2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Really liking the idea of Hyatt in the Eagles offense if he lasts to day 2.

That trade up for Lance is looking dumber by the day I thought it was dumb when they made it then and it looks even worse now. That said, what could they even get for him? A 2nd rounder? They gave up three 1sts and a 3rd for him. Not even getting to see if you can develop him seems pretty dumb. He hasn’t even played a full season. He played only like 2 or 3 games last year before he got hurt.

They are lucky they have been a good team for several years. If they had been bad or average and make a move like that giving up all those picks and then deciding he isn't good enough that could cost Lynch his GM job.  Huge waste if they do end up trading him.

5 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Cousins to SF is a pretty good bet.  SF needs a placeholder QB, Cousins is a good replacement on a 1 year deal.  Minny might part with Cousins for cheap, too.

Actually, if I'm playing fantasy GM:

Vikings get: Trey Lance

9ers get: Kirk Cousins, 2023 3rd round pick, 2024 2rd round pick / conditional 1st

Not sure Minnesota makes that move pre-June 1st. It’s a 38 mil dead money and a 18.5 mil cap hit. They do it post June 1st it becomes 10 mil dead money and 10 mil cap savings. That said the Vikings only have 5 picks in this draft so they could use them. Not sure they are willing to eat $18.5 mil in cap space to acquire them but maybe if they think trey lance can be their future 

i still think if the jets don’t get a deal done before the draft that niners come into play with rodgers cause at that point doesn’t make sense for the packers to deal him before June 1st. Financially makes way more sense for the packers to deal rodgers after June 1st as it’s $40 mil dead money and 8 mil cap hit before June 1st and after it’s  $15.8 mil dead money but also save 15.7 mil against the cap. At that point packers would receive 2024 picks. Jets don’t want to part with a 2024 first. I tend to think the niners would make that move with the roster they have and their window.   

6 hours ago, mattwill said:

Chris Canty today on ESPN listed his Top 5 O-linemen as follows:

5. O’Cyrus Torrance

4. Peter Skoronski

3. Paris Johnson

2. Broderick Jones

1. Darnell Wright

i realize it is one person’s opinion, but don’t you have to add Wright to your Johnson Jones Skoronski trio?

I saw another one a few days ago with him #1 and guy said he sees Wright as All-Pro within 3 years

54 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Wow that Maine RB is very intriguing. I need to try to find out more. 

9 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I believe the betting favorite is Bryce Young.  He is a big favorite to go #1.  These gambling sites probably have some inside information and know what teams have been thinking.

I know I'd take him if I was Carolina. 

At 5'10 and 190 pounds?  Spending two firsts, two seconds, and DJ Moore for Young should be a fireable offense by Fitterer.  

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Wow that Maine RB is very intriguing. I need to try to find out more. 

 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

At 5'10 and 190 pounds?  Spending two firsts, two seconds, and DJ Moore for Young should be a fireable offense by Fitterer.  

I’m not in love with any of the Qb prospects but I tend to think Carolina did move up for young. Personally i rather take my chances on stroud. I think he winds up being the best Qb of the 4.  Richardson is gonna either make someone look like a genius or get them fired. Like if reid or daboll (who helped develop josh Allen and made Daniel jones at least look better and be competent week to week) took Richardson I’d feel better about his chances to succeed and hit his ceiling. However i can totally see a team like the raiders or titans taking him and i don’t see that panning out well. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not in love with any of the Qb prospects but I tend to think Carolina did move up for young. Personally i rather take my chances on stroud. I think he winds up being the best Qb of the 4.  Richardson is gonna either make someone look like a genius or get them fired. Like if reid or daboll (who helped develop josh Allen and made Daniel jones at least look better and be competent week to week) took Richardson I’d feel better about his chances to succeed and hit his ceiling. However i can totally see a team like the raiders or titans taking him and i don’t see that panning out well. 

Carolina picked a bad year to move up for a QB.  As far as "prospects" go, Stroud is the best of the top 4 in terms of ability, pro readiness, etc., but it's hard to ignore that Mike Tomczak had the best NFL career out of any Ohio State QB in their history.  It's simply a program that hasn't been able to develop pro quarterbacks.

Alabama had pretty dismal success as well until recently.  Tua, Hurts, and Mac Jones are all recent Alabama alum who have been drafted high.  Hurts has been the best of them so far, but both he and Tua have developed in large part due to their organizations stacking talent around them.  Tua was highly touted (to put it mildly) even though he wasn't fast, wasn't big, didn't have a cannon arm -- his stock and trade was his accuracy.  Mac Jones was bound to be ruined by the Pats organization and their nonsensical decision to bring in Joe Judge and Matt Patricia to develop him.  Anyone could see that failure coming from a mile away.  Not sure his career will be able to rebound at this point, even with them bringing in BOB to coach him.

Young is another guy who isn't big (he's small), isn't fast, doesn't have a plus-arm -- his stock and trade is apparently his accuracy and his "football sense".  That's not gonna help his body stand up to the 310-pound DL hitting him 5-10 times per game, and if he doesn't have a stacked roster he's going to get hit a lot for the first couple of years.  From what I've seen he likes to hold the ball and scramble until something develops; I can't see him being able to hold up physically long enough for the roster to help him out.

For me, it's going to be quite interesting to see where Hendon Hooker lands.  If he's picked late in the first round by a team with a good roster, where he's not thrown to the wolves right away, I think he'll end up being the best QB out of this draft class.  

18 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Wow that Maine RB is very intriguing. I need to try to find out more. 

While we're talking about CAA guys and local visit guys for the Eagles, Delaware LB Johnny Buchanan is a guy I'd love for them to bring in either in the late rounds or UDFA.  Guy is a tackling machine and had a very explosive pro day.  At 5-11, 230, he ran 4.5, had 22 reps of 225, 10'7" broad and a 40 inch vertical.  Had multiple games over 20 tackles last year and was a 4 year starter.  He's been a treat to watch at UD.  I didn't get my Nasir Adderley wish due to his retirement but Buchanan would be a nice addition.

 

 

Just now, bpac55 said:

While we're talking about CAA guys and local visit guys for the Eagles, Delaware LB Johnny Buchanan is a guy I'd love for them to bring in either in the late rounds or UDFA.  Guy is a tackling machine and had a very explosive pro day.  At 5-11, 230, he ran 4.5, had 22 reps of 225, 10'7" broad and a 40 inch vertical.  Had multiple games over 20 tackles last year and was a 4 year starter.  He's been a treat to watch at UD.  I didn't get my Nasir Adderley wish due to his retirement but Buchanan would be a nice addition.

 

 

I saw the name and thought that just sounds like a football player.  I'm in. 

21 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

 

Just looked at a few minutes on my phone at work.  So far not too impressed.  Have to watch more at home on the computer. 

Why did we even draft Jurgens then?  We can't keep wasting top picks on OL who may never see the field.  Kelce might not want to retire after next year either.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Okay, I'm officially "out" on Skoronski, then.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Why did we even draft Jurgens then?  We can't keep wasting top picks on OL who may never see the field.  Kelce might not want to retire after next year either.

Depth?

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Carolina picked a bad year to move up for a QB.  As far as "prospects" go, Stroud is the best of the top 4 in terms of ability, pro readiness, etc., but it's hard to ignore that Mike Tomczak had the best NFL career out of any Ohio State QB in their history.  It's simply a program that hasn't been able to develop pro quarterbacks.

Alabama had pretty dismal success as well until recently.  Tua, Hurts, and Mac Jones are all recent Alabama alum who have been drafted high.  Hurts has been the best of them so far, but both he and Tua have developed in large part due to their organizations stacking talent around them.  Tua was highly touted (to put it mildly) even though he wasn't fast, wasn't big, didn't have a cannon arm -- his stock and trade was his accuracy.  Mac Jones was bound to be ruined by the Pats organization and their nonsensical decision to bring in Joe Judge and Matt Patricia to develop him.  Anyone could see that failure coming from a mile away.  Not sure his career will be able to rebound at this point, even with them bringing in BOB to coach him.

Young is another guy who isn't big (he's small), isn't fast, doesn't have a plus-arm -- his stock and trade is apparently his accuracy and his "football sense".  That's not gonna help his body stand up to the 310-pound DL hitting him 5-10 times per game, and if he doesn't have a stacked roster he's going to get hit a lot for the first couple of years.  From what I've seen he likes to hold the ball and scramble until something develops; I can't see him being able to hold up physically long enough for the roster to help him out.

For me, it's going to be quite interesting to see where Hendon Hooker lands.  If he's picked late in the first round by a team with a good roster, where he's not thrown to the wolves right away, I think he'll end up being the best QB out of this draft class.  

I actually like stroud more than some of the more recent QBs taken out of Ohio state. I get every prospect is different but the fact Ohio state QBs have struggled to have one guy make the leap from great college Qb to great NFL does concern me. my other concerned is what does stroud look like when he doesn’t have first round talent at WR. Having Harrison, olave and JSN (2021) and Wilson makes his job much easier to look great at OSU. Don’t get me wrong he looked the part but that’s some great talent he’s got to throw to his entire career. 

I thought the Bears got the better end of that deal when it was made. DJ moore has 8 different starting QBs in 5 years and never in college or nfl had the same Qb for 2 full seasons. Yet he’s been super productive. Add on the picks they got.  I don’t think any of these quarterbacks were worth trading up from 9 to 1 and giving up what they had to give up. The bears may very well end up with another top 10 pick in 2024 cause i don’t see Bruce Young coming into the league and taking it by storm. especially cause i don’t really think Carolina’s offense is all that great. I think overall the saints and falcons actually have better constructed rosters but comes down to carr and Ridder. Carolina has a below average oline, sanders is solid but besides this year gets banged up. their best Wr is thielen who is out of his prime or chark who is solid. Can add in the draft but i don’t think this WR class is all that great and who knows if they end up with one that can be a hit immediately. 

I see someone trading up into the end of the first round to get him that misses out on the top 4 QBs. If titans aren’t able to get one of those 4, i could see them jumping from 41 back into the first to snag him 

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Depth?

With pick #10?  IMO its a total waste in todays NFL. 

Id think we literally just learned that lesson with Dillard.  We really didnt get anywhere close to the value out of that pick that we should have, on the field or off.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

With pick #10?  IMO its a total waste in todays NFL. 

Id think we literally just learned that lesson with Dillard.  We really didnt get anywhere close to the value out of that pick that we should have, on the field or off.

Pretty sure he was talking about Jurgens.

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Depth?

Call it a bold prediction but if the eagles draft skoronski at 10 then i think he’s your starting RG for week 1. I think there would be competition between skoronski and jurgens for RG. I tend to think the eagles believe jurgens can play RG but i also think they aren’t gonna come out and say we have to play jurgens at RG cause our only other option is Driscoll at the moment.  i don’t think they believe Driscoll has shown enough to be a starter when he’s played or stayed healthy enough to be counted on in that role. 

3 minutes ago, Eagz said:

Pretty sure he was talking about Jurgens.

Ah ok, my mistake then. 

I guess my answer to that would be: I sure hope not.

As we all know Kelce himself basically hand-picked Jurgens as his replacement and it sounds like he was pounding the table for him.  So I think they had a pretty clear plan for Jurgens on the field, and Id imagine that includes him sliding in for Seumalo this year. 

But maybe Im wrong and they want Jurgens and #10 draft pick TBD to compete for the Guard spot.  Just seems like a waste of resources with other need3s staring us in the face.  

And again, the Stoutland factor shouldnt be discounted.  We shouldnt need ready-made blue chip OLman without an immediate spot for them on the field.

57 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

At 5'10 and 190 pounds?  Spending two firsts, two seconds, and DJ Moore for Young should be a fireable offense by Fitterer.  

If he ends up being a bust then yes.  

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Call it a bold prediction but if the eagles draft skoronski at 10 then i think he’s your starting RG for week 1. I think there would be competition between skoronski and jurgens for RG. I tend to think the eagles believe jurgens can play RG but i also think they aren’t gonna come out and say we have to play jurgens at RG cause our only other option is Driscoll at the moment.  i don’t think they believe Driscoll has shown enough to be a starter when he’s played or stayed healthy enough to be counted on in that role. 

Pat Kirwan did an exercise yesterday where he counted the number of draft prospects he felt could start Year 1 and measured it against the number of teams he felt needed a starter at that position group.  I didn't hear him talk about OL, but he did say:

EDGE -- 21 teams that need edge rusher, and he counted 15 EDGE prospects available in the draft who could start Year 1

CB -- 20 teams that need a starting CB, and he counted 16 CBs available in the draft capable of starting Year 1

 

I think the Eagles will stick to their position group philosophy early in this draft, and the two first round picks (if made) will be DL and OL.  They may feel they can get a CB at the end of Round 2.  

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Pat Kirwan did an exercise yesterday where he counted the number of draft prospects he felt could start Year 1 and measured it against the number of teams he felt needed a starter at that position group.  I didn't hear him talk about OL, but he did say:

EDGE -- 21 teams that need edge rusher, and he counted 15 EDGE prospects available in the draft who could start Year 1

CB -- 20 teams that need a starting CB, and he counted 16 CBs available in the draft capable of starting Year 1

 

I think the Eagles will stick to their position group philosophy early in this draft, and the two first round picks (if made) will be DL and OL.  They may feel they can get a CB at the end of Round 2.  

I think the name to watch out for day 2/3 at corner is Garrett Williams of Syracuse. Having bradberry and slay here for another 2 years they don’t need him to play right away and he’s coming off an ACL in October. He’s is/was really talented and he’s likely going to fall to the third or 4th round. Not sure if the whole Sidney jones situation will scare the eagles off though. 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/garrett-williams/32005749-4c29-2135-4337-7403b68fd2b1

 

Can’t wait for draymond on the sideline before game 3 trying to intimidate the kings