-3 more wins 

also when turner leads off no one else is on base. Add on the bottom of the lineup besides marsh dont get on and they’ve moved marsh up in the lineup. Pache and cave blow so turner isn’t exactly getting the opportunities like realmuto and schwarber to actually make a huge difference with RISP 

Here’s a cool fact for you, Carlos rodon hasn’t even pitch this year due to a back and forearm issue. So please explain to me how Carlos Rodon is going to help the Phillies starting the year when he’s not even available to pitch yet? Meanwhile, one of the reasons people were skeptical to give rodon the money was because in back to back years he had like 7 and 2 starts so many worried that he wouldnt stay healthy consistently going forward once you paid him at 30 with the years you’d have to give. It is an a good thing that when the season starts he’s not able to pitch annd already out. So you know you’re a great plan of rodon would not be Fing helping right now. They frankly would be even worse spot cause at least Turner is at least hitting the baseball and playing 

so you were gonna give Zach Eflin that type of money knowing that later in the year he’s gonna have any injury and miss two months? Yes that seems like a smart plan knowing Zach Eflin’s injury history to give him that type of money and assume he’s not gonna get hurt. Brilliant strategy really. Eflin’s problem has really never been on the mound. It’s staying healthy. If you’re gonna bet on him staying healthy with his injury history then you are delusional.

Bullpen is an issue cause guys who came back have regressed besides Alvarado and soto, kimbrel and marte stink. Soto is really the only surprise. Kimbrel was not good with the dodgers last year. Why they didn’t put him on postseason roster. Soto should be better I’m guessing he improves as the season goes along. Marte sucks. He sucked with the giants but was basically nothing trade where they hoped they could work with him due to his arm.