1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Yep. All while maintaining flexibility to build around him now. The cap will go up, but the medicine will still be hard to swallow. But overall it’s a solid strategy for a win-now team. Howie needs to hit on some picks to keep the roster viable, especially on defense. There’s very little proven talent on that side, and no foundational players to speak of yet. 

Which is likely the critical flaw in the plan

If folks believe this is a "weak draft" for top-end talent, I'm not sure why anyone would think the Texans would trade out of the #2 pick.  If they're set on Bryce Young at QB (which would be unbelievably stupid) and the Panthers draft Young #1 (also stupid) I can't imagine the Texans wouldn't simply take Will Anderson at #2.

Jerry Hughes led them with 9 sacks in 2022 -- and he's 34 years old.  No one else had more than 5.5 sacks.  Picking Anderson would seem like a no-brainer.  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

If folks believe this is a "weak draft" for top-end talent, I'm not sure why anyone would think the Texans would trade out of the #2 pick.  If they're set on Bryce Young at QB (which would be unbelievably stupid) and the Panthers draft Young #1 (also stupid) I can't imagine the Texans wouldn't simply take Will Anderson at #2.

Jerry Hughes led them with 9 sacks in 2022 -- and he's 34 years old.  No one else had more than 5.5 sacks.  Picking Anderson would seem like a no-brainer.  

Lance Zierlein said there are whispers that Will Anderson has a perfect prospect grade by the Texans. 

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I don’t agree that either Skoronski or Johnson or Jones would be the Day One starter at RG.  You do that and Jurgens sits on the bench for a second year.  That is less desirable than having the #10 pick have a red shirt year.

I think you're right here. Our greatest OL need is a third tackle, preferably one who can play both sides. I guess I'm higher on Jurgens than most here; I think he's going to be a star and I don't want him sitting.

 

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You have made my argument for me,  Toast hates on style.  It isn’t about the person playing the style.  It is not personal.  

Exactly. He deals in probability while arguing for the approach that has an incredibly poor track record of winning in the playoffs lets alone delivering a ring

this approach is how you make a bad tram competitive. Not win a title. I have no interest in celebrating mediocrity while beating up on poor to mediocre teams

1 minute ago, just relax said:

I think you're right here. Our greatest OL need is a third tackle, preferably one who can play both sides. I guess I'm higher on Jurgens than most here; I think he's going to be a star and I don't want him sitting.

How do you feel about Blake Freeland for third tackle? Seems like he would be a good prospect in the 3rd with a ton of upside.

There are a ton of Dline players at the end of the 1st and 2nd round that I like as much as the 1st round guys not named Will Anderson. 

 

2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

If they manage to win another ring Howie can retire and leave that mess for the next guy

That kind of feels like the plan.

I'm not emotionally attached to this draft.

I didn't have time this year to do research, to have my own strategy, or to be in love with any names.  Just don't draft someone with a glass ceiling on their upside or inadequate measurables for the position (ie Barnett).  Otherwise, I'll just enjoy the day and will see how it plays out.

Very unlike me...I'm usually very stubborn and get irritated when Howie deviates from my plan, which is typically perfect.

41 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

For the "Cap doesn't matter" crowd.

Kinda surprised Donald hasn't retired or requested a trade. 

Rams first round picks since taking Goff #1 overall:

 

 

 

That's the list.  (And a big reason why I was saying they would be a bottom 5 team within 3 years of that Super Bowl)

10 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

How do you feel about Blake Freeland for third tackle? Seems like he would be a good prospect in the 3rd with a ton of upside.

There are a ton of Dline players at the end of the 1st and 2nd round that I like as much as the 1st round guys not named Will Anderson. 

 

I like Freelands potential alot. Tackle only but seems like the type of athlete Stout would love

3 minutes ago, paco said:

Rams first round picks since taking Goff #1 overall:

 

 

 

That's the list.

Sneads approach is an interesting case study. He was "successful" I suppose getting to two Super Bowls and winning one, but that team is going to be bad for a while now. I think I'd rather have sustained success like the 2000 era Eagles even though they never won the big one. Easy to say in a vacuum that winning the Super Bowl is all that matters but sitting through 3+ years of being a dumpster fire is a hard ask. So many of this fan base said "If we win the Super Bowl we can stink for the next 10 years and not care" only to be complaining by 2019. 

12 hours ago, Cliftoma said:

Having two speed rushers on the outside is a good problem to have.  Smith is excellent against the run with insane change of direction.  The other DEs on the roster Sweat, Graham and Barnett are more traditional bigger DEs.  

In the end, if we are picking top 10, we need to go for upside.  Paris Johnson (who I think will be picked before) and Smith are 2 of the players on the lines that distinguish themselves with a potential to drop to 10.  Smith just fits in with what Howie is trying to to do in recent drafts.  Hard worker, loves the game and is a physical freak of nature.

Love Smith’s bend so I am curious why he declined to run the 3 cone and short shuttle.  I also loved Kyron Johnson’s bend.  Before someone posts Johnson’s RAS next to Smith’s, note what Johnson performed that Smith didn’t.  Similar speed and explosion.  Kyron is a couple inches shorter and weighs a few pounds less.  Patrick Johnson is no slouch either and big enough at 248 that he plays some DE.  Albeit against lesser competition Patrick had the better college stats of the three and was better in coverage.  Kyron was a forced fumble machine.  Kyron could barely get active last year behind Reddick and Patrick. As much as I love Nolan’s athleticism, I suspect the Eagles, if they draft a DE, likely go larger.  

The draft choice should indeed be BAP but also fit into future roster openings.  Not an upgrade to Reddick at this time at SAM and moving Patrick Johnson down the depth chart isn’t the type of upgrade we would hope #10 offers.  Not sure Smith is big enough to play strictly DE.  At DE, Sweat is the starter.  In 5/2, it’s split time with Barnett and Graham this year.  Robinson looks like a JAG. So the DE spot sure looks like the Barnett slot, possibly even this year.  Hence my thought is a bigger DE seems more likely.  

9 minutes ago, paco said:

Rams first round picks since taking Goff #1 overall:

 

 

 

That's the list.  (And a big reason why I was saying they would be a bottom 5 team within 3 years of that Super Bowl)

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sneads approach is an interesting case study. He was "successful" I suppose getting to two Super Bowls and winning one, but that team is going to be bad for a while now. I think I'd rather have sustained success like the 2000 era Eagles even though they never won the big one. Easy to say in a vacuum that winning the Super Bowl is all that matters but sitting through 3+ years of being a dumpster fire is a hard ask. So many of this fan base said "If we win the Super Bowl we can stink for the next 10 years and not care" only to be complaining by 2019. 

They're an indirect parallel to the MLB equivalent -- the Florida Marlins of twenty-some years ago.  Two World Series titles and very little else.   

9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Love Smith’s bend so I am curious why he declined to run the 3 cone and short shuttle.  I also loved Kyron Johnson’s bend.  Before someone posts Johnson’s RAS next to Smith’s, note what Johnson performed that Smith didn’t.  Similar speed and explosion.  Kyron is a couple inches shorter and weighs a few pounds less.  Patrick Johnson is no slouch either and big enough at 248 that he plays some DE.  Albeit against lesser competition Patrick had the better college stats of the three and was better in coverage.  Kyron was a forced fumble machine.  Kyron could barely get active last year behind Reddick and Patrick. As much as I love Nolan’s athleticism, I suspect the Eagles, if they draft a DE, likely go larger.  

The draft choice should indeed be BAP but also fit into future roster openings.  Not an upgrade to Reddick at this time at SAM and moving Patrick Johnson down the depth chart isn’t the type of upgrade we would hope #10 offers.  Not sure Smith is big enough to play strictly DE.  At DE, Sweat is the starter.  In 5/2, it’s split time with Barnett and Graham this year.  Robinson looks like a JAG. So the DE spot sure looks like the Barnett slot, possibly even this year.  Hence my thought is a bigger DE seems more likely.  

But do the bigger DE's Miles Murphy or Lukas Van Ness really get you excited at 10?  Murphy wasn't that great last year but there are rumors he might have been injures. On tape, you just  don't see the freak athlete that everyone says he is. 

Van Ness is a one trick pony with only a bull rush and not much else.  

Given the choice between those 2 and Smith, I am taking Smith every day of the week and twice on Sunday because not only has he been the better all around player but offers the most upside.

 

 

57 minutes ago, just relax said:

Could be true. With such a large number of picks next year, he can look long term with that draft class. I can't see McDonald, though, but I am draft challenged and always have  been.

Outside of Anderson and Wilson who I believe are gone before either of our picks, I rank the R1 to early R2ish edge prospects as so:

1. Myles Murphy

2. Nolan Smith

3. Isaiah Foskey

4. Keion White

5. Derick Hall

6. Felix Anudike-Uzomah

7. Will McDonald

8. Adetomiwa Adebawore

9. Tuli Tuipulotu

10. BJ Ojulari

They have only visited from what I've seen with Smith and Ojulari. At 10 on this list I'd only be interested in Murphy and Smith. At 30, I'd be interested in Foskey, Adeboware, Anudike-Uzomah, White.

3 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

But do the bigger DE's Miles Murphy or Lukas Van Ness really get you excited at 10?  Murphy wasn't that great last year but there are rumors he might have been injures. On tape, you just  don't see the freak athlete that everyone says he is. 

Van Ness is a one trick pony with only a bull rush and not much else.  

Given the choice between those 2 and Smith, I am taking Smith every day of the week and twice on Sunday because not only has he been the better all around player but offers the most upside.

 

 

Murphy's pro day was really really good. I'd be happy with him at 10. Especially over Van Ness.

30 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Would that be considered "Whiteface"?

6 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

But do the bigger DE's Miles Murphy or Lukas Van Ness really get you excited at 10?  Murphy wasn't that great last year but there are rumors he might have been injures. On tape, you just  don't see the freak athlete that everyone says he is. 

Van Ness is a one trick pony with only a bull rush and not much else.  

Given the choice between those 2 and Smith, I am taking Smith every day of the week and twice on Sunday because not only has he been the better all around player but offers the most upside.

 

 

No idea what you're talking about.

Murphy has 36.5 TFL and 18.5 sacks in 35 college games

Nolan Smith has 20.0 TFL and 12.5 sacks in 38 college games.

If the Eagles have to stay at 10 I think they're going to go OT. They value the position so damn much and I don't think there's going to be an edge rusher they love enough there to take priority over OT. That said, I still think trading up or down is most likely. Don't think they stay at 10.

8 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Outside of Anderson and Wilson who I believe are gone before either of our picks, I rank the R1 to early R2ish edge prospects as so:

1. Myles Murphy

2. Nolan Smith

3. Isaiah Foskey

4. Keion White

5. Derick Hall

6. Felix Anudike-Uzomah

7. Will McDonald

8. Adetomiwa Adebawore

9. Tuli Tuipulotu

10. BJ Ojulari

They have only visited from what I've seen with Smith and Ojulari. At 10 on this list I'd only be interested in Murphy and Smith. At 30, I'd be interested in Foskey, Adeboware, Anudike-Uzomah, White.

Glad to see you have Foskey high up there; he looks like a productive and smart player to me.  He's also a year-and-a-half younger than Will McDonald, who is another productive EDGE.  It's actually a pretty deep edge class 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Whoa. 

Sounds wild but also,  with guaranteed contacts,  it's a sensible compromise.

If players get everything guaranteed,  the owners should be given all the information possible before entering an agreement with them. 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If the Eagles have to stay at 10 I think they're going to go OT. They value the position so damn much and I don't think there's going to be an edge rusher they love enough there to take priority over OT. That said, I still think trading up or down is most likely. Don't think they stay at 10.

This is an interesting statement.  I'm not saying you're flat wrong, but I think they value EDGE at the top of the draft higher than they value OT.

They've made mistakes at both positions in the draft.  Barnett was a forced pick at #14 when there were better options staring them in the face, and Dillard was a trade up to #22 where they were surprised he was still on the board and may not have realized why he was sliding.