Just now, Alphagrand said:

This is an interesting statement.  I'm not saying you're flat wrong, but I think they value EDGE at the top of the draft higher than they value OT.

They've made mistakes at both positions in the draft.  Barnett was a forced pick at #14 when there were better options staring them in the face, and Dillard was a trade up to #22 where they were surprised he was still on the board and may not have realized why he was sliding.

Generally they might, but their pass rush is already really good, could still sign a guy like Ngakoue for depth in free agency, and I think the fact that the Eagles have not even signed a depth OT in free agency after losing two key linemen is pretty telling to me that they expect to address it early. Also, I think the Lane scare in the playoffs was probably a waking up moment for them that if they lose Lane for a stretch next season they're in trouble. Plus preparing his heir apparent.

But if they view a guy like Smith as the next Reddick I could see them taking him. Not sure they would though.

Drafting a 3rd OT at 10 would just be silly.  It would almost be like the Eagles trying to be charicatures of themselves.  

I get it, we value OL, but we have two starting tackles for at least a couple years and have one of the best OL coaches around.  

K.I.S.S. and draft the best defensive player on the board at 10.  Play games with 30 if you must.

Wild how much work they put into it to whittle it down to that. The Pats have a draft board around 75 players. 

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Generally they might, but their pass rush is already really good, could still sign a guy like Ngakoue for depth in free agency, and I think the fact that the Eagles have not even signed a depth OT in free agency after losing two key linemen is pretty telling to me that they expect to address it early. Also, I think the Lane scare in the playoffs was probably a waking up moment for them that if they lose Lane for a stretch next season they're in trouble. Plus preparing his heir apparent.

But if they view a guy like Smith as the next Reddick I could see them taking him. Not sure they would though.

If they stay at 10, I can't really see them burning that pick on a red-shirt offensive lineman who would see zero playing time in his rookie season as a best case scenario. And then if Lane continues to play after next season, that's two years where you don't have a top 10 pick seeing the starting lineup. I get the need for OT depth, but I don't know if you want to burn the 10th pick on that. 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

No idea what you're talking about.

Murphy has 36.5 TFL and 18.5 sacks in 35 college games

Nolan Smith has 20.0 TFL and 12.5 sacks in 38 college games.

Watch Smith and Murphy back to back then you will have an idea what I am talking about.  

Smith didn't really start games until 2021 so games played aren't an apples to apples comparison.  He played in a backup role his first 2 years.  Had a great '21 and was off to a great '22 until he suffered a torn pec.

Murphy had a great '21 but regressed in '22. He is a straight line power rusher that lacks bend.

Murphy will be a good NFL player but Smith has a chance to be great.  

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Wild how much work they put into it to whittle it down to that. The Pats have a draft board around 75 players. 

If they screw up at #1 I'm not sure how much the rest of it will matter.

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

Watch Smith and Murphy back to back then you will have an idea what I am talking about.  

Smith didn't really start games until 2021 so games played aren't an apples to apples comparison.  He played in a backup role his first 2 years.  Had a great '21 and was off to a great '22 until he suffered a torn pec.

Murphy had a great '21 but regressed in '22. He is a straight line power rusher that lacks bend.

Murphy will be a good NFL player but Smith has a chance to be great.  

Nolan Smith plays too small to be an Edge at the NFL level.  There's a better probability he's an off-ball LB than a great Edge IMO.  Murphy is the better DL prospect.

If there is any year that you just go with BPA, or if you don't like what you see you trade down, this is it.

5 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If they stay at 10, I can't really see them burning that pick on a red-shirt offensive lineman who would see zero playing time in his rookie season as a best case scenario. And then if Lane continues to play after next season, that's two years where you don't have a top 10 pick seeing the starting lineup. I get the need for OT depth, but I don't know if you want to burn the 10th pick on that. 

I think Skoronski or Paris Johnson would both potentially start at RG. But I think the Eagles will view the 10th pick as a future foundational piece. They rarely pick in the top 10. If that foundational piece is a defensive player, then so much the better, but the Eagles value OT a lot and I think they could view this as a gift to get a stud OT where if they're picking in the 20s or 30s for the next several years like they hope, getting that stud OT to replace Lane down the road will be difficult.

28 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Glad to see you have Foskey high up there; he looks like a productive and smart player to me.  He's also a year-and-a-half younger than Will McDonald, who is another productive EDGE.  It's actually a pretty deep edge class 

I like Foskey a lot. He'd be my top choice of EDGE players at 30 if Murphy and Smith are gone. McDonald and White are both pretty good but as you said, are older. Adeboware intrigues me too as does Uzomah.

21 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Drafting a 3rd OT at 10 would just be silly.  It would almost be like the Eagles trying to be charicatures of themselves.  

I get it, we value OL, but we have two starting tackles for at least a couple years and have one of the best OL coaches around.  

K.I.S.S. and draft the best defensive player on the board at 10.  Play games with 30 if you must.

At 30 you have Harrison from OU, Dawand Jones from OSU, etc. There are other OT options outside of the top 3 in the 10-15 range for sure.

Traded 10 for 82, White, TB 2024 1st, TB 2024 3rd then a couple other smaller positional trades.

17 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Watch Smith and Murphy back to back then you will have an idea what I am talking about.  

Smith didn't really start games until 2021 so games played aren't an apples to apples comparison.  He played in a backup role his first 2 years.  Had a great '21 and was off to a great '22 until he suffered a torn pec.

Murphy had a great '21 but regressed in '22. He is a straight line power rusher that lacks bend.

Murphy will be a good NFL player but Smith has a chance to be great.  

I think this is spot on. He has great testing numbers, and can change direction, but he doesn’t play with great bend when trying to turn the corner. I don’t see him as a team’s No. 1 pass rusher, but he should be a good player. I would not be happy with him at 10. 

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Traded 10 for 82, White, TB 2024 1st, TB 2024 3rd then a couple other smaller positional trades.

-7 Howies.  There's no way this team should trade for Devin White who wants a new contract to be the highest paid LB in the League.  Notre Dame players suck as pros especially when the Eagles pick them in the 2nd round. 

I would be pumped with this draft.

1st Schrager and now McShay. The odds for the Eagles to pick Robinson keep getting better according to Vegas. There is a lot of smoke.

29 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If they stay at 10, I can't really see them burning that pick on a red-shirt offensive lineman who would see zero playing time in his rookie season as a best case scenario. And then if Lane continues to play after next season, that's two years where you don't have a top 10 pick seeing the starting lineup. I get the need for OT depth, but I don't know if you want to burn the 10th pick on that. 

My guess is that Howie does not view the pick and use of it the same way.  OT is a premium position in the League where even mediocre players get big money deals.  The Eagles do not expect to be in this high of a spot to draft in the next few years.  They need to replace Lane, eventually, with the best talent available to them.  Getting a player with great measurables and talent at OT is worth it at 10 because the cost to develop and keep that player at a lower cost long term are better than trying to replace OT with a lower first round pick in future years.  Jack Driscoll has been a mediocre back up OT that can be upgraded.  In 2021, Lane missed significant starts as did other starters.  2020 was devastated by injuries.  Accordingly, the look at O-line as more of a rotational player vs a back up.  Moreover, any player picked at 10 is not a locked in starter and is playing in a rotational role.  It's possible he's not a starter for the next 2 seasons but it's more likely that he will get plenty of playing time.  

4 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I would be pumped with this draft.

1st Schrager and now McShay. The odds for the Eagles to pick Robinson keep getting better according to Vegas. There is a lot of smoke.

Someone will need to do a welfare check on Howard Eskin's house if the Eagles draft Robinson at #10.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

Yup. Oddly, this makes it easier to trade down. If there are only 8 players with 1st round grades, and he's there at 10, a team has to trade up for him or only acquire 2nd round players.

Not a strong draft nor a deep draft.  I expect Howie to maximize value above all other aspects (read that as consider trades for future assets). 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

 

Surprised the Steelers would even bother when they can draft WRs better than anyone else.

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Surprised the Steelers would even bother when they can draft WRs better than anyone else.

Maybe it's like pick 80 and Robinson for pick 77.  Essentially a cap dump

6 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I would be pumped with this draft.

1st Schrager and now McShay. The odds for the Eagles to pick Robinson keep getting better according to Vegas. There is a lot of smoke.

I can't see them taking him at 10.  I could see a trade down but I just don't see them sitting there and taking him.  I think there's definitely something to it but McShay isn't as connected as Schrager.  Schrager had the Eagles trading up for Jameson Williams and taking Jordan Davis at 15.  I think we know that Williams was on their board.  He also had them trading up for Surtain in 21.  Kempski said that the Eagles preferred Surtain and Horn over Smith.  I am not sure that any of this means anything at this point.  The Eagles could have Bijan as the top player on their board at 10 and pass over him because of positional value.  

5 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Maybe it's like pick 80 and Robinson for pick 77.  Essentially a cap dump

Rams are paying some of the money to facilitate the trade. They just want him off their books and will probably get a day 3 pick.

16 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Not a strong draft nor a deep draft.  I expect Howie to maximize value above all other aspects (read that as consider trades for future assets). 

Kempski (your fav) talked about the Marcus Smith draft being a sort of watershed moment for Howie.  They were sitting at 22 with 6 picks ahead of them and 6 players they liked.  They just planned to sit and let the BPA fall to them.  Then they were all gone.  Since that time Howie has pretty aggressively traded up when there was a player he liked.  I think there's a good chance that he trades up in this draft. The Colts at 4 could be a good bet if QBs go in the top 3.  They could get the 4th QB at 10 as long as the other teams do not trade back.  

The Eagles are not taking Robinson, it's insane people actually think it's a possibility.

23 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

So that will leave the rams with what, 8 players under contract now?