9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

All good points on Robinson, plus I'll add that the Eagles are very familiar with playing against Zeke Elliott, who was a top draft pick RB.  I don't know how the Eagles view Zeke Elliott, whether he was a pain to game plan for, play against, etc., but it's possible the Eagles could place value in having a top RB to give defenses something else they need to prepare for.  In his 12 career games against the Eagles, Elliott has career stats of:

233 carries for 1,107 yards = 4.8 yards per rush and 49 catches for 357 yards = 7.3 yards per catch

 

The most compelling argument I heard recently on one of the shows was drafting Bijan with the aim of keeping him for 3-4 years (RB prime) and then trading him to recoup a large portion of the original draft value.  While I'm sure any top-end RB will be productive here, the assumption he'll get to a CMAC level is likely a 50/50 prop without factoring in injuries.

47 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. 6 games for betting on say an NBA game when someone who beats up a girl would get likely the same. It's absurd.

Especially when owners are partnering with betting sites and have bettting opportunities at the stadiums. 

 

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

So we can still tradeback ahead of the break... nice.

51 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. 6 games for betting on say an NBA game when someone who beats up a girl would get likely the same. It's absurd.

So is the issue that they bet on college games or that they bet on college games while at an NFL facility? If it's the latter, then I get the suspension. If they don't want you placing wagers in an NFL facility I get that. But if it's just for betting on college games, that doesn't make sense. It sounds like the suspension is stemming from that they were on NFL facility grounds making the wagers. 

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I just finished being busy winning

9.5 out of 10 Howies - Thanks for jinxing the possibility of getting any of the players in the draft.  

7 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The most compelling argument I heard recently on one of the shows was drafting Bijan with the aim of keeping him for 3-4 years (RB prime) and then trading him to recoup a large portion of the original draft value.  While I'm sure any top-end RB will be productive here, the assumption he'll get to a CMAC level is likely a 50/50 prop without factoring in injuries.

The question really comes down to would you rather have a blue-chip OL/DL prospect at 10 whether that be Carter, Skoronski, Smith, or Johnson who could potentially give you 10 years of great play as a best case scenario. And then taking a guy like Gibbs at 30 if he's available to fill the RB need. Or would you rather have 3-4 really good years out of Robinson. I would rather have scenario one. 

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Especially when owners are partnering with betting sites and have bettting opportunities at the stadiums. 

It's a big issue.  You have to also wonder what  opportunities players have to bet by proxy through friends or family.  I mean the financial consequences for losing their jobs is much greater than any payoff gambling.  I don't think you will see a Black Sox scandal in the NFL.  It is a real problem.  

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The question really comes down to would you rather have a blue-chip OL/DL prospect at 10 whether that be Carter, Skoronski, Smith, or Johnson who could potentially give you 10 years of great play as a best case scenario. And then taking a guy like Gibbs at 30 if he's available to fill the RB need. Or would you rather have 3-4 really good years out of Robinson. I would rather have scenario one. 

I don't think they'll take Gibbs but play that out without Carter.

Would you rather Nolan Smith/Van Ness/Murphy & Gibbs or Bijan & Will McDonald/AA/Mazi Smith?

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The question really comes down to would you rather have a blue-chip OL/DL prospect at 10 whether that be Carter, Skoronski, Smith, or Johnson who could potentially give you 10 years of great play as a best case scenario. And then taking a guy like Gibbs at 30 if he's available to fill the RB need. Or would you rather have 3-4 really good years out of Robinson. I would rather have scenario one. 

Agreed - longterm it's a good decision for estate planning, short-term I'm more concerned by the season being derailed by an injury to a key player than missing the opportunity to squeeze the absolute most out of the RB position. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

The odds of multiple HoF / HoVG players falling outside that 17 are pretty big.

The Colts are not experts at anything AFAIK.

1 hour ago, Godfather said:

Ready for the Eagles to draft Bjay Robinson? 

People are back to liking Howie so he’s due to have a couple bad drafts so we can get back to hating him 

8 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

So is the issue that they bet on college games or that they bet on college games while at an NFL facility? If it's the latter, then I get the suspension. If they don't want you placing wagers in an NFL facility I get that. But if it's just for betting on college games, that doesn't make sense. It sounds like the suspension is stemming from that they were on NFL facility grounds making the wagers. 

They were at the team facility placing bets. It seems Campbell doesn't have a tight ship if 4 players got suspended as well as "Separate from these punishments, several Lions staff members in various departments were dismissed last month for violating the gambling policy, a source told ESPN."

 

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

With a roster as bad as theirs that's understandable.

I love how the Lions are everyone’s favorite dark horse going into this season. They’re the F’in Lions… they will implode and the implosion started before the draft. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They were at the team facility placing bets. It seems Campbell doesn't have a tight ship if 4 players got suspended as well as "Separate from these punishments, several Lions staff members in various departments were dismissed last month for violating the gambling policy, a source told ESPN."

 

This would go above Campbell and become a Brad Holmes thing, IMO.

7 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The question really comes down to would you rather have a blue-chip OL/DL prospect at 10 whether that be Carter, Skoronski, Smith, or Johnson who could potentially give you 10 years of great play as a best case scenario. And then taking a guy like Gibbs at 30 if he's available to fill the RB need. Or would you rather have 3-4 really good years out of Robinson. I would rather have scenario one. 

I would argue that Robinson does not guarantee any improvement in the offense even if he is much better than any RB on the team. A solid back up for Lane or any other starter, provides better protection that the run game remains effective next season. Robinson or any other RB won't do well behind a bad o-line.  

18 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The most compelling argument I heard recently on one of the shows was drafting Bijan with the aim of keeping him for 3-4 years (RB prime) and then trading him to recoup a large portion of the original draft value.  While I'm sure any top-end RB will be productive here, the assumption he'll get to a CMAC level is likely a 50/50 prop without factoring in injuries.

No team is giving up first round picks for RB’s nowadays.  Not sure why that would "magically” change in 3 years. 

The NFL has always been clear and upfront with players about gambling.

Suspensions have been going on since Heisman winner and1962 NFL MVP "Golden Boy" Paul Hornig and "Candy-gram for Mongo" Alex Karras were suspended in the mid 60's

When Fantasy Football got big they made explicit and detailed rules about how they can participate  (no prize above 100 or something like that)

These guys all got suspended for being morons who cant follow basic rules. Here is the 2018 version.

https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2018 Policies/2018 Gambling Policy - FINAL.pdf

If you fail to comprehend the clear and basic rules that all players have always agreed to then its on you. Its not a debate.

 

EDIT: Of course you can always have sad feelings about the rules but they are the rules and the players agreed to them.

3 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

The NFL has always been clear and upfront with players about gambling.

Suspensions have been going on since Heisman winner and1962 NFL MVP "Golden Boy" Paul Hornig and "Candy-gram for Mongo" Alex Karras were suspended in the mid 60's

When Fantasy Football got big they made explicit and detailed rules about how they can participate  (no prize above 100 or something like that)

These guys all got suspended for being morons who cant follow basic rules. Here is the 2018 version.

https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2018 Policies/2018 Gambling Policy - FINAL.pdf

If you fail to comprehend the clear and basic rules that all players have always agreed to then its on you. Its not a debate.

I think the problem is that gambling on sports is far more easily accessible now, because of various apps, that the temptation is greater.  There also a sense of being able to make the bets anonymously.  

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

No team is giving up first round picks for RB’s nowadays.  Not sure why that would "magically” change in 3 years. 

If you get Robinson's prime and then a 2nd+3rd+4th+5th on the backend without eating a contract, that's not bad.

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They were at the team facility placing bets. It seems Campbell doesn't have a tight ship if 4 players got suspended as well as "Separate from these punishments, several Lions staff members in various departments were dismissed last month for violating the gambling policy, a source told ESPN."

 

Campbell is too busy biting kneecaps I guess.  

I think this site has the best/most accurate player rankings.  Trades are a little funky though  - https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-draft-simulator

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

If you get Robinson's prime and then a 2nd+3rd+4th+5th on the backend without eating a contract, that's not bad.

There's no way that the Eagles would draft a player with the idea that you could trade him.  Also, you're talking about trading him on his 5th year option or after an extension which means either his salary would be too high for a team to trade for him or the Eagles would be absorbing a big dead cap hit.  

14 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I would argue that Robinson does not guarantee any improvement in the offense even if he is much better than any RB on the team. A solid back up for Lane or any other starter, provides better protection that the run game remains effective next season. Robinson or any other RB won't do well behind a bad o-line.  

That's another fair point to bring up. I wasn't Miles' biggest fan but he had a very strong season last year running for almost 1300 yards and 11 TDs. He was a good player for them for the most part. What's the incremental impact of taking Robinson at 10 to try to best Miles' numbers from last season? I can't see him doing much better than that, even though I understand you're hoping for a 4-5 year run from him. But it's still a short-term pick in the grand scheme of things compared to the longevity you can get out of a good OL/DL. 

I'm still going off of Howie's track record and the tendencies he has shown us for years. He does not value the running back position. He will always choose to go with one of the lines over a running back. The offensive line on paper should be just as strong as it was last year. With that logic, it makes zero sense to take a RB at 10 and neglect a bigger need. A guy like Jalen Carter or pairing Nolan Smith with Reddick is much more appealing in my opinion.